In a message dated 8/13/2004 1:05:33 PM Central Standard Time, croy@bellsouth.net writes: don't have your answers but who was the parents of this Michael Broyles? Michael Broyles parents were William and Rhoda Douglas(s) Broyles so Michael was the Grandson of Michael and Nancy Perkins Broyles. Thank you for your response. Linda

I don't have your answers but who was the parents of this Michael Broyles? Michael and Nancy Perkins Broyles? I do have more on the Broyles but not the other names you mentioned. Sorry, Carol -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com [mailto:gc-gateway@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of SEKyMoses@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:37 PM To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BROYLES] Re: Michael Broyles Campbell Co., Tn. This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/292.3 Message Board Post: Broyles researchers once again I need help with another brick wall. Michael Broyles b. 1845 married Martha Centers in 1862 Campbell Co. I am trying to ascertain if this Martha is the daughter of Sarah Thomas Pennington Senter. Sarahs siblings.... Savannah married Aaron Broyles, Daniel married Nancy Broyles, Eliza married Samuel Broyles, and Aaron married Mary Polly Broyles. Sarah had 4 children by Willis Senter. In the 1870 Whitley census her son John is living with Aaron Thomas and Mary. Any ideas on how to prove or disprove this Martha Centers is the daughter of Sarah would be greatly appreciated. Linda ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: broyles-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/292.3.1 Message Board Post: 1. Martha was probably born before 1850 and should therefore be found in the 1850 census of Campbell or Whitley Cos. 2. There might be a death certificate for Martha. It will probably name her parents. 3. She might be mentioned in an estate settlement of her father, mother, and/or step-father.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/292.3 Message Board Post: Broyles researchers once again I need help with another brick wall. Michael Broyles b. 1845 married Martha Centers in 1862 Campbell Co. I am trying to ascertain if this Martha is the daughter of Sarah Thomas Pennington Senter. Sarahs siblings.... Savannah married Aaron Broyles, Daniel married Nancy Broyles, Eliza married Samuel Broyles, and Aaron married Mary Polly Broyles. Sarah had 4 children by Willis Senter. In the 1870 Whitley census her son John is living with Aaron Thomas and Mary. Any ideas on how to prove or disprove this Martha Centers is the daughter of Sarah would be greatly appreciated. Linda

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Broyles Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IOG.2ACIB/280.2.1 Message Board Post: Jim, somebody had posted the contents of the will online as part of a Gedcom file. Unfortunately, I didn't copy it into a document, as I had nowhere to put it - I've never entered Adam into my genealogy software program because I doubt that he's really my ancestor. My notes say that his will was proved April 19, 1782 in Washington County, Tennessee. It doesn't mention a wife, indicating that she was already dead. The children indicated by the will would be Moses, Anne, Milla, Jemima, Aaron, Joshua, and Mary Ann. No mention of a Sarah or an Elenor, my ancestor. She was already dead at the time Adam died, but so far as we know her widower and some of her children were still living in Washington County. Normally, there would have been a mention of some member of her family in the will, leading us to believe that she was probably not Adam's daughter, though she was the right age and lived in the right places to be. The address of the county courthouse in Washington County is P. O. Box 219, Jonesborough, Tennessee 37659. Perhaps you can get a copy of the will by writing them. Sorry I can't be more helpful.

I have a copy of Adams will. Which adam are you talking about. Ken Broyles jkbroyles@comcast.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimb@dsouth.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: [BROYLES] Re: Descendants of Adam Broyles This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/280.2 Message Board Post: Where on line did you see a copy of Adam Broyles, will? I would like to see it. Thanks, Jim ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: broyles-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.727 / Virus Database: 482 - Release Date: 07/26/2004

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/280.2 Message Board Post: Where on line did you see a copy of Adam Broyles, will? I would like to see it. Thanks, Jim

You are right. I answered an e-mail the other day on Cain and told who ever it was that the title was not from service. ----- Original Message ----- From: <galegion@bellsouth.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 2:15 PM Subject: [BROYLES] Re: J.J. Broyles - Marcellus Franklin Broyles - Walter Long Broyles / CSA Civil War history This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jim. I have not researched Cain Broyles military record, but I assume his title of Major probably comes from an association with prewar state militia in South Carolina, Tennessee or Georgia. The same could be true of Cain's father or he might have been an officer during the war of 1812 or the Revolution. I am no expert on prewar military records, but do know that many records covering these periods do exist in Stae and Federal Archives. Kurt ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.726 / Virus Database: 481 - Release Date: 07/22/2004

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jim. I have not researched Cain Broyles military record, but I assume his title of Major probably comes from an association with prewar state militia in South Carolina, Tennessee or Georgia. The same could be true of Cain's father or he might have been an officer during the war of 1812 or the Revolution. I am no expert on prewar military records, but do know that many records covering these periods do exist in Stae and Federal Archives. Kurt

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: broyles Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IOG.2ACIB/296 Message Board Post: i'm trying to locate a larry dale broyles or marcella broyles. do not know who they married or if they are still alive. their mother was rosa lee holt broyles. their grandmother was rosa lee collins holt. e-mail me at moonchaser_17@yahoo.com.

William was born 3, Dec. 1826 and died 14, June 1877 buried Anderson SC Smith Chapel Meth. ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimb@dsouth.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:34 PM Subject: [BROYLES] Re: J.J. Broyles - Marcellus Franklin Broyles - Walter Long Broyles / CSA Civil War history This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Marcellus did indeed die at the Wilderness. My great-great grandfather, William Lowndes Broyles, his brother went to Virginia to claim the body and bring it home. Marcellus and his brother, Walter are buried, I am told at Mt. Cumberland Cemetary in Dalton GA with their mother, Lucinda Nash Broyles. I would love to have a photo of thier graves if anyone lives near. I have a photo of their father, Cain Broyles' grave, he is buried at Shady Grove Baptist Church near Belton, SC. the story is told that when William Lowndes returned with the body, he was covered with lice and would not come into the house. He took his clothes off in the yard and had them boiled and he bathed in the yard before comming in the house. ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 07/18/2004

From what information I have the title Major was just that a title. Not from service. Ken Broyles ----- Original Message ----- From: <jimb@dsouth.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:41 PM Subject: [BROYLES] Re: J.J. Broyles - Marcellus Franklin Broyles - Walter Long Broyles / CSA Civil War history This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Do you know the service of Cain Broyles. You listed him as Major Cain Broyles and his grave stone does as well, but I have not found his military service record. His father Aaron Broyles has Major Aaron Broyles on his grave stone also. Aaron is buried at Shady Grove Baptist Church near Belton, SC. I haven't found either service record. Any help would be appreciated. ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: broyles-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.722 / Virus Database: 478 - Release Date: 07/18/2004

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264.2 Message Board Post: My great-great grandfather, William Lowndes Broyles, was brother to Marcellus and Walter and he was also a medical doctor. I have one of his medical books. Do you know where they went to medical school?

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264.1.1.2 Message Board Post: Do you know the service of Cain Broyles. You listed him as Major Cain Broyles and his grave stone does as well, but I have not found his military service record. His father Aaron Broyles has Major Aaron Broyles on his grave stone also. Aaron is buried at Shady Grove Baptist Church near Belton, SC. I haven't found either service record. Any help would be appreciated.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/264.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Marcellus did indeed die at the Wilderness. My great-great grandfather, William Lowndes Broyles, his brother went to Virginia to claim the body and bring it home. Marcellus and his brother, Walter are buried, I am told at Mt. Cumberland Cemetary in Dalton GA with their mother, Lucinda Nash Broyles. I would love to have a photo of thier graves if anyone lives near. I have a photo of their father, Cain Broyles' grave, he is buried at Shady Grove Baptist Church near Belton, SC. the story is told that when William Lowndes returned with the body, he was covered with lice and would not come into the house. He took his clothes off in the yard and had them boiled and he bathed in the yard before comming in the house.

At 7/14/04 07:58 AM Wednesday, Gene Fricks wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Actually, the "b and p shift" (also v and f) in some of the German >dialects is fairly well documented lingusitically and can, within reason, >be used to infer a time period when someone left Europe for America. > >Gene > > >.As Steve Broyles so nicely pointed out, certain letters were >interchangeable, even in the "mother tongue" -- B's and P's, T's and D's, >etc., were often interchanged in German, even in the "old country". **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hi Gene, Yes, I forgot to include the "V" to "F" shift. And you are absolutely correct in that one can generally infer a time period by studying these "shifts". Look at "VOLK". "V" shifted to "F", "K" shifted to "G", thus "FOLG". Let's not forget that, in German, "V" is pronounced as "F", "W" is pronounced as "V", etc. "Volkswagen" would sound to the "English ear" as "Folksvagen". The English-ears heard, and usually wrote down the actual sounds as they heard them. Did you ever hear the story of the fellow who emigrated to NJ? He was from one of the "Slavic" countries, where the name-ending "-ich" indicated that the name-ending meant "son of". His name was "GABICH", meaning "Son of Gab" (Gahb-long 'A':). If you're from the NYC/NJ area, you know that "garbage" is pronounced just like the surname "GABICH"! After he had been in American for a short while, he soon realized that people were calling him "garbage". Didn't take long for him to change his surname! Regards, SgtGeorge George W. Durman SMSgt (Ret), USAF -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.7 - Release Date: 7/19/04

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How well I know about the b and p. My maiden name was Bender and the Mennonites thoroughly researched the family back to Germany. Yet the first immigrant's name is written Pender on his immigration records. But it is still Bender in Germany as far as I know. Today I proceed very cautiously. I am very reluctant to post my Gedcom on the internet because research is an ongoing process, we edit and date our updates. Back in 1986 I was certain I had found the will of one of my ancestors and had included it in one of my manuscripts. Seventeen years later, I discover that another party claimed the writer of the will came from Ireland in 1784 and they even had been back to Ireland and found christening records for two or three children. Whooooaaaaa! I knew for a fact (ahem!) that my ancestor was already here in 1780 when he witnessed the will of a man whose son continued to be his neighbor. Two men of very similar names living at the same time in the same area and dying about the same time. It happens. I can correct my manuscripts today but I find the error all over the internet today that others have copied from my book published in 1990. Another relative had the same thing happen with a book she published in 1976. Two Davids, exact same surname, same place, same time, only one year's difference in age but one died twenty four years before the other. Before the internet these errors remained hidden for many years and now one by one we are either verifying or discrediting fact after fact with census records, etc. But do you think I can get others to correct that error that was mine originally. Nayyyy! I will live with that the rest of my life. Norma Jennings

Actually, the "b and p shift" (also v and f) in some of the German dialects is fairly well documented lingusitically and can, within reason, be used to infer a time period when someone left Europe for America. Gene .As Steve Broyles so nicely pointed out, certain letters were interchangeable, even in the "mother tongue" -- B's and P's, T's and D's, etc., were often interchanged in German, even in the "old country".

At 7/13/04 08:49 AM Tuesday, JKBroyles wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I have been doing research for over 40 years and have never seen the names >Barth and Bird interchanged. >(snip) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Right on, Ken! Same here, although I've not been doing genealogy research nearly as long as you have. That's why I look at those referenced Web/Internet databases with a critical eye, and fail to accept them because of a questioning, disbelieving mind. And that goes for the supposed "sources" (books and other publications) that are used in those databases. Heaven knows that we have seen our share of erroneous data from supposed "experts" and "masters" in the genealogies of our many Germanna families, as John Blankenbaker has so often pointed out. IMHO, "someone", or, perhaps, "some authors", so desperately wanted to connect his/her/their "John BYRD/BIRD" to "someone", he/she/they looked for dates, places, names, etc., that matched their "John BYRD/BIRD" and chanced upon one "Johann Ludwig BARTH". Then, they just connected "John BYRD/BIRD" to "Johann Ludwig BARTH", figuring it just "had to be so". Hell's Bells! Where are the original source documents to support such a genealogy tree?! Genealogy is not "guess work" -- it's years of searching for those original source documents to connect back to some original emigrant ancestor. Then, when someone quotes one of those questionable databases as a source for something, he/she just adds to the errors. To add insult to injury, when that person even misquotes the questionable database, trying to provide the data from an obvious faulty memory, he/she should just give up genealogy and take up knitting. BTW, the original poster that started this thread just emailed me and called me an "a__h___". (That's "arschloch" in German.) Guess the poster didn't appreciate my questioning the original statement, and my subsequent private correspondence attempting to give a little advice. (One of the reasons I was called an "arschloch" was that I use the personal ID of "SgtGeorge". I was told that I was "impersonating an officer", and that, once retired, could no longer use "Sergeant" as part of my ID. Go figure! Regards, SgtGeorge George W. Durman SMSgt (Ret), USAF (Yes, even though I'm retired, I am STILL a verdammt Sergeant!) -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.4.2 - Release Date: 7/12/04