There are a lot of Broyles that descend from the Broyhills of county Cork..the Broyhills are actually a cheiftain clan in Scotland that were given land in Ireland and then probably intermarried a lot. But the name was also pronounced Broyles and late r some became Broyles...there are also O'Broyles in Ireland. My own Grandmothers family are from Cork and I have many items that list her name as Broils which is not correct. ----- Original Message ----- From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] My BROYLES line > At 01/21/2003 11:12 AM Tuesday, Sperong@aol.com wrote: > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > >Almost all American Broyles descend from Hans Jacob's father Johannes > >Breyhel > >and Ursula Ruop. I also descend from Cyrus and Maria Wilhite through > >son > >Daniel and Unknown wife. I have not done much original research but > >thanks > >to the research of others on this list, I have the Wilhite > >and Fleischmann > >line in my database as well as the Broyles line back a few > >generations. I > >could send it to you. > >(snipped) > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > Hello "SPERONG": > > Just a word about your first paragraph. I know you were just being > conservative and careful when you say "Almost all..." . Actually, > this subject has been raised many times in the past and from all the > research that has been done, NO BROYLES descendants have ever > been found that did NOT descend from Johannes BREYHEL and > Ursula RUOP. And, there is a very good reason for this. Johannes' > name in German was spelled variously BREHEL, BREYEL, BREYHEL, > etc., but NEVER was it spelled BROYLES, BRILES, or any of the > other Americanized spellings in Germany. > > Johannes, his wife, and children arrived here with the German > spelling. It was not until the British clerks entered the name in > various court records as BROYLES, BROYL, BRILE, BRILES, > etc., that we have the American versions. Thus, anyone with > the name BROYLES does descend from Johannes. Anyone > arriving later with the spelling BREHEL, or one of the other > German spellings, would very likely not have been entered in > the records as BROYLES. Plus, there is absolutely no record > of any other emigrant in the early 1700's arriving with any of > the various spellings, either German or Americanized. > > So, I think we can safely say that all American BROYLES or > BROYLES descendants descend from old Johannes. Nothing > is, of course, ever a 100% certainty, but during the course of > genealogical research no BROYLES has EVER been found that > can't be traced back to our Johannes. > > Regards, > George > > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: > BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Margot, I challenge you to show me ONE BROYLES in the country today that descends from BROYHILL. I don't mean to be overly sensitive about this, but it just continues to irritate me when people insist on spreading unreliable information without a smidgen of proof to back it up. There has never been a piece of actual paper proof of any BROYLES in Ireland or Scotland who did not descend from original Germanic emigrants. And, no one has ever produced a single piece of original source document proving that any American BROYLES, of whatever spelling variant, descended from anyone except the original John BROYLES (the German Johannes BREYHEL/BREHEL). I do not dispute your claim that there may be/have been people in Ireland who were known by names "close" to the BROYLES pronunciation -- but, I do dispute the fact that anyone has found in this country any BROYLES, or other related spellings, who descend from these Irish folks. (For the record, just because a name in one country is pronounced "close" to the pronunciation in another country, that doesn't mean a danged thing! STOP IT!) Please, I don't mean to start a row, but if someone COULD produce some original source documents that show that not all BROYLES descendants in America come from the original German emigrant, it would thrill me. Serious genealogy researchers are always open to new findings, and happy to have them. It's just that when spurious claims keep popping up, and no one can provide a whit of valid proof, it gets tiresome. Now, to what you posted, specifically: Please see this web site: http://www.broyhill.org/ You won't find a mention of BROYLES or any of its variant spellings. The genealogy of this family line is inclusive and covers the original emigrant, William BROUGHALL, his son, William BROUGHALL, Jr., and Jr's son James BROYHILL, the first in America to take the name BROYHILL. Plus, you'll find that all the American BROYHILL people were from England, not Ireland or Scotland, and can trace back many centuries before the Irish and Scots families you reference. County Cork or Scotland does not enter into the BROYHILL line any time, any place! AND, the original name, whether you claim Ireland, Scotland, or England, was NOT "BROYHILL", or "O'BROYLES", or "BROILS", or anything else. It was BROUGHALL, and sometimes BROUGHILL!!!!! So much for the Irish BROYHILL. (According to the web site referenced above, "BROUGH" translates to "fortified place" in the Latin/Roman language, and "HALL" translates to "earth works". So these people took a name from a location -- they were known as the people from the "fortified earth works", and went back as far as the Roman occupation of Britain, i.e. present day England.) Please, if you're going to try to help other genealogy researchers, make sure of your sources. The supposed BROYHILLs and BROYLES in Ireland and Scotland were not of the BROUGHALL line that immigrated from England to America and became the BROYHILL line. If you find BROYLES, BROILS, O'BROYLES and other variant spellings in Ireland, they were NOT of the BROUGHALL/BROYHILL lines. They were emigrants from the "continent" who came from the Germanic regions, and, so far, no records have ever shown any of THEM immigrating from Ireland to America. I SAY IT AGAIN !!!!! SHOW ME ACTUAL PAPER SOURCE DOCUMENTS OF "ANY" BROYLES IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY WHO DOES "NOT" DESCEND FROM THE ORIGINAL GERMAN IMMIGRANT "JOHN BROYLES/JOHANNES BREHEL"!!!!! Supposition is worse than nothing! Regards, George W. Durman (If, and when, anyone can provide proof of the fallacies in our theories of BROYLES genealogy, we will gladly acknowledge such proof, offer our apologies for our "arrogant" stance, and "eat crow" forever more. Until then BROYLES is BROYLES, and nothing else, including "not BROYHILL".) At 02/12/2003 11:59 PM Wednesday, margot malone wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >There are a lot of Broyles that descend from the Broyhills of county >Cork..the Broyhills are actually a cheiftain clan in Scotland that >were >given land in Ireland and then probably intermarried a lot. But the >name was >also pronounced Broyles and late r some became Broyles...there are >also >O'Broyles in Ireland. My own Grandmothers family are from Cork and I >have >many items that list her name as Broils which is not correct. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> >To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:41 PM >Subject: Re: [BROYLES] My BROYLES line > > > > At 01/21/2003 11:12 AM Tuesday, Sperong@aol.com wrote: > > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > > >Almost all American Broyles descend from Hans Jacob's father > Johannes > > >Breyhel > > >and Ursula Ruop. I also descend from Cyrus and Maria Wilhite > through > > >son > > >Daniel and Unknown wife. I have not done much original research > but > > >thanks > > >to the research of others on this list, I have the Wilhite > > >and Fleischmann > > >line in my database as well as the Broyles line back a few > > >generations. I > > >could send it to you. > > >(snipped) > > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > > > Hello "SPERONG": > > > > Just a word about your first paragraph. I know you were just being > > conservative and careful when you say "Almost all..." . Actually, > > this subject has been raised many times in the past and from all > the > > research that has been done, NO BROYLES descendants have ever > > been found that did NOT descend from Johannes BREYHEL and > > Ursula RUOP. And, there is a very good reason for this. Johannes' > > name in German was spelled variously BREHEL, BREYEL, BREYHEL, > > etc., but NEVER was it spelled BROYLES, BRILES, or any of the > > other Americanized spellings in Germany. > > > > Johannes, his wife, and children arrived here with the German > > spelling. It was not until the British clerks entered the name in > > various court records as BROYLES, BROYL, BRILE, BRILES, > > etc., that we have the American versions. Thus, anyone with > > the name BROYLES does descend from Johannes. Anyone > > arriving later with the spelling BREHEL, or one of the other > > German spellings, would very likely not have been entered in > > the records as BROYLES. Plus, there is absolutely no record > > of any other emigrant in the early 1700's arriving with any of > > the various spellings, either German or Americanized. > > > > So, I think we can safely say that all American BROYLES or > > BROYLES descendants descend from old Johannes. Nothing > > is, of course, ever a 100% certainty, but during the course of > > genealogical research no BROYLES has EVER been found that > > can't be traced back to our Johannes. > > > > Regards, > > George **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT***********