Looking for descendants of University of Arkansas coach Frank Broyles. I believe his wife is a descendant of Lydia/Lidia Walthall, sister of my g grandmother. Look forward to meeting you! Raymond Mays, San Angelo, TX

You'll find him as "Hans Jacob" in the christening records. He was a twin to Conrad, but Conrad died young because they reused the name with a later child. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~george/micro_k.html "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> on 05/13/2002 01:15:27 AM Please respond to BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com cc: Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Re: Catherine Broyles/Brilles At 03/08/2002 12:18 PM Friday, AYG212001@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I descend from her parents, Johannes Broyles b. Bef. May 1, 1697, d >Abt. 1744 >and Maria Mary Catherine Fleishman b. January 26, 1703/04 Germany, d. >Bet. >1761 and 1771 VA. I have seen her fathers name as Johannes Jacob >Broyles >also. >Janice **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********** I've never seen any definite documentation proving his name was Johannes Jacob BROYLES; however, known documents do give his name as Hans Jacob BROYLES. "Hans" is just a diminutive of "Johann", therefore, it would seem likely that his full name was Johann Jacob. (Johannes as a first name was apparently only used in Germany when the person did not have a middle name. With a middle name, it should be Johann.) If anyone HAS ever seen documentation showing "Johan Jacob" or "Johannes Jacob", PLEASE let us know what it is. (I've also often seen "Jacob A." and "Hans Jacob A." as his name. Don't know where in the world the "A." came from, but I believe it be seriously in error.) George ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: georgedurman@home.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This has been an interesting thread. Roy is correct that it is possible someone with the name Broyles/Briles came to this country after Johannes (or, much more likely, that they were given that name upon arrival). That we have not yet encountered this does not mean that we won't at some point in the future. But I think we miss an important point and that is that there are plenty of people carrying the Broyles/Briles name who are not, or might not be, related by blood to the immigrant. Adopted children are one route, and the descendants of slaves are another. At 01:23 05/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, all BROYLES in America are descendants of John BROYLES George, How do we KNOW that? Isn't there a chance that some immigrant named BROYLES came across that we don't know about? Roy Patton ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: georgedurman@home.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

They did not give a location in Keith books. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <dltzba@neb.rr.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Emma Loretta BROYLES b. April 18, 1880 IL Ken, What area are your BROYLES from? Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Broyles" <jkbroyles@icx.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Emma Loretta BROYLES b. April 18, 1880 IL > Lisa I have a Emma Loretta Broyles, b. 30, July 1877, d. 22, Oct. 1901.the > dau. of George W. Broyles and 2nd Savannah Savage. George was son of > Gimmason or Gimison Broyles. No further information on them. > George was md. 2 times. 1st to Mary Eliza Harmon. 1 child by 1st wife and 3 > by 2nd wife. I have no more on Emma > Ken Broyles jkbroyles@icx.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa" <dltzba@neb.rr.com> > To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:39 PM > Subject: [BROYLES] Emma Loretta BROYLES b. April 18, 1880 IL > > Does anyone have Emma Loretta BROYLES in their family tree? She was b. > April 18, 1880 IL (don't know where in IL). She d. Oct. 15, 1956 (I'm not > sure if this death date is correct) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. She may > be buried at Independence, Jackson Co., MO. She m. Henry Burch "Burt" WEST > Oct. 1894. He was b. May 28, 1874 Columbus, Franklin Co., OH; d. Oct. 15, > 1956 (I'm not sure if this death date is correct, as it is the same date > Emma died) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. Their children were Goldie WEST, > Ora WEST, Martha WEST, Beulah WEST, and Gladys WEST. > > Need more information on Emma to find out who her parents were. Does anyone > have the IL state census index for 1880? Thanks for any help you can give > me. > > Lisa > (a new subscriber to this list) ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Ken, What area are your BROYLES from? Lisa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Broyles" <jkbroyles@icx.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Emma Loretta BROYLES b. April 18, 1880 IL > Lisa I have a Emma Loretta Broyles, b. 30, July 1877, d. 22, Oct. 1901.the > dau. of George W. Broyles and 2nd Savannah Savage. George was son of > Gimmason or Gimison Broyles. No further information on them. > George was md. 2 times. 1st to Mary Eliza Harmon. 1 child by 1st wife and 3 > by 2nd wife. I have no more on Emma > Ken Broyles jkbroyles@icx.net > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lisa" <dltzba@neb.rr.com> > To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:39 PM > Subject: [BROYLES] Emma Loretta BROYLES b. April 18, 1880 IL > > Does anyone have Emma Loretta BROYLES in their family tree? She was b. > April 18, 1880 IL (don't know where in IL). She d. Oct. 15, 1956 (I'm not > sure if this death date is correct) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. She may > be buried at Independence, Jackson Co., MO. She m. Henry Burch "Burt" WEST > Oct. 1894. He was b. May 28, 1874 Columbus, Franklin Co., OH; d. Oct. 15, > 1956 (I'm not sure if this death date is correct, as it is the same date > Emma died) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. Their children were Goldie WEST, > Ora WEST, Martha WEST, Beulah WEST, and Gladys WEST. > > Need more information on Emma to find out who her parents were. Does anyone > have the IL state census index for 1880? Thanks for any help you can give > me. > > Lisa > (a new subscriber to this list)

Lisa I have a Emma Loretta Broyles, b. 30, July 1877, d. 22, Oct. 1901.the dau. of George W. Broyles and 2nd Savannah Savage. George was son of Gimmason or Gimison Broyles. No further information on them. George was md. 2 times. 1st to Mary Eliza Harmon. 1 child by 1st wife and 3 by 2nd wife. I have no more on Emma Ken Broyles jkbroyles@icx.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa" <dltzba@neb.rr.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: [BROYLES] Emma Loretta BROYLES b. April 18, 1880 IL Does anyone have Emma Loretta BROYLES in their family tree? She was b. April 18, 1880 IL (don't know where in IL). She d. Oct. 15, 1956 (I'm not sure if this death date is correct) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. She may be buried at Independence, Jackson Co., MO. She m. Henry Burch "Burt" WEST Oct. 1894. He was b. May 28, 1874 Columbus, Franklin Co., OH; d. Oct. 15, 1956 (I'm not sure if this death date is correct, as it is the same date Emma died) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. Their children were Goldie WEST, Ora WEST, Martha WEST, Beulah WEST, and Gladys WEST. Need more information on Emma to find out who her parents were. Does anyone have the IL state census index for 1880? Thanks for any help you can give me. Lisa (a new subscriber to this list) ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does anyone have Emma Loretta BROYLES in their family tree? She was b. April 18, 1880 IL (don't know where in IL). She d. Oct. 15, 1956 (I'm not sure if this death date is correct) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. She may be buried at Independence, Jackson Co., MO. She m. Henry Burch "Burt" WEST Oct. 1894. He was b. May 28, 1874 Columbus, Franklin Co., OH; d. Oct. 15, 1956 (I'm not sure if this death date is correct, as it is the same date Emma died) at Knobnoster, Johnson Co., MO. Their children were Goldie WEST, Ora WEST, Martha WEST, Beulah WEST, and Gladys WEST. Need more information on Emma to find out who her parents were. Does anyone have the IL state census index for 1880? Thanks for any help you can give me. Lisa (a new subscriber to this list)

I find it very interesting on how one can take the name Deutchland and make it into Germany. Having spent 16 months there while in service helped to learn the correct pronounciation of it and it's southern neighbor Osteriech, which all others call Austria. I wonder why mankind is to lazy to learn what they deem are difficult names or words to pronounce. I believe that the english language first speakers are more likely to be ones who do this. Makes one go hmmm. Shahid Raki On Wed, 15 May 2002 14:00:13 -0600 BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

My Great Grandfather, Leroy Adrian Broyles (1891 - 1925) was the adopted son of Eugene B. Broyles (1870 - 1926) and Malissa Dodson 1874 - 1942). They lived in Louisville, Kentucky. Does anyone have information about the adoption? Ann Heinz

I have 11 Julia A. Broyles, and none of them checks with your information. The dates do not match. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <Atsissie1@aol.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 4:16 AM Subject: [BROYLES] Julia A. Broyles - Washington Co. Tennessee Does anyone know who the parents of Julia A. Broyles b. 12 Nov 1826 d 11 Oct 1883 Washington Co. Tn married abt 1847 John Miller b 18 Jun 1826 d 1903/1905. children: Oliver N. 1848; Sarah abt 1851; Martha 1856; Caroline 1861; Andrew J. 1863; James B. 1867. Andrew and James were both Elder in Philadelphia Cumberland Presbyterian Church. Not sure yet if Julia and John Miller are buried here, but will be checking it out probably tomorrow. Carolyn ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== You can contact the List Manager at: georgedurman@home.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I think my question has been misinterpreted. I understand that the name has been spelled in a number of ways and that all of them are acceptable. The only question I had was one concerning the statement that: "Yes, all BROYLES in America are descendants of John BROYLES" I realize that the line has been thoroughly researched and that the ones on this list can trace their lineage back to John Broyles, and other spellings of the name. The line has not been so thoroughly researched that all possible questions have been resolved; reference the not infrequent remarks about "brick walls", etc. Therefore, I believe it is misleading to make an assumption that everyone who spells his name BROYLES is automatically and inerrently descended from our John BROYLES. I have been told my doubt about ALL named BROYLES being necessarily descended from one man flies in the face of reality. It does not do that at all. It simply implies that none of us know everything. Roy Patton

----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Patton" <rpatton@pipeline.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] broyles At 02:08 05/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: > So far every person descended from a BROYLES, BRILES, etc., has >eventually been able to trace his/her ancestry back to the ONE >emigrant, who arrived in America in 1717 from Germany. > >Your question flies in the face of all genealogy research done to >date on this family. >George > > George, Your reply makes sense if everyone is a conscientious genealogist. I was thinking about the old boy who doesn't give a flip about genealogy so he hasn't bothered to check in with us and tell us he's here. His father is named BROYLES and he came to this country about 40 or 50 years ago and our people didn't spot him as he stepped off the ship. It only takes one male to start a family name. I have another line where the story has always been that "all ****** in this country are descended from Andrew ***** who came to America before they split up into Colonies." That story has recently bit the dust when some ******'s were found who came to New York, of all places. I have another line where the story has always been that "all ^^^^^^ in this country are descended from Jonathan ^^^^^ who came to Baltimore." That story recently bit the dust when some ^^^^^'s were found who had never heard of Baltimore. Roy Patton ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In the years that I have been researching the Broyles family. I have found 30 odd spellings of our name. It is the miss-spelling of our name that has confused people of those years. We blamed it on the English not speaking German and Germans not speaking English. It was even spelled several different ways in Germany. So what different does it make. I like the spelling of BROYLES , but I spell it the way I find it in my research. I'm pretty sure there has been other that came to America after our fore fathers. Ken Broyles ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy Patton" <rpatton@pipeline.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] broyles At 02:08 05/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: > So far every person descended from a BROYLES, BRILES, etc., has >eventually been able to trace his/her ancestry back to the ONE >emigrant, who arrived in America in 1717 from Germany. > >Your question flies in the face of all genealogy research done to >date on this family. >George > > George, Your reply makes sense if everyone is a conscientious genealogist. I was thinking about the old boy who doesn't give a flip about genealogy so he hasn't bothered to check in with us and tell us he's here. His father is named BROYLES and he came to this country about 40 or 50 years ago and our people didn't spot him as he stepped off the ship. It only takes one male to start a family name. I have another line where the story has always been that "all ****** in this country are descended from Andrew ***** who came to America before they split up into Colonies." That story has recently bit the dust when some ******'s were found who came to New York, of all places. I have another line where the story has always been that "all ^^^^^^ in this country are descended from Jonathan ^^^^^ who came to Baltimore." That story recently bit the dust when some ^^^^^'s were found who had never heard of Baltimore. Roy Patton ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I work with a man named John Briehl which is the more modern day spelling. His father came here from Germany. Although it is hard to be positive I think it likely that most Broyles are descendants from Germania.

At 02:08 05/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: > So far every person descended from a BROYLES, BRILES, etc., has >eventually been able to trace his/her ancestry back to the ONE >emigrant, who arrived in America in 1717 from Germany. > >Your question flies in the face of all genealogy research done to >date on this family. >George > > George, Your reply makes sense if everyone is a conscientious genealogist. I was thinking about the old boy who doesn't give a flip about genealogy so he hasn't bothered to check in with us and tell us he's here. His father is named BROYLES and he came to this country about 40 or 50 years ago and our people didn't spot him as he stepped off the ship. It only takes one male to start a family name. I have another line where the story has always been that "all ****** in this country are descended from Andrew ***** who came to America before they split up into Colonies." That story has recently bit the dust when some ******'s were found who came to New York, of all places. I have another line where the story has always been that "all ^^^^^^ in this country are descended from Jonathan ^^^^^ who came to Baltimore." That story recently bit the dust when some ^^^^^'s were found who had never heard of Baltimore. Roy Patton

At 05/13/2002 04:37 PM Monday, Roy Patton wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >At 01:23 05/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: > > >Yes, all BROYLES in America are descendants of John BROYLES > >George, > >How do we KNOW that? Isn't there a chance that some immigrant >named BROYLES came across that we don't know about? > >Roy Patton **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********** Well, if there were another BROYLES emigrant who came after, or before, old Johannes (John), no one has EVER discovered him. No official records, no wills, no bible records, etc. So far every person descended from a BROYLES, BRILES, etc., has eventually been able to trace his/her ancestry back to the ONE emigrant, who arrived in America in 1717 from Germany. Your question flies in the face of all genealogy research done to date on this family. IF someone does eventually find a BROYLES line that does NOT "seem" to descend from John, THEN we may raise that question. This family has been so thoroughly researched that IF there HAD been another BROYLES emigrant, he/she would have surely become known by now. George

Message text written by INTERNET:BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com >At 01:23 05/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, all BROYLES in America are descendants of John BROYLES George, How do we KNOW that? Isn't there a chance that some immigrant named BROYLES came across that we don't know about? Roy Patton < Dear Roy, There never was an immigrant named "Broyles". That is an Anglicized version of our ancestors. Of later immigrants, especially in MO in the mid to late 1800s there were "Bruhl", "Breil", "Brohl", "Brill", etc. The "u" and "o" spellings had an umlaut. I am convinced that as time passed in America the spelling became the English family spelling of "Boyles" with an "r" added to sound like our German family annuciation "Broyles". This is definitely an Anglicized name. It was never the original German spelling for even our Germanna family. Jim Albin

At 01:23 05/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: >Yes, all BROYLES in America are descendants of John BROYLES George, How do we KNOW that? Isn't there a chance that some immigrant named BROYLES came across that we don't know about? Roy Patton

At 03/19/2002 11:02 PM Tuesday, Sweetnothn666@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/245 > >Message Board Post: > >I read that all the broyles here in america are from Johanas Broyles >all >of us are related. Capt. scott brought him over to america from >germany. **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********** Yes, all BROYLES in America are descendants of John BROYLES (Johannes BREYHEL/BREHEL/etc.). Johannes was a member of the "2nd Colony", but came over on the ship "Scott", whose captain was Tarbett. George (P.S. The following variations of the name are also descendants of the original emigrant: BROYLE, BROYL, BRILES, BRILE, BRYLE, BRYLES, BROILES, BROILE, BROIL, and so on.)

At 03/08/2002 12:18 PM Friday, AYG212001@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >I descend from her parents, Johannes Broyles b. Bef. May 1, 1697, d >Abt. 1744 >and Maria Mary Catherine Fleishman b. January 26, 1703/04 Germany, d. >Bet. >1761 and 1771 VA. I have seen her fathers name as Johannes Jacob >Broyles >also. >Janice **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********** I've never seen any definite documentation proving his name was Johannes Jacob BROYLES; however, known documents do give his name as Hans Jacob BROYLES. "Hans" is just a diminutive of "Johann", therefore, it would seem likely that his full name was Johann Jacob. (Johannes as a first name was apparently only used in Germany when the person did not have a middle name. With a middle name, it should be Johann.) If anyone HAS ever seen documentation showing "Johan Jacob" or "Johannes Jacob", PLEASE let us know what it is. (I've also often seen "Jacob A." and "Hans Jacob A." as his name. Don't know where in the world the "A." came from, but I believe it be seriously in error.) George