Thank you george! ----- Original Message ----- From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] My BROYLES line > Margot, a followup to the email I posted earlier. Reading some of > the downloadable files from the website I referenced, I find this: > > (In the file "1-Roots.pub" in the downloaded file "bryhll1.zip") > > "The Broyhills of the United States descend from the Broughalls > who remained in ancient Britain, rather than those of ancient > Ireland. Radulphi or Radi Broughall christened two sons at > Newcastle-Upon-Lyme in the 1560's, and he was apparently the > father of two other boys, but there is no record of their > christenings. An extensive review of all surviving parish records > suggests that all Broughalls in 17th Century..." > > Regards, > George > > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > broyles-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On your Civil Broyles', do you have any info on the blacks Broyles's who may have served in the U.S.C.T.? I've seen on the Tennessesee State Library website where they lists some black Broyles's who served during the Civil War. I'm not anywhere near that far back in my research yet, so I don't know if any of those names are my relatives. If they're from Greene County, TN they are for certain. Thanks. Shahid U. Raki ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com

I'm sorry -- the line should have read that Felix Broyles left Tennessee in the mid to late 1860's for KY. Thank you, Bonnie

I was wondering if Felix Broyles (b. 8 October 1833, Stinking Creek, Campbell County, Tenn. & died 6 April 1922, Plato, Pulaski County, KY) fought for the Confederacy or had any brothers who fought for the Confederacy. Felix and his wife, Emeline Johnson, left Campbell County in the 1860's and moved into Kentucky. Felix Broyles' line goes John>Jacob>Michael>Aaron>Felix>Felix. Thank you for any help! Bonnie

Hi Shirley, I think you misunderstood. (GRIN) I'm not going anywhere! I have had problems lately receiving email posts from some of the Lists I manage. I was just sending those short "test" posts to see if they would be posted, and if I would receive them back. Things seem to be OK here on BROYLES-L. I was receiving private emails from Thelma quite often, but, like you, haven't heard from her lately. Does anyone know anything about her state of health? As to being kicked off a List, I've been managing the GERMANNA_ COLONIES Mailing List for a number and can attest that she's never been kicked off it! I'm trying to contact her now. Will let you know. George At 03/10/2003 07:23 PM Monday, Shirley G. wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Received all four. As always, I am grateful to you, George. Hate to >see you go but understand. You have been a great host for all of us. >God bless you and yours always! Know you have been appreciated. By >the >way, I feel something has happened to Thelma Waddell Wisecarver. I >was >distantly related by the WADDELL line as well as the WILHITE line, and >we corresponded from the time I joined. She was to have some type of >surgery; sent a message that she had sailed through it and was doing >fine, and the next time I sent a message, it said that email no longer >existed. It made me feel quite uneasy. I don't even know if she >still >belonged to the Germanna list. >One time when she raised sand about Ancestry.com on the web, she said >she was kicked off a list and I presumed it was ours (Germanna). Nancy >Hatcher and I have both been concerned. I found one Wisecarver in >Salisbury, NC, but I keep getting a recording and he sounds like a >very >young man. I just keep leaving messages, but you know young people. >I'm sure he won't (or cannot afford) to get back to me so have not >made >that request. If you have any ideas, I would appreciate hearing. >Thanks. > >Here's my heart... **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT***********

Thanks, George. As always, good job! Here's my heart...

Margot, a followup to the email I posted earlier. Reading some of the downloadable files from the website I referenced, I find this: (In the file "1-Roots.pub" in the downloaded file "bryhll1.zip") "The Broyhills of the United States descend from the Broughalls who remained in ancient Britain, rather than those of ancient Ireland. Radulphi or Radi Broughall christened two sons at Newcastle-Upon-Lyme in the 1560's, and he was apparently the father of two other boys, but there is no record of their christenings. An extensive review of all surviving parish records suggests that all Broughalls in 17th Century..." Regards, George

I received two test messages in Schuyler, VA. ----- Original Message ----- From: "George W. Durman" <GeorgeWDurman@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 6:09 PM Subject: [BROYLES] Test > Test > > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > You can contact the List Manager at: > broyles-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Margot, I challenge you to show me ONE BROYLES in the country today that descends from BROYHILL. I don't mean to be overly sensitive about this, but it just continues to irritate me when people insist on spreading unreliable information without a smidgen of proof to back it up. There has never been a piece of actual paper proof of any BROYLES in Ireland or Scotland who did not descend from original Germanic emigrants. And, no one has ever produced a single piece of original source document proving that any American BROYLES, of whatever spelling variant, descended from anyone except the original John BROYLES (the German Johannes BREYHEL/BREHEL). I do not dispute your claim that there may be/have been people in Ireland who were known by names "close" to the BROYLES pronunciation -- but, I do dispute the fact that anyone has found in this country any BROYLES, or other related spellings, who descend from these Irish folks. (For the record, just because a name in one country is pronounced "close" to the pronunciation in another country, that doesn't mean a danged thing! STOP IT!) Please, I don't mean to start a row, but if someone COULD produce some original source documents that show that not all BROYLES descendants in America come from the original German emigrant, it would thrill me. Serious genealogy researchers are always open to new findings, and happy to have them. It's just that when spurious claims keep popping up, and no one can provide a whit of valid proof, it gets tiresome. Now, to what you posted, specifically: Please see this web site: http://www.broyhill.org/ You won't find a mention of BROYLES or any of its variant spellings. The genealogy of this family line is inclusive and covers the original emigrant, William BROUGHALL, his son, William BROUGHALL, Jr., and Jr's son James BROYHILL, the first in America to take the name BROYHILL. Plus, you'll find that all the American BROYHILL people were from England, not Ireland or Scotland, and can trace back many centuries before the Irish and Scots families you reference. County Cork or Scotland does not enter into the BROYHILL line any time, any place! AND, the original name, whether you claim Ireland, Scotland, or England, was NOT "BROYHILL", or "O'BROYLES", or "BROILS", or anything else. It was BROUGHALL, and sometimes BROUGHILL!!!!! So much for the Irish BROYHILL. (According to the web site referenced above, "BROUGH" translates to "fortified place" in the Latin/Roman language, and "HALL" translates to "earth works". So these people took a name from a location -- they were known as the people from the "fortified earth works", and went back as far as the Roman occupation of Britain, i.e. present day England.) Please, if you're going to try to help other genealogy researchers, make sure of your sources. The supposed BROYHILLs and BROYLES in Ireland and Scotland were not of the BROUGHALL line that immigrated from England to America and became the BROYHILL line. If you find BROYLES, BROILS, O'BROYLES and other variant spellings in Ireland, they were NOT of the BROUGHALL/BROYHILL lines. They were emigrants from the "continent" who came from the Germanic regions, and, so far, no records have ever shown any of THEM immigrating from Ireland to America. I SAY IT AGAIN !!!!! SHOW ME ACTUAL PAPER SOURCE DOCUMENTS OF "ANY" BROYLES IN THIS COUNTRY TODAY WHO DOES "NOT" DESCEND FROM THE ORIGINAL GERMAN IMMIGRANT "JOHN BROYLES/JOHANNES BREHEL"!!!!! Supposition is worse than nothing! Regards, George W. Durman (If, and when, anyone can provide proof of the fallacies in our theories of BROYLES genealogy, we will gladly acknowledge such proof, offer our apologies for our "arrogant" stance, and "eat crow" forever more. Until then BROYLES is BROYLES, and nothing else, including "not BROYHILL".) At 02/12/2003 11:59 PM Wednesday, margot malone wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >There are a lot of Broyles that descend from the Broyhills of county >Cork..the Broyhills are actually a cheiftain clan in Scotland that >were >given land in Ireland and then probably intermarried a lot. But the >name was >also pronounced Broyles and late r some became Broyles...there are >also >O'Broyles in Ireland. My own Grandmothers family are from Cork and I >have >many items that list her name as Broils which is not correct. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> >To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:41 PM >Subject: Re: [BROYLES] My BROYLES line > > > > At 01/21/2003 11:12 AM Tuesday, Sperong@aol.com wrote: > > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > > >Almost all American Broyles descend from Hans Jacob's father > Johannes > > >Breyhel > > >and Ursula Ruop. I also descend from Cyrus and Maria Wilhite > through > > >son > > >Daniel and Unknown wife. I have not done much original research > but > > >thanks > > >to the research of others on this list, I have the Wilhite > > >and Fleischmann > > >line in my database as well as the Broyles line back a few > > >generations. I > > >could send it to you. > > >(snipped) > > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > > > Hello "SPERONG": > > > > Just a word about your first paragraph. I know you were just being > > conservative and careful when you say "Almost all..." . Actually, > > this subject has been raised many times in the past and from all > the > > research that has been done, NO BROYLES descendants have ever > > been found that did NOT descend from Johannes BREYHEL and > > Ursula RUOP. And, there is a very good reason for this. Johannes' > > name in German was spelled variously BREHEL, BREYEL, BREYHEL, > > etc., but NEVER was it spelled BROYLES, BRILES, or any of the > > other Americanized spellings in Germany. > > > > Johannes, his wife, and children arrived here with the German > > spelling. It was not until the British clerks entered the name in > > various court records as BROYLES, BROYL, BRILE, BRILES, > > etc., that we have the American versions. Thus, anyone with > > the name BROYLES does descend from Johannes. Anyone > > arriving later with the spelling BREHEL, or one of the other > > German spellings, would very likely not have been entered in > > the records as BROYLES. Plus, there is absolutely no record > > of any other emigrant in the early 1700's arriving with any of > > the various spellings, either German or Americanized. > > > > So, I think we can safely say that all American BROYLES or > > BROYLES descendants descend from old Johannes. Nothing > > is, of course, ever a 100% certainty, but during the course of > > genealogical research no BROYLES has EVER been found that > > can't be traced back to our Johannes. > > > > Regards, > > George **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT***********

Test okay from Lowrey McNeel in Atlanta, descendant of Jemina Broyles (1765 - 1863) and her husband, Joseph Brown, Jr. (1760 - 1800), Rev War soldier. Thanks.

Thank you George,I can assure you that there will be no crow in your diet. S.B.Broyles ----- Original Message ----- From: "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 9:12 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] My BROYLES line > Margot, I challenge you to show me ONE BROYLES in the > country today that descends from BROYHILL. I don't mean > to be overly sensitive about this, but it just continues to irritate > me when people insist on spreading unreliable information > without a smidgen of proof to back it up. There has never > been a piece of actual paper proof of any BROYLES in Ireland > or Scotland who did not descend from original Germanic emigrants. > And, no one has ever produced a single piece of original source > document proving that any American BROYLES, of whatever > spelling variant, descended from anyone except the original > John BROYLES (the German Johannes BREYHEL/BREHEL). > > I do not dispute your claim that there may be/have been people > in Ireland who were known by names "close" to the BROYLES > pronunciation -- but, I do dispute the fact that anyone has found > in this country any BROYLES, or other related spellings, who > descend from these Irish folks. (For the record, just because a > name in one country is pronounced "close" to the pronunciation > in another country, that doesn't mean a danged thing! STOP IT!) > > Please, I don't mean to start a row, but if someone COULD > produce some original source documents that show that not all > BROYLES descendants in America come from the original > German emigrant, it would thrill me. Serious genealogy researchers > are always open to new findings, and happy to have them. It's > just that when spurious claims keep popping up, and no one can > provide a whit of valid proof, it gets tiresome. > > Now, to what you posted, specifically: > > Please see this web site: > > http://www.broyhill.org/ > > You won't find a mention of BROYLES or any of its variant > spellings. The genealogy of this family line is inclusive and > covers the original emigrant, William BROUGHALL, his son, > William BROUGHALL, Jr., and Jr's son James BROYHILL, > the first in America to take the name BROYHILL. Plus, you'll > find that all the American BROYHILL people were from England, > not Ireland or Scotland, and can trace back many centuries before > the Irish and Scots families you reference. County Cork or > Scotland does not enter into the BROYHILL line any time, any > place! > > AND, the original name, whether you claim Ireland, Scotland, > or England, was NOT "BROYHILL", or "O'BROYLES", or > "BROILS", or anything else. It was BROUGHALL, and > sometimes BROUGHILL!!!!! So much for the Irish BROYHILL. > (According to the web site referenced above, "BROUGH" > translates to "fortified place" in the Latin/Roman language, and > "HALL" translates to "earth works". So these people took a > name from a location -- they were known as the people from the > "fortified earth works", and went back as far as the Roman > occupation of Britain, i.e. present day England.) > > Please, if you're going to try to help other genealogy researchers, > make sure of your sources. The supposed BROYHILLs and > BROYLES in Ireland and Scotland were not of the BROUGHALL > line that immigrated from England to America and became the > BROYHILL line. If you find BROYLES, BROILS, O'BROYLES > and other variant spellings in Ireland, they were NOT of the > BROUGHALL/BROYHILL lines. They were emigrants from the > "continent" who came from the Germanic regions, and, so far, > no records have ever shown any of THEM immigrating from > Ireland to America. > > I SAY IT AGAIN !!!!! SHOW ME ACTUAL PAPER SOURCE > DOCUMENTS OF "ANY" BROYLES IN THIS COUNTRY > TODAY WHO DOES "NOT" DESCEND FROM THE ORIGINAL > GERMAN IMMIGRANT "JOHN BROYLES/JOHANNES > BREHEL"!!!!! > > Supposition is worse than nothing! > > Regards, > George W. Durman > (If, and when, anyone can provide proof of the fallacies in our > theories of BROYLES genealogy, we will gladly acknowledge > such proof, offer our apologies for our "arrogant" stance, and > "eat crow" forever more. Until then BROYLES is BROYLES, > and nothing else, including "not BROYHILL".) > > At 02/12/2003 11:59 PM Wednesday, margot malone wrote: > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > >There are a lot of Broyles that descend from the Broyhills of county > >Cork..the Broyhills are actually a cheiftain clan in Scotland that > >were > >given land in Ireland and then probably intermarried a lot. But the > >name was > >also pronounced Broyles and late r some became Broyles...there are > >also > >O'Broyles in Ireland. My own Grandmothers family are from Cork and I > >have > >many items that list her name as Broils which is not correct. > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: George W. Durman <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> > >To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:41 PM > >Subject: Re: [BROYLES] My BROYLES line > > > > > > > At 01/21/2003 11:12 AM Tuesday, Sperong@aol.com wrote: > > > *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > > > >Almost all American Broyles descend from Hans Jacob's father > > Johannes > > > >Breyhel > > > >and Ursula Ruop. I also descend from Cyrus and Maria Wilhite > > through > > > >son > > > >Daniel and Unknown wife. I have not done much original research > > but > > > >thanks > > > >to the research of others on this list, I have the Wilhite > > > >and Fleischmann > > > >line in my database as well as the Broyles line back a few > > > >generations. I > > > >could send it to you. > > > >(snipped) > > > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > > > > > Hello "SPERONG": > > > > > > Just a word about your first paragraph. I know you were just being > > > conservative and careful when you say "Almost all..." . Actually, > > > this subject has been raised many times in the past and from all > > the > > > research that has been done, NO BROYLES descendants have ever > > > been found that did NOT descend from Johannes BREYHEL and > > > Ursula RUOP. And, there is a very good reason for this. Johannes' > > > name in German was spelled variously BREHEL, BREYEL, BREYHEL, > > > etc., but NEVER was it spelled BROYLES, BRILES, or any of the > > > other Americanized spellings in Germany. > > > > > > Johannes, his wife, and children arrived here with the German > > > spelling. It was not until the British clerks entered the name in > > > various court records as BROYLES, BROYL, BRILE, BRILES, > > > etc., that we have the American versions. Thus, anyone with > > > the name BROYLES does descend from Johannes. Anyone > > > arriving later with the spelling BREHEL, or one of the other > > > German spellings, would very likely not have been entered in > > > the records as BROYLES. Plus, there is absolutely no record > > > of any other emigrant in the early 1700's arriving with any of > > > the various spellings, either German or Americanized. > > > > > > So, I think we can safely say that all American BROYLES or > > > BROYLES descendants descend from old Johannes. Nothing > > > is, of course, ever a 100% certainty, but during the course of > > > genealogical research no BROYLES has EVER been found that > > > can't be traced back to our Johannes. > > > > > > Regards, > > > George > **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** > > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: > BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Received all four. As always, I am grateful to you, George. Hate to see you go but understand. You have been a great host for all of us. God bless you and yours always! Know you have been appreciated. By the way, I feel something has happened to Thelma Waddell Wisecarver. I was distantly related by the WADDELL line as well as the WILHITE line, and we corresponded from the time I joined. She was to have some type of surgery; sent a message that she had sailed through it and was doing fine, and the next time I sent a message, it said that email no longer existed. It made me feel quite uneasy. I don't even know if she still belonged to the Germanna list. One time when she raised sand about Ancestry.com on the web, she said she was kicked off a list and I presumed it was ours (Germanna). Nancy Hatcher and I have both been concerned. I found one Wisecarver in Salisbury, NC, but I keep getting a recording and he sounds like a very young man. I just keep leaving messages, but you know young people. I'm sure he won't (or cannot afford) to get back to me so have not made that request. If you have any ideas, I would appreciate hearing. Thanks. Here's my heart...

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264 Message Board Post: All three of these men were part of the Georgia Phillips Legion, Company B, during the Civil War. There is a possibility that J.J. Broyles was Julius John Broyles, son of John Taylor Broyles & wife Clarinda Charlotte Hammond. He may have been a cousin to the other two Broyles brothers who were sons of Cain Broyles. There is no documented evidence of this at the present time but the movement of J.J.'s family from Anderson District SC to Dalton, GA, to Marshallville, GA to Chickamauga, GA in 1866 puts him in the right vicinity to be the same person. Am in the process of checking Confederate Medical Service Records due to the fact that Julius John Broyles was a physician by occupation to see if there is a match. Would greatly like to know if a photo of this family line still exists today of perhaps one of the cousins together, or separate, since all three were in the same regimental unit together. Would like to contact descendants of Julius John Broyles' family for fur! ther confirmation. Contact Kurt Graham galegion@bellsouth.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: "smile"---> what a mix!!--->:Broyles, Kenyon, McMurry, Szabo, Sabo, Ibabao, Chiru, Jalba, Aldea, Lindeman, Marcu. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IOG.2ACIB/37.38.39.40.52.167 Message Board Post: ?::::ORVILLE BROYLES::::? Hi, I might have a bit of info. on ORVILLE BROYLES. Could he be related to RUTH and married FLORENCE? Orville and Florence Broyles, fam. in Oregon-Washington. Please contact me, I'd like to exchange and compare info. Thank you!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Broyles, Kenyon, McMurry, Szabo, Sabo, Ibabao, Chiru, Jalba, Aldea, Lindeman, Marcu. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IOG.2ACIB/37.38.39.40.52.166 Message Board Post: ?::::ORVILLE BROYLES::::? Hi, I might have a bit of info. on ORVILLE BROYLES. Could he be related to RUTH and married FLORENCE? Orville and Florence Broyles, fam. in Oregon-Washington. Please contact me, I'd like to exchange and compare info. Thank you!

I'm assuming that this is a Confederate unit, correct?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/263.1.1 Message Board Post: Compiled Service Records and/or Muster Rolls are not always specific as to a soldier's name. A large majority of them were recorded only by the use of initials. At the moment, I do not know what the J.J. represented but do know that Company B was formed in Whitfield County, Georgia. Were your ancestors from that county?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Stigall, Broyles, Abbott, Cecil, Wray Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/263.1 Message Board Post: I have several J Broyles that lived during that area. What does the J. J. stand for?