Hey everybody!!!! very few of you posted your opinion about archives and our lists. Does this mean you don't have an opinion???? Hard to believe :) I will not open it up unless I hear some responses OK (below is the latest scoop) Thanks Kay Subject: STATUS: Mailing list archives Resent-Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 20:16:17 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 19:44:04 PST From: Karen Isaacson <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] There've been lots of questions. I haven't answered most of them. Because I'm a lazy under-achiever? Nah, that's not it. The thing is, things are still a bit in flux. News, in no particular order. (But some of it is important, so skip the boring bits and read the interesting ones.) - Brian caught my flu, so hasn't had a chance yet to revise the isearch/ifetch code to allow a more sensible directory stucture, something we desperately need with over 2000 mailing lists. So no new lists have been indexed yet at http://searches.rootsweb.com/examples.html although by now I do have the old messages from all the lists (even the oft-neglected ones still on the old servers) prepared for indexing. - We observed late on Friday that when things are really rocking, the archiver software (the stuff that builds the nifty threads) interacts in an unfortunate way with the operating system. It's not a serious problem, but we may end up moving it onto a different server. If that happens, there will probably be a new URL. There probably will be a new URL anyhow, because... - Something odd happened last week. On Tuesday, I gave someone a new e-mail address, and they added it to their web page. (It was a "mailto" link, if anyone cases.) The address hadn't existed before then. On Thursday, less than 48 hours later, guess what address was spammed? We knew things were bad, yes, but that bad? OK, that bad. Given things are that bad, we've revised the approach. Brian and I had hoped to have a demo up of what we'll be doing, but the flu kept him from finishing the script, so you get me waving my hands instead. - So, what do we intend so that the web-crawlers don't scoop up all your addresses? A front door, of sorts. Anyone accessing the archives, either the threaded ones or the search engine or, ultimately, the search engine to the threaded messages, will have to come in via a particular page. The page will have a box in it. In the box, you'll type the name of the mailing list. (We'll make it robust, so that JONES, JONES-L, JONES-D, jones, Jones, etc., all work.) Then you click on "submit" and are deposited on a page (build on the fly by a cgi-bin script) that lets you search the Jones archives, or follow a link to the threaded Jones messages. Brian says he can set this up so that, once you're in the "archive area", you can easily go from page to page, but that if you try to jump into the middle, you'll instead be diverted to the front door where you have to type a list name. So no robo-crawler will be able to wander through our message bases collecting addresses, but your listmembers won't have to remember a "password" any more elaborate than the name of the list. - Recent digests (probably a month's worth) will remain available for ordering via e-mail in the usual manner. - I'm aware of two lists that index or cross-reference their messages by message number or digest number. Are there more? If there are only two, I can run a script on your existing archives to add the message and/or digest number to each message, so that you could use the search engine to call the message up that way. I don't want to promise this for your =future= messages, though. I can do this now, or I can do it later, no hurry in letting me know. - Until we can switch over to searching the threaded messages, we'll continue to update the unthreaded message base in parallel, so that all but the most recent messages will be searchable. If I can get things organized right, I'll leave the e-mail search up, but only the most recent messages will be available for searching. That should limit the amount of computer resources consumed. There will be no instruction or training or hand holding or other support for the use of the e-mail search, but if you know how to use it already and want to find a message you saw come through day before yesterday, you'll be set. I'm sorry, there just aren't enough hours in the day for me to provide "better training". - If you want your messages included in the threaded message base =now= be sure to subscribe [email protected] to your mailing list. - If you decide you don't want your messages included in the threaded and unthreaded messages bases, be sure to add the address [email protected] to the reject list for your mailing list. (Most of you can access this via the "edit selected files" button at the bottom of the utility page for your list.) If you don't do this, then on the cutover date (target: December 1st), the address [email protected] will be subscribed to your list and a threaded message base will start being built. - If you want to participate, but want to start with a clean slate, write to [email protected] and ask that your old archived messages be omitted. We can package them up and arrange for you to FTP them, if you'd like. - None of this is final. Well, if you ask me to throw away your archives, and I do, I probably won't be able to recover them. But if decide to participate, and don't like it after awhile, let us know and we can remove the search engine, threaded message base for your list, etc. - Someone commented on the mail-to's being to the poster rather than to the list, so that interesting messages might be lost. I don't know what the answer is here. On ROOTS-L, where we have 9 years and 11 months worth of archived messages, I think people would be confused if someone found a query in 1993 that they wanted to respond to, and posted their response to the list. "Those sound like my ASCHNEWITZes! Shall we compare notes?" Plus many of our lists are closed at this point, so only subscribers can post (as an aside, this isn't true of ROOTS-L, where the messages are screened), so someone responding to an archived message by writing to the list might only end up in the error bucket. Let's revisit this once we're in production, and have a better sense of the size of the problem. One thing we could do is also include an option to "post to the list" on the page. But would that be a good thing, or would that invite noise? If you have comments, I've set the Reply-to on this message to [email protected], as that seems like the best forum to explore these concerns. - - - - - - - - - --- - - - - - - - Subject: Archives Delayed ... Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:14:02 -0800 (PST) Resent-From: [email protected] Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:54:01 -0800 From: Brian Leverich <[email protected]> Reply-To: [email protected] To: [email protected] CC: "Dr. Brian Leverich" <[email protected]> Hi all - Modest bad news: Marc and Karen are ready, but I've just now finished some essential hacks down in the C++ bowels of the Isearch search engine. That's thrown the schedule off, we're going to have to delay the start of the full archive implementation. There's not a lot of work left to do, but it may be as much as two weeks before we turn the full implementation on because of the interplay of consulting assignments (Karen and I have to eat ... ), the December RSL (which comes out next weekend), and other things. That two week delay is a worst-case estimate, though -- I think we'll have most or all of the archives software online much sooner than that. Tim Pierce, if you want to get a X-NO-ARCHIVES blocker built into SmartList's procmail filters, hack fast. You have a little time ... Everybody, sorry for the delay. -B -- Dr. Brian Leverich Co-moderator, soc.genealogy.methods/GENMTD-L RootsWeb Genealogical Data Cooperative http://www.rootsweb.com/ P.O. Box 6798, Frazier Park, CA 93222-6798 [email protected]

Yesterday I went through the 1880 to 1920 Soundex for Florida looking for Brownlees. While there were none listed in 1880, by 1920 several families had settled there. I'll be glad to look up any Brownlees you might be searching for in Florida. - Don

The Richmond Times of 18 Nov 1997 lists the death of Luther J. BROWNLEE, Sr.

Sorry, I accidently hit a wrong button and sent my message before I was finished. Here's the whole message: Are all of you aware that Rootsweb has changed the process and if you click on reply when answering a news group message it will go only to the person who sent it. In order for the whole group to get it you need to click on ''reply to all' or whatever similar message your system uses. I hope we haven't missed some interesting messages. Betty

Are all of you aware that Rootsweb has changed the process and if you click on reply when answering a news group message it will go only to the person who sent it. In order for the whole group to get it you need to click on

Betty and group Not to argue with you Betty but Rootsweb has always been set up that way unless you tell it not to. The MAISER lists were set up the way you described. In any event - everyone PLEASE watch who you send it to and include us all if you can and want to. have a great T-day Kay

If anyone has information about this early SW PA settler it would be appreciated. Dave McCutchan [email protected]

Hello All If you have sent me an e-mail over the weekend, monday or today (tues) please e-mail me again if you can. Actually if you sent me an e-mail and I did not reply, I might not have gotten your original message or it was lost - netscape has been wacky lately for me - now I know why. Sorry for the inconvenience! I had a hard drive problem that was caused by Netscape. Fortunately I back up all of my design work regularly and recently backed up my e-mail folders BUT I had a several recent messages in my inbox waiting to be answered and I lost them ALL. Thanks Kay Cardwell-Davis Here are the most popular names that I correspond about: Reddick Cardwell Brownlee Acuff Sharp Dyer Crowder VanCleave Tuck Armfield Mount Boone Speer Nesbitt

While browsing at the FHL in Salt Lake recently I found a new resource, just published in 1997. There are several large volumes of birth information for the years 1873-1900 taken from WWI Draft Records. For most entries it gives the date of birth, where born, county or city draft board and in some cases where relatives can be located. There were lots of Brownlees which I will be putting on the Home page as soon as I can get to it. In the meantime, if anyone wants me to look up a particular name, let me know. Also found the following while browsing through some periodicals: Hattie (Walcott) Brownlee Gardner Obituary From THE DECATUR REVIEW, Tuesday Nov. 15, 1898 page 5 column 2. SHE WAS 106 YEARS OLD - Mrs. Hattie Gardner died Sunday morning - kept memory to the last - Until recently could walk to church unassisted. Mrs. Hattie Gardner, who had reached the remarkable age of 106 years and 1 month died at 2:10 Sunday morning at the home of her son, Henry Brownlee, 72 Railroad avenue. Mrs. Gardner�s maiden name was Hattie Walcott, and her father, John Wolcott, was a soldier in the Revolutionary War. Mrs. Gardner claimed when a girl she was employed in the household of General George Washington. She could tell many interesting things connected with colonial times. Her memory was remarkable good. She was born in Bourbon County O.,* in October 1792. She married William Brownlee in Kentucky, and with her husband moved to Indiana. At that time the Indians were very troublesome in Indiana, and a great portion of her life in that state was filled with hardships. They came to Illinois thirty-five years ago. Mr. Brownlee died in 1854. Some time later she married Lemuel Gardner, who also died many years ago. Mrs. Gardner has many descendants living in Illinois. She was the mother of twelve children. Those who are alive are Wyatt Brownlee, Mrs. James Burton, Mrs. Ann Schrantz, Henry Brownlee, James, Elizabeth and John Brownlee. Her children, grandchildren and great grandchildren number 300. On the occasion of the celebration of the one hundredth anniversary of her birth she ate at a table at which sat five generations of her family. She was extraordinarily well preserved, and apparently enjoyed the best of health until within the past year or two, when she failed fast. She was a member of the First M.E. Church, and until recent years was able to attend regularly, walking to the church. She retained her mental faculties to the last. She knew that she had to die, and she called her children around her and told them goodbye. The funeral will be held at 2 o�clock this afternoon. The services will be conducted by Rev. FINLEY. The internment will be at Greenwood. From MACON COUNTY, IL DEATH RECORDS, Reg. 2 page 121, #4677 Hattie Gardner; female; white, age 105 yr 18 das; housewife; died Nov. 13, 1898; 2:10 p.m.; widow; American; born Ohio; resident of IL 44 years; Cause - Paralytic Dementia; ill several weeks; Undertaker -Peter Perl of Decatur; Physician - W.H. Bell M.D. of Decatur. *There is no Bourbon Co. Ohio. Bourbon Co. KY created in 1785. Article about her 100th birthday on p 109 says near where Columbus is now situated. (Note from BR. If she was b. in Ohio in 1792 and md. in KY its doubtful she worked in the household of George Washington, but I'll bet she was a great story teller.) Betty Rudolph

For all descendants of Archibald Brownlee of Washington Co. PA -- I recently found a copy of Archibald's will, and a memoir written by his grandson, Joseph, son of James If any of you would like a copy e-mail me your mailing address and I'll send them along. Also found this Brownlee Family Bible Record in the Hawkeye Heritage: From the Spring 1986 issue of Hawkeye Heritage BROWNLEE FAMILY BIBLE Submitted by Clyde A. Bridger Florence Helen (Maw) Bridger acquired the very old Bible which contains these family records during October of 1985 from her cousin, Katherine Brownlie, of San Carlos, CA. On her mother�s side, Mrs. Bridger is a first cousin of Katherine Brownlie through James Ebert of Van Buren County. On her father�s side, she is a second cousin through Johnson Maw, who came from Yorkshire, England to Scott County, Iowa, ca 1836. Although the Old Testament title page is missing, the New Testament title page provides the information that the Bible was published in London during 1698 by Charles Bill and the executrix of Thomas Newcomb deceased. The material contained in the Bible was arranged for publication by Mrs. Bridger�s husband, Clyde, who also provided additional information concerning the family.. Overleaf of the New Testament Title Page William Brounlie son to Willm Brounlie at the old Kirche of Cambrynethan was Bpt on the 22nd Nov 1713 and died March � 1800. Alexander Brounlie his son born on the 11th July 1767. (Date of baptism may be 22nd Nov 1723) Inside Last Page of New Testament Alex Brownlie married to Christie Bryce on the 26th Dec 1794 who was born Dec 1774. There are familey: William, born 27th Nov 1795 John, born 30 May 1798 Archbald, born 6 Jun 1801 Isabel, born 1 April 1803 Alex�r, born 7 Feb 1805 James, born 26 Nov 1807 Robert, born 15 Dec 1809 Andrew, born 20 Dec 1816 Janet, born 7 Nov 1819 (Note: Alexander Brownlie was a native of Lanarkshire, Scotland) James and Ritchie Brownlie Familey. Married 1831. (Ritchie, wife of James Brownlie, was a Walker, born in Scotland during 1810 (See History of Scott County, Iowa, by Harry E. Downer, 1910, Vol. 2, P. 538). James Brownlie came from Canada during 1839 and settled in Long Grove, Scott County, Iowa. He died during 1893; his wife, during 1889.) Jean, born 10th Jun 1833 Isabella, born 27th May 1835 Alex�r, born 22nd May 1837 Cathrine W., born 26th May 1844 Andrew S., born 21 April 1847 Robert K., born 3 July 1849 Three additional entries are written in a different hand: Robert K. and Elizabeth P. Neil married Nov. 27, 1871 Their son Ira C.B. born April, 1873. Ira C. Married Ida Fleming June 11, 1903 Their daughter Helen Elizabeth born Apr 7, 1910 Notes: A scrap of paper tucked into the Bible contains this information: "RKB-EPN Nov 27, 1871-died Nov 17, 1874; and RKG-H.Maw Feb 2 1882-(died) Dec 3, 1932." H. Maw, Robert�s second wife, was Hannah Sarah Maw. She was born in Allen�s Grove, Scott County, Iowa, 6 Jul 1851. Her parents were Johnson and Julia Ann (Thompson) Maw. Harry Oran Brownlie, a son of Robert K., married Ruth Katherine Ebert of Van Buren County, Iowa, on 21 Jun 1915. Their children were Henrietta, Faith and Katherine, all born in Davenport, Scott County. A biographical sketch of A.D. Brownlie appears on page 1,256 of History of Scott County, Iowa, Interstate Publishing Co., 1882). He was born in Winfield Township, Scott County, on 12 Nov 1850 and appears to be the next younger brother of Robert K. Brownlie, although he is not named in the Bible.

Hi everyone, I am looking for information on a Andrew Jackson BROWNLEE that emigrated to Australia. He could possibly be the son of My James BROWNLEE and Eleanor FINICAL. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Ted.

The following death notice appeared in the Washington [D.C.] Post on 05NOV1997: DOLTON, JEAN GLORIA BROWNLEE (73) On Monday, November 3, 1997, at her home in Virginia Beach, VA, surrounded by her family. A native of New York City, Mrs. Dolton was raised in New York, London, and Chicago. She attended St. Agatha's School for Girls in New York City and graduated from Wells College in Aurora, NY. Mrs. Dolton worked at the Brookings Institution and the U. S. Department of Commerce prior to her marriage to Frederick W. Dolton in 1948. In addition to raising her family, Mrs. Dolton worked as a substitute teacher, real estate agent, and served as a volunteer for many different organizations. An avid golfer, swimmer and tennis player, she became a certified financial planner in 1991. Mrs. Dolton lived and traveled widely with her husband, an international businessman, and spoke several languages. Survivors include her husband, Frederick W. Dolton; a daughter Jayne Dolton Shaw of Lexington, VA; three sons, Michael S. Dolton of Alexandria, VA, Douglas H. Dolton of McLean, VA, and David N. Dolton of Vienna, VA; two brothers, Donald H. Brownlee of Perry Park, CO and William G. Brownlee of Chevy Chase, MD; and and 10 grandchildren. She was preceeded in death by her eldest son, Peter F. Dolton. A church service will be conducted at 3 p.m., Wednesday, November 5, 1997 at Galilee Episcopal Church in Virginia Beach by the Reverend John Burley. In lieu of flowers memorial donations may be made to Wells College, Aurora, NY 13026 or the Virginia Beach Rescue Squad, PO Box 945, Virginia Beach, VA 23451. H. D. OLIVER FUNERAL APARTMENTS, Laskin Road Chapel, is handling arrangements.

Those of you who are heavy into genealogy have probably seen this. http://www.oz.net/~cyndihow/sites.htm claims to have over 24,550 links, categorized & cross-referenced, in over 70 categories. If you haven't seen it, check it out. It's huge. Curt Finley [email protected]

The Virginian-Pilot (Norfolk, VA) of 4 Nov 1997 lists this death: Jean Gloria Brownlee Dolton, 73. Died Monday, # November 1997 at her home. Born NY City. Married Frederick W. Dolton in 1948. Survivors include husband, daughter Jayne Dolton Shaw of McLean, VA, sons Michael S. Dolton of Alexandria, VA, Douglas H. Dolton of McLean and David N. Dolton of Vienna, VA. Two brothers: Donald H. Brownlee of Perry Park, CO and William G. Brownlee of Chevy Chase, MD.

I've recently recorded information on all white Brownlees in the MS Soundex for 1880, 1900, 1910 and 1920. I hope to do the same soon for AL, TN and AR. Let me know if you need information from any of these states. - Don

From the Anchorage Daily News, 22 October 1997: Ruth Groover, 77, died 19 Oct 1997. She was buried in Canejo Mountain Memorial Park in Camarillo, CA, next to her late husband, Harry Groover. She was born 2 Apr 1920 in Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada. She is survived by her caregiver in Anchorage, Maureen Brownlee; sisters, Maxine Harris and Betty Andrews of Canada; brother, Donald Brownlee of Oregon; nieces, Tracy Pendergrast, Lori Brownlee, Diana Brownlee and Jennifer Brown, all of Alaska. From The Scotsman, 18 October 1997: Tennant Brownlee. Born in Glasgow in 1932. Wife named Hazel.

Subscribe Hi all I`m trying to trace my family tree and have been advised of this site by Betty Rudolph of Boise, ID My name is Philip Brownlee and I live in Bridgwater Somerset UK. My father and Grandfather were born in Letterbreen, Enniskillen, County Fermanagh, Northern Ireland in 1919 and 1877 (approx) respectively. My father is sure that his ancestors relocated to N.I. from Scotland in the 1600`s. I would be grateful if anyone could exchange information they think may be relevant. Thanks everyone Kindest Regards Phil -- Phil Brownlee

Please forward details of newsletter, etc Thankyou -- Phil Brownlee

The (Charleston) Post and Courier of 16 October 1997 carries the obituary of Marian Seel Brownlee, 80. She died 14 October in Charleston and was buried 17 October at Holy Cross Cemetery. She was the daughter of Francis J. and Lilly Palmer Seel. Surviving are two sons, Sammy Jr. and Jimmy, and a daughter, Barbara Dority. 11 grandchildren and 8 great grandchildren.

I am interested in researching the Brownlee name in Scotland. A.E.(Sandy)Brownlee. Edmonton,Canada