This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bruce, Hall Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XOG.2ACIB/1313 Message Board Post: I have very limited information but maybe someone will recogize and help me out with additional information. http://www.geocities.com/a_bit_2curious/bruce

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XOG.2ACIB/1297.3 Message Board Post: Would you by any chance have any information on Airth Castle in your research. I am a descendant of the Airth's of Airth Castle in Scotland and am trying to make the connect. I found out that a Edward Bruce fo Airth married a Agnes Airth who had inherited the land of Airth Castle from her father, William Airth sometime before or during the 1400's. Any information you could share with me would be greatly appreciated. Jennifer

I've got to say, I'm really enjoying this tread. Very beneficial. Terry Foxcroft Husband of a Bruce (whose family claim to be decendents - don't know how though!) Khancoban Australia ----- Original Message ----- So, does anyone know if there are any recognized descendents of Robert the Bruce today, with either the Stewart or Bruce surname?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XOG.2ACIB/1271.1 Message Board Post: Hi Rosemary! My computer is still in for repairs but I had to let you know that I found James on the Immigration records!!! Arrived in Quebec City, Aug16, 1922 with his father, Alfred and his mother, Mary. They were going to Brookdale, Manitoba to join Mary's brother to work on the farm!!!! I will snail mail you all the information that I found right away. They must have moved to Kingston later. I'll write as soon as computer working again. Cheers, Jane

My looking said he only had daughters - ligitimate ones anyway. My wife is a Bruce and she found out that it was common for a Scotsman to take his wife's last name if it was Bruce as it was a desirable surname. Which, of course, makes researching just that bit harder. Terry Foxcroft Khancoban Australia ----- Original Message ----- I have a question? Which of Roberts male children carry down the line with the name of Bruce? Who came to America? Thanks, Debbie

So, does anyone know if there are any recognized descendents of Robert the Bruce today, with either the Stewart or Bruce surname? Linda

G'day, None that I know of. What is most likely, I understand, is that as surnames developed, (as opposed to titles,) people under the patronage, serfdom , tenent farmers etc. often took as their surname that of the Lord or Laird the were woking for. Hence the names of houses such as Neville, Godfrey, and so on. It didn't seem to strech to dukedoms though. People called York, or Norfolk are more likely to have been from those counties. It's rather like people calle King, or Prince or Pope etc. They are more than likely to have been descended from the regular player of such a part in the medieval mystery plays than from an actual king, pope, priest or saint. Rowland Bruce Rowland BRUCE. Adelaide, Australia. [BRUCE 2000 TO 1700, {Rowland John=NELSON**, Rowland Cyril=BROOK(E), Rowland=KAYE, Thomas = (1)NEWSOME, Samuel=INESON, Thomas =KITSON, John(jnr) =PRESTON, John (snr) =(2)FLETCHER ie eight generations] Surname of ancestors via female lines WHITWELL**, DYSON, HAMMOND*, ATKINSON, SYKES, TAYLOR, GILBERT*, DOWMAN*, BELLWOOD**, WILLANS, IBBERSON, HIRST, WALKER, RAMPOLDI*, ARMSTRONG*, COLLEY**, KITSON, LEE, CROWTHER, RICHARDSON*, ISLE*, WALKER*, BROOK, CHADWICK, THURMAN, AINSLEY, DODSON, ELINGWORTH, WESTERMAN. * = LINCOLNSHIRE, ** = NRY, AND THE REST ARE WRY AROUND HALIFAX. ----- Original Message ----- From: Debra Acevedo <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 1:34 PM Subject: Robert the Bruce > I have a question? Which of Roberts male children carry down the line with the name of Bruce? Who came to America? Thanks, Debbie > > > ==== BRUCE Mailing List ==== > Have you considered joining the Rootsweb Genealogical Data > Cooperative? > http://www.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi List: From various sources, such as biographies by Barrow, Scott, and MacKenzie plus other readings I have put together this list of his children. Debate or corrections are welcomed: Descendants of Robert "The Bruce" BRUCE King of SCOTLAND (many of the birth dates are estimated, death dates actual) 1 [2] Robert "The Bruce" BRUCE King of SCOTLAND b: 11 July 1274 in Turnbury Castle,on the Firth of Clyde, Scotland d: 7 June 1329 in Cardross, Dumbartonshire, Scotland military: 1314 defeated Edward II & English at Bannockburn Age at first Marriage: 22 est. .. +Isabel of MAR b: Abt. 1274 d: Abt. 1297 Father: DONALD of MAR, 6th Earl of Mar Mother: HELEN ap LLYWELYN FAWR Age at first Marriage: 22 est. . 2 Marjory Bruce Princess of Scotland b: Abt. 1297 in Scotland d: 2 March 1315/16 in Fell from horse ..... +Walter High Steward of Scotland b: 1292 in Dundonald, Kyle, Aryshire, Scotland d: 9 April 1326 in Bathgate Castle, Westlothian, England Father: James Stewart High Steward of Scotland Mother: Cecilia of Dunbar .... 3 [1] Robert II Stewart King of Scotland b: 2 March 1315/16 in Paisley, Renfrewshire, Scotland d: 19 April 1390 in Dundonald Castle, Aryshire, Scotland ........ +Moira Leitch b: Abt. 1330 .... *2nd Wife of [1] Robert II Stewart King of Scotland: ........ +Marion Cardny b: Abt. 1320 .... *3rd Wife of [1] Robert II Stewart King of Scotland: ........ +Elizabeth Mure b: Abt. 1320 in Rowallan, Kilmarnock, Scotland d: 1355 Father: Adam (Mure) More Mother: Joanna Danzielstour Age at first Marriage: 27 est. .... *4th Wife of [1] Robert II Stewart King of Scotland: ........ +Euphemia Leslie, Countess of Moray b: Abt. 1340 Father: Hugh Leslie Earl of Ross Mother: Margaret Graham *2nd Wife of [2] Robert "The Bruce" BRUCE King of SCOTLAND: .. +Elizabeth de BURGH b: Abt. 1280 d: 26 October 1327 in Scotland Father: RICHARD (Red Earl) DE BURGH, 3rd Earl of Ulster Mother: MARGARET DE BURGO Age at first Marriage: 21 est. . 2 Margaret Bruce b: Abt. 1300 d: 1347 Age at first Marriage: 45 est. ..... +William de Sutherland, 4th Earl b: Abt. 1300 Age at first Marriage: 45 est. .... 3 John de Sutherland b: Abt. 1347 . 2 Matilda Bruce b: Aft. 1302 d: 12 July 1353 in Scotland ..... +Thomas de Isaac b: Abt. 1300 . 2 John Bruce b: Abt. 1320 d: October 1327 . 2 [3] David II Bruce King of Scotland b: 5 March 1322/23 in Dumfermline Palace, Fifeshire, Scotland d: 22 February 1369/70 in Edinburgh Castle, Scotland Miscellaneous: "dark & Druble days" as David undid much of good that his father did. Occupation: 24 November 1331 King of Scotland, Scone Abbey, Perthshire Age at first Marriage: 5 ..... +Joanna of the TOWER b: 5 July 1321 Father: EDWARD II Caernarfon PLANTAGENET King of England Mother: ISABELLA of ARAGON Princess of FRANCE Age at first Marriage: 7 . *2nd Wife of [3] David II Bruce King of Scotland: ..... +Margaret Drummond b: Abt. 1330 .. +Various Concubines of Robert the Bruce b: Abt. 1274 Age at first Marriage: 55 est. . 2 Neil (Nigel) Sir of Carrick Bruce b: Abt. 1300 d: 17 October 1346 in battle of Durham miscellaneous: rec'd 30 lbs yearly from the King . 2 Robert (Sir) (of Liddlesdale) Bruce b: Abt. 1300 d: 12 August 1332 in Battle of Dupplin, Scotland . 2 Walter of Odiston Bruce b: Aft. 1302 . 2 Christina Bruce b: Aft. 1302 in of Carrick, Scotland Miscellaneous: 1329 rec'd pension from the King . 2 Margaret Bruce b: Aft. 1302 d: Aft. 29 February 1363/64 ..... +Robert Glenn b: Abt. 1300 . 2 Elizabeth Bruce b: Aft. 1302 ..... +Walter (Sir) Oliphant b: Abt. 1300 in of Gask, Scotland Russell Bruce Boise, Idaho USA

At Friday, July 26, 2002 1:34 PM, Debbie wrote to BRUCE-D: > > I have a question? Which of Roberts male children carry down the line >with the name of Bruce? Who came to America? Thanks, Debbie > > > > After carefully re-reading "Scottish Kings" by Gordon Donaldson, Wiley & Sons, New York (1967), I conclude that King Robert had a male heir, David, who succeeded him to the throne of Scotland, but who had no heirs. King Robert also had a daughter, Marjory, who married Walter Stewart, and started the Stewart line of English/Scottish royalty. Undoubtedly some of their descendants came to America.

Robert de BRUCE (or BRUS), King Robert I of Scotland, was the father of a number of children, most illegitimate. His legitimate son David, by his second wife, Elizabeth de BURGH, became king after Robert's death, but left no legal heirs to the throne. Robert's daughter Marjorie, by his first wife, Isabel de Mar, m. Walter STEWART/STEWARD and was the foremother of the line of Scottish kings of the House of Stewart, starting with her son Robert II, and including Mary, Queen of Scots, and James VI who, after the death of Elizabeth I, inherited the English throne and became James I of England. Queen Elizabeth II has inherited the blood of The BRUCE through her mother, the late Queen Mother Elizabeth, daughter of the House of Bowes-Lyon. Fascinating stuff, eh? Carolyn HALE BRUCE Co-author of Rebel King, Hammer of the Scots See our site at www.Robert-de-Bruce.com about the Scottish Wars of Independence

I agree with an earlier posting regarding this: I believe that Robert the Bruce had one surviving daughter--Marjorie, who married Walter, the high steward. Marjorie and Walter's son--Robert the Bruce's grandson--became Robert II, the first king from the house of Stewart (from high Steward). Therefore, I believe all of Robert the Bruce's direct line of descendants comes from Stewart line because of his daughter's marriage. On the other hand, is it possible that Robert I's line be traced through the Carrick line too? I'm not an expert, so someone please jump in and correct me if you have other information. Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XOG.2ACIB/1312.1 Message Board Post: I'm sorry for the typo. Floyd Charles Bruce is my great-grandfather, not my great-great-grandfather, although I don't imagine this makes any difference to anyone but me.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Bruce, Garner Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XOG.2ACIB/1312 Message Board Post: I'm stuck at a roadblock trying to find information on my gg-grandfather, Floyd Charles Bruce. He was born on 16 April 1906. I don't even know the state where he was born, but it might have been in Marion Co., Missouri. He died on 02 February 1963, though I don't know where. He married Ella Heneritta Garner who was born on 30 June 1912 in Palmyra, Marion, Missouri and died somewhere in January 1982. Their children include Wilbur Floyd Bruce, Pearl Luetta Bruce, Robert Lee Bruce, Rosetta Mae Bruce, Harold Everett Bruce, and Joyce Irene Bruce. I'm researching my direct ancestry, so names of Floyd Charles Bruce's parents would be especially useful, but any information will be appreciated. Thanks in advance for your help.

I have a question? Which of Roberts male children carry down the line with the name of Bruce? Who came to America? Thanks, Debbie

In reply to Robert the Bruce not having any children, Caroline Bingham wrote in her "Robert The Bruce" (London: 1998) p.161: "That some of his [Robert's] love affairs were more serious is implied by the record of six illegitimate children whom he acknowledged and provided for, though the names of their mothers are not known (but the territorial designation 'of Carrick' suggests that Christian of Carrick was the mother of two of them).

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In reply to Robert the Bruce not having any children, here is a link of the Scottish Royal Lineage. In the House of Atholl (part 2 of 6) article you will find Robert's child. A daughter, I think. http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/scotland/sitepages/page31d.asp NOTICE: This communication may contain proprietary or other confidential business information of Orcom Solutions, Inc. If you are not the intended recipient or believe that you may have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender indicating that fact and delete the copy you received. In addition, you should not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information. Thank you.

I have read several times that Robert the Bruce had no children.

I have digital photos of the tombstones of Abraham Bruce Sr who died 6-2-1866 "age about 62" in Union County, Georgia years and his wife Sarah who died 4-17-1879 "age 79 wife of Abraham". Abraham wasthe son of James Bruce of SC. They are buried in the Mt Zion Baptist Church, Union County, GA and had to be "Chalked" to be read. The photos are good. Ask me by email for the jpg picturs of Abaraham and Sarah. Charles Ingram Charles T. Ingram, MD 152 Connell St Jasper, GA 30143 [email protected]

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/XOG.2ACIB/1297.2 Message Board Post: you may find that your 'robert le brus' is infact the scotsman, 'robert the bruce'.....i, myself live in england.....maybe this helps