George W. Durman wrote: > > At 08:04 PM 06/13/2000, Smile2Uall2@aol.com wrote: > *************START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************* > Hello > I am new at this and have ran into a couple of problems. First of all in our > family Heritage Book we have Zachariah Broyles, which is the son of Jacob > Adam Broil (Hans Jacob as yall refer to him), to be the father of Michael > Broyles that was married to Margret Newberry. When looking at the family > line on the net, it looks like maybe his father was Michael Broyles. Can > anyone help clear this problem up for me? Also we have always been told that > Michael and Margret were the ones to change the name to Broyles??? > > Thank you for any help you can give me! > > Stacie Broyles Branson > **************END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT************** > > Hi Stacie. This is the second email I have received this week that refers to > "Hans Jacob BROYLES" as "Jacob Adam BROIL". I haven't seen this reference in a > long, long time. I just wonder, where, and with what proof, this person EVER > was identified as "Jacob Adam". Does ANYONE know of a verifiable primary > source document to back this up? > > I'm also curious as to the source of "Michael and Margret were the ones to > change the name to BROYLES". > > Back years and years ago, I did see references to Hans Jacob as Jacob Adam, > but, at the time, the "source" was based on family lore, or family oral > history, and was never proven. If his name WAS Jacob Adam, I would LOVE to get > a copy of the source(s) and to change all the data I have; however, knowing a > little about German naming traditions, "Hans Jacob" and "Jacob Adam" just do > not start to equal one another. > > The fellow's father was Johannes BREYHEL (BREHEL, or however it was spelled in > various documents). At that time, sons were "usually" give a "first" name of > their father, with a "second" name of their own. They were NEVER known by > their "first" name, but by their "second". Thus, Johannes BREYHEL, if > following tradition, would have named his two sons "Johann Jacob" and "Johann > Conrad". > > Johann or Johan or Johannes was, informally, shortened to "Hans". Thus, the > person in question may have become known as "Hans Jacob" in America, maybe > because of the English tradition of using first names, or, maybe, to > differentiate him from his son "Jacob". I've always "suspected" that Conrad's > name was really "Johann Conrad", but no one has EVER found a source document to > prove this. > > I just wish we could find out where this "Jacob Adam" found its way into the > genealogy records. It was several generations down in history before the name > "Adam" was first used in the BROYLES family. It certainly had no precedence, > that we know of, in Germany, or in the early generations in America. > > I'm not casting aspersions, just trying to find out, once and for all, where > the "Adam" came from, and if there is any actual proof. > > SgtGeorge > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. I agree with George. In the 30 some odd years I've been researching the Broyles family I have never heard Jacob as Jacob Adam. I would also like to see proof of this. Ken Broyles