In a message dated 97-12-02 12:42:46 EST, you write: << I don't seem to have received the first message from Pat ([email protected]) regarding Ann McClain, wife of Thomas Brownlee, but it may yet come. I seem to get some messages very late out here in the western boonies. Here is what I have on Ann McClain which comes from Dale Armstrong and Donavan Dorsey, who took it from a History of Shelby and Moultrie Co. IL. I have for Ann's birth, 1788 in Washington Co. PA, marriage in 1809, and death ca. 1851. Dale got dates from me years ago and there were a lot of errors in the History of Shelby and Moultrie Co., IL. This birthdate wouldn't check out with the 1850 Census. Wonder if the census taker made an error and age should have been 63? That would make the other dates more logical. That does make it more logical though. I'm going to work with those dates. Thanks. Betty Rudolph >> Here was my first message: Subj: Re: The "Relative" Connection Date: 12/01/97 To: [email protected] OK, here is my most pressing problem. Thomas Brownlee was b. 1 Dec 1787 Washington Co., PA, son of James H. Brownlee and Jane Leman. I find him in the 1850 Mercer Co., IL census with wife Ann b.1797, 1860 Shelby Co., IL census with son James and family, 1870 Shelby Co., IL with grandson William and children. He is said to have married Ann McLain/McClean/McClain c1813 but Thomas' first child, James was born 25 Apr 1810. Who was James' mother and Thomas' first wife. Who is this Ann McLain? When did she die, etc. Pat This was the 2nd message-sorry I forgot to copy the list: Subj: Re: The "Relative" Connection Date: 12/01/97 To: [email protected] In a message dated 97-12-02 01:14:28 EST, you write: << can answer a bit of this, I have two different dates for Thomas's marriage, one is 1813, the other 1809, of course, Ann McClean would have been a bit young even in 1813. You probably have 2 different dates because I re-estimated her birth several years ago to correspond with the birth of the first child James in 1810. I shared that with a lot of people. She is buried with Thomas in the Cedar Creek cemetery, Sumner township, Warren county, Illinois. She died 11 February 1855. Thomas died 21 November 1871 at age 83 years. Oh my gosh! I have been looking for his burial place and probate for years! He was in Shelby Co., IL in the 1870 census and I just assumed he was buried there. Do you have anything else on him I should know? or have? Do you have anything else on Ann? Her parents, etc.? Which spelling of her name do you think is correct? These are not my line, but since they all moved to the same place in Illinois, they are somewhat easy to track. My notes for Ann read, !She is found in the 1850 Mercer county census, Ohio Grove township, age 53 and born in Pennsylvania. She is buried with her husband in the Cedar Creek Cemetery in Sumner township, Warren county, Illinois. >> Thank you so very much. If you don't have anything else, I will look for probate in Warren Co., IL when I am in Salt Lake the last of Feb. Pat