Well done, George. Any idea yet as to Benj Broyles' wife's name? Benj s/o Jacob gs/o John & Ursula. Cuz, Joyce

the dictionary lists Squire as a country Gentleman,Justice of the peace, ----- Original Message ----- From: "George W. Durman" <GermannaResearch@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Re: SQUIRES At 10/4/03 10:22 PM Saturday, GarberBBF@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Hi Sgt.George: >I saw the following that you wrote on the Germanna List. > > When I was young I can remember that all >the people referred to the "High Sheriff" and the "Under Sheriffs", >even though those terms were not officially still in use. Guess >old terms hang around for many generations. Also, there were >elected positions for Constables, but they were referred to in >general conversation by the old English name "Squires". I can >distinctly remember "Squire Broyles", "Squire Brown", etc. > >In the book "The Land of the Lake: an early history of Campbell >County, (TN)" by G. I. Ridenour, it is mentioned on page 65 that >Felix Broyles was a squire. I was wondering if you could tell me >what records are kept in Tennessee counties that would help me >prove that Felix Broyles was a deputy. >Thank you, Bonnie in Virginia **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hello Bonnie, First, if Felix was listed as a "Squire", he was not a "deputy". Deputies were hired by the elected Sheriff. Constables (Squires) were elected also. Second, I'm not at all familiar with what records might prove that Felix was elected as a Justice of the Peace or as a Constable. Such records would be part of Courthouse records that had to do with election results. Also, one might find such evidence in newspaper coverage of elections in that time frame. Regards, SgtGeorge ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

At 10/21/03 10:10 AM Tuesday, Broyles wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Thank you George. This is as bad as the one that said Broyles was >Irish. >Ken > > >(This was posted on the BROYLES Message Board at Rootsweb > >and was ported to the BROYLES Mailing List.) > > > >First of all, let me set the original question to rest. NO, the > >BROYLES family was not Jewish! >(snipped) **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hi Ken, Yes, we run into all kinds of problems when accepting just any information posted anywhere on the net/web, or even in publications. This just proves the point that genealogy researchers should ALWAYS insist on documentation (original written proof) before accepting any "new" or "different/changed" data. Too many researchers go on "gut instinct" or "hunches" or "logic" when putting together their information. There is NOTHING that will substitute for written documentation!!!!! Sometimes, family lore/stories is helpful for getting CLUES to where written documentation might be found, but must always be taken with a "grain of salt". Regards, SgtGeorge

At 10/13/03 04:18 PM Monday, Dr. Kathryn Brown wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Hello- >I see that you have Hans Jacob and Maria married before coming to >America. Do you know where and when they were married if not >in VA? >Kathy > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <silverdovexx@comcast.net> >Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:30 AM >Subject: [BROYLES] Re: Broyles Jewish Ancestry > > > > Hans Jacob Broyles (1705, Oteisheim, Wuttemburg, Germany) > > married Maria Fleishman, then came to America. **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hello Kathy, The original poster "silverdovexx@comcast.net" is in error! Hans Jacob was christened 26 March 1705 in Ötisheim, Württemberg, in what is present-day Germany. He emigrated with his family to the Colonies in 1717; therefore, he would have been 12 years old at that time, much too young to have married in Ötisheim. He was actually married in 1727 in what is now Spotsylvania Co., VA, 10 years after arriving in America. Incidentally, the original poster seems to have not done his/her research very thoroughly. The BROYLES/BREYHEL/BRUEL/ BREHEL/BRILES family was not Jewish. Hans Jacob did not marry in Germany. If one doesn't use the German "umlauts" in names, the correct spelling is "Oetisheim", not "Oteisheim". Just another example why one should be very wary of data just haphazardly strewn about on the internet/web, even on our Rootsweb Lists and Boards. If the original poster had just taken a look at Steve Broyles data, or looked on our website, he/she would have seen the original documents there and would have known the true facts. Regards, SgtGeorge

At 10/4/03 10:22 PM Saturday, GarberBBF@aol.com wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* >Hi Sgt.George: >I saw the following that you wrote on the Germanna List. > > When I was young I can remember that all >the people referred to the "High Sheriff" and the "Under Sheriffs", >even though those terms were not officially still in use. Guess >old terms hang around for many generations. Also, there were >elected positions for Constables, but they were referred to in >general conversation by the old English name "Squires". I can >distinctly remember "Squire Broyles", "Squire Brown", etc. > >In the book "The Land of the Lake: an early history of Campbell >County, (TN)" by G. I. Ridenour, it is mentioned on page 65 that >Felix Broyles was a squire. I was wondering if you could tell me >what records are kept in Tennessee counties that would help me >prove that Felix Broyles was a deputy. >Thank you, Bonnie in Virginia **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Hello Bonnie, First, if Felix was listed as a "Squire", he was not a "deputy". Deputies were hired by the elected Sheriff. Constables (Squires) were elected also. Second, I'm not at all familiar with what records might prove that Felix was elected as a Justice of the Peace or as a Constable. Such records would be part of Courthouse records that had to do with election results. Also, one might find such evidence in newspaper coverage of elections in that time frame. Regards, SgtGeorge

At 8/25/03 11:09 PM Monday, Carol Roy wrote: *********START OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT********* > >Could you please explain. what a squire was? > >According to the dictionary. One who is a justice of the peace, local >judge, or other local dignitary in county districts and small towns. **********END OF ORIGINAL MESSAGE TEXT*********** Carol, you are correct. Justices of the Peace are elected officials in some counties. The old English word for such a position was "Squire", so that name seems to have persisted from Colonial times down to fairly recently. In most places, a Squire served warrants, could perform mariages, had the power to make arrests, etc. Things that most Deputy Sheriffs do today. Regards, SgtGeorge

Thank you George. This is as bad as the one that said Broyles was Irish. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: <georgewdurman@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 AM Subject: [BROYLES] Re: Broyles Jewish Ancestry info This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/273.3.2 Message Board Post: (This was posted on the BROYLES Message Board at Rootsweb and was ported to the BROYLES Mailing List.) First of all, let me set the original question to rest. NO, the BROYLES family was not Jewish! That said, let me explain that just because names "seem" to be Jewish does not mean they ARE Jewish. I'm not sure exactly whether those discussing this issue are referring to surnames or given names, but there is no such thing as "Jewish" names! Just because a surname ends in "...mann" (such as Fleischmann) does not make it Jewish. Just because surnames used in that part of Europe at that time "seemed" Jewish does not make then Jewish. The Christians of that time (1600-1700) used names from the Bible!!!!! e.g., Isaac, Isaah, Benjamin, Jacob , Matthias, Simeon (Simon), Aaron, Abraham, Absalom, Daniel, David, Ephraim, Ezekial (Ezekiel), Joseph, Joshua, Levi, Melchisadec, Samuel, Solomon, and so on, and so on. There are Parish records of our BROYLES ancestors back beyond 1600; they belonged to CHRISTIAN churches! Before that, there is evidence they came from France where their ancestors had been Catholic. So questions of Jewish ancestry can be laid to rest. As to Ursual RUOP, her family also can be traced back through the Christian church. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm NOT trying to defend the ethnic/religious heritage of our BROYLES ancestors out of any dislike of or prejudice toward people of Jewish heritage. I would be proud to have Jewish heritage, it's just that you're not going to find any Jews among the Germanna Colonists! So, to those who look at names and think "Jewish", why does it matter? Does that make them any more or any less our ancestors? Does that make them any more or any less important? There are none of us that are of "pure" descent from any ethnic/religious group. Don't you know that Americans are the result of the merging of practically every group of people in the world? Look at your money sometime -- "E Pluribus Unum" -- "One From Many"! Regards, George W. Durman ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/IOG.2ACIB/273.3.2 Message Board Post: (This was posted on the BROYLES Message Board at Rootsweb and was ported to the BROYLES Mailing List.) First of all, let me set the original question to rest. NO, the BROYLES family was not Jewish! That said, let me explain that just because names "seem" to be Jewish does not mean they ARE Jewish. I'm not sure exactly whether those discussing this issue are referring to surnames or given names, but there is no such thing as "Jewish" names! Just because a surname ends in "...mann" (such as Fleischmann) does not make it Jewish. Just because surnames used in that part of Europe at that time "seemed" Jewish does not make then Jewish. The Christians of that time (1600-1700) used names from the Bible!!!!! e.g., Isaac, Isaah, Benjamin, Jacob , Matthias, Simeon (Simon), Aaron, Abraham, Absalom, Daniel, David, Ephraim, Ezekial (Ezekiel), Joseph, Joshua, Levi, Melchisadec, Samuel, Solomon, and so on, and so on. There are Parish records of our BROYLES ancestors back beyond 1600; they belonged to CHRISTIAN churches! Before that, there is evidence they came from France where their ancestors had been Catholic. So questions of Jewish ancestry can be laid to rest. As to Ursual RUOP, her family also can be traced back through the Christian church. Now, don't get me wrong. I'm NOT trying to defend the ethnic/religious heritage of our BROYLES ancestors out of any dislike of or prejudice toward people of Jewish heritage. I would be proud to have Jewish heritage, it's just that you're not going to find any Jews among the Germanna Colonists! So, to those who look at names and think "Jewish", why does it matter? Does that make them any more or any less our ancestors? Does that make them any more or any less important? There are none of us that are of "pure" descent from any ethnic/religious group. Don't you know that Americans are the result of the merging of practically every group of people in the world? Look at your money sometime -- "E Pluribus Unum" -- "One From Many"! Regards, George W. Durman

Thank you. I though he was young when he came to America. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <steve.broyles@teradyne.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Hans Jacob's marriage > > This is surely an error. Jacob was 12 when he came to the Virginia in > 1717. > > > > > "Dr. Kathryn > Brown" To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com > <drbrown@peoplep cc: > c.com> Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Re: Broyles Jewish Ancestry info > > 10/13/2003 04:18 > PM > Please respond > to BROYLES-L > > > > > > > Hello- > I see that you have Hans Jacob and Maria married before coming to America. > Do you know where and when they were married if not in VA? > Kathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <silverdovexx@comcast.net> > To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:30 AM > Subject: [BROYLES] Re: Broyles Jewish Ancestry info > Message Board Post: > > > > Hans Jacob Broyles (1705, Oteisheim, Wuttemburg, Germany) married Maria > Fleishman, then came to America. > > > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: > BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: > BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

This is surely an error. Jacob was 12 when he came to the Virginia in 1717. "Dr. Kathryn Brown" To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com <drbrown@peoplep cc: c.com> Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Re: Broyles Jewish Ancestry info 10/13/2003 04:18 PM Please respond to BROYLES-L Hello- I see that you have Hans Jacob and Maria married before coming to America. Do you know where and when they were married if not in VA? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <silverdovexx@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: [BROYLES] Re: Broyles Jewish Ancestry info Message Board Post: > > Hans Jacob Broyles (1705, Oteisheim, Wuttemburg, Germany) married Maria Fleishman, then came to America. ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello- I see that you have Hans Jacob and Maria married before coming to America. Do you know where and when they were married if not in VA? Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: <silverdovexx@comcast.net> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 4:30 AM Subject: [BROYLES] Re: Broyles Jewish Ancestry info Message Board Post: > > Hans Jacob Broyles (1705, Oteisheim, Wuttemburg, Germany) married Maria Fleishman, then came to America.

----- Original Message ----- From: <DailyRacing@aol.com> To: <BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 7:40 PM Subject: [BROYLES] Aaron Broyles. 1767 VA, USA > Does anyone have the parents for Nancy Davis, wife of Aaron Broyles? Thanks, > Linda > > > ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: > BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) > BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) > Subject: unsubscribe > In the body include only one word: unsubscribe > (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 I ran across this old e-mail when looking thru my outlook express. I am the gggg granddaughter of Aaron Broyles and ggg granddaughter of Aaron, Jr. My father was Doyle Broyles and my grandfather was Clinton Broyles, his father was Andrew, and his father Aaron Jr., etc.. I have had a genealogist researching my decendents for Indian decent and she has come to some dead ends. Did you ever get an answer as to who Nancy Davis's parents were. Just interested? Could you a-mail me back @ spirit@e-journey.com. Thanks, Jean

I don't know if William was ever in McNairy Co. You'll need to do some research in McNairy Co. and White Co. to try to firm up the theory. It sounds like there might be a marriage record in McNairy Co. Tax and land records might show the arrival/departure dates. On further reflection, William A. Broyles was pretty consistent in his use of his middle initial, so that got me wondering why the pension didn't say William A. Briles. Perhaps William Briles was the bride's brother, not father (though I've only ever seen this kind of thing as the father). Back to the database I went. Check out Andrew Briles at this page http://users.rcn.com/deeds/broyles/html/d0002/g0000046.htm Andrew lived in Hardeman and Fayette Cos., TN, and died in 1845. He has a son William Briles and two unnamed daughters of the right age to be Rosannah. McNairy is to the east of Fayette, so it's in the wrong direction, and William is found in the Fayette Co. census of 1850, so that doesn't work in favor of this theory either, but he's a full-blooded Briles. "Jenny Garner" <jwgarner@texas. To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com net> cc: Subject: Re: [BROYLES] Broyles or Briles marrying a Young 10/06/2003 09:31 PM Please respond to BROYLES-L Steve, do you have any idea if William Briles (Broyles) was ever in McNairy Co., TN? Thanks for your help. Jenny Garner jwgarner@texas.net > Under the assumption that the William Briles that is named in in the > pension record was Rosannah's father, I looked at all of the Broyles/Briles > in my database to see if I could find a candidate. William A. Broyles, > born c. 1790, is a good match. According to census records he has 4 > daughters whose names are not known born in the period 1815-25. William > lived in White Co., TN, for a number of years, but then moved to Illiinois > by 1850 (where he is given as a Briles), then Mississippi County, Arkansas. > Obviously some more work would be needed in order to prove a connection. > > See the following page for information on William. > http://users.rcn.com/deeds/broyles/html/d0005/g0000090.htm#I183 > > Does anyone have a Rosannah (Roseannah, Rosanna) Broyles (Briles) marrying > a James Henry Young ca September 1843 or 1846? The pension record we have > on a James Henry Young states that his wife, Rosannah, was a Briles and > that they married in McNairy Co. TN on Sept. 13th 1846 in the house of > William Briles. The Rev. John Jones did the ceremony and he from the > Baptist Church. But in another section it states the date was Sept 10 > 1843. The Young family were in TN, MS, and AR. Can anyone help on these > families? Thanks! ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Steve, do you have any idea if William Briles (Broyles) was ever in McNairy Co., TN? Thanks for your help. Jenny Garner jwgarner@texas.net > Under the assumption that the William Briles that is named in in the > pension record was Rosannah's father, I looked at all of the Broyles/Briles > in my database to see if I could find a candidate. William A. Broyles, > born c. 1790, is a good match. According to census records he has 4 > daughters whose names are not known born in the period 1815-25. William > lived in White Co., TN, for a number of years, but then moved to Illiinois > by 1850 (where he is given as a Briles), then Mississippi County, Arkansas. > Obviously some more work would be needed in order to prove a connection. > > See the following page for information on William. > http://users.rcn.com/deeds/broyles/html/d0005/g0000090.htm#I183 > > Does anyone have a Rosannah (Roseannah, Rosanna) Broyles (Briles) marrying > a James Henry Young ca September 1843 or 1846? The pension record we have > on a James Henry Young states that his wife, Rosannah, was a Briles and > that they married in McNairy Co. TN on Sept. 13th 1846 in the house of > William Briles. The Rev. John Jones did the ceremony and he from the > Baptist Church. But in another section it states the date was Sept 10 > 1843. The Young family were in TN, MS, and AR. Can anyone help on these > families? Thanks!

Under the assumption that the William Briles that is named in in the pension record was Rosannah's father, I looked at all of the Broyles/Briles in my database to see if I could find a candidate. William A. Broyles, born c. 1790, is a good match. According to census records he has 4 daughters whose names are not known born in the period 1815-25. William lived in White Co., TN, for a number of years, but then moved to Illiinois by 1850 (where he is given as a Briles), then Mississippi County, Arkansas. Obviously some more work would be needed in order to prove a connection. See the following page for information on William. http://users.rcn.com/deeds/broyles/html/d0005/g0000090.htm#I183 "Jenny Garner" <jwgarner@texas. To: BROYLES-L@rootsweb.com net> cc: Subject: [BROYLES] Broyles or Briles marrying a Young 10/05/2003 01:36 PM Please respond to BROYLES-L Does anyone have a Rosannah (Roseannah, Rosanna) Broyles (Briles) marrying a James Henry Young ca September 1843 or 1846? The pension record we have on a James Henry Young states that his wife, Rosannah, was a Briles and that they married in McNairy Co. TN on Sept. 13th 1846 in the house of William Briles. The Rev. John Jones did the ceremony and he from the Baptist Church. But in another section it states the date was Sept 10 1843. The Young family were in TN, MS, and AR. Can anyone help on these families? Thanks! Jenny Garner jwgarner@texas.net ==== BROYLES Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from BROYLES, send an e-mail message to: BROYLES-L-request@rootsweb.com (for individual messages) BROYLES-D-request@rootsweb.com (for Digest mode) Subject: unsubscribe In the body include only one word: unsubscribe (Turn OFF your signature file when sending this command) ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Broyles Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IOG.2ACIB/276 Message Board Post: My great-grandmother and her brother, born in Tacoma,WA around 1900.

Does anyone have a Rosannah (Roseannah, Rosanna) Broyles (Briles) marrying a James Henry Young ca September 1843 or 1846? The pension record we have on a James Henry Young states that his wife, Rosannah, was a Briles and that they married in McNairy Co. TN on Sept. 13th 1846 in the house of William Briles. The Rev. John Jones did the ceremony and he from the Baptist Church. But in another section it states the date was Sept 10 1843. The Young family were in TN, MS, and AR. Can anyone help on these families? Thanks! Jenny Garner jwgarner@texas.net

Hi Sgt.George: I saw the following that you wrote on the Germanna List.   When I was young I can remember that all the people referred to the "High Sheriff" and the "Under Sheriffs", even though those terms were not officially still in use.  Guess old terms hang around for many generations.  Also, there were elected positions for Constables, but they were referred to in general conversation by the old English name "Squires".  I can distinctly remember "Squire Broyles", "Squire Brown", etc. In the book "The Land of the Lake: an early history of Campbell County, (TN)" by G. I. Ridenour, it is mentioned on page 65 that Felix Broyles was a squire. I was wondering if you could tell me what records are kept in Tennessee counties that would help me prove that Felix Broyles was a deputy. Thank you, Bonnie in Virginia

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/IOG.2ACIB/37.38.39.40.53.1 Message Board Post: My father is Bert Lambert. Please send any information you have on Bert Lambert.

Again, to have even a remote possibility, one would have to check the laws of the principality (I seem to recall that Fleischmann came from Wurttemburg) to see if Jews were permitted surnames at the time that Fleischmann first shows up. Fleischmann seems to be a vocational related surname for someone involved in the meat or butchering trades. Gene