Thank you, Mary. Very interesting stories. Gosh, don't you wish someone had kept a diary! Someday future generations will say the same about us, I'm sure. Sandi Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Mary A Kunkle <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 23:08:28 To:[email protected] Subject: [BROWN] Fw: Re: Wm. M. Brown b. 1837, GA & brother-in-law David Messer, b. 1829, AL No, they were Caucasian. My uncle told my brother that these men were particularly large with large feet and wore moccasins instead of shoes. They may have been mixed with Indian but do not know for sure. Daniel Brown worked as a barge captain on the Cumberland River when he lived in Celina, TN. --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 03:52:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [BROWN] Wm. M. Brown b. 1837, GA & brother-in-law David Messer, b. 1829, AL Message-ID: <1798565741-1181188321-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-200956821 [email protected]> References: <[email protected]> Only because you mention brothers being sold, is this family African American? I was not sure. Thanks Sandi Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: Mary A Kunkle <[email protected]> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 22:38:37 To:[email protected] Subject: [BROWN] Wm. M. Brown b. 1837, GA & brother-in-law David Messer, b. 1829, AL Hi Pat, Your email caught my eye. My brother recently joined the BROWN DNA study and had the 37 marker test done. His results are also posted at Family Tree DNA. Even though we are a Brown family, there was a story in our family that two brothers were sold and ran away from a cruel master. They made their way over the Cumberland Gap with their belongings in a handcart and went down the Cumberland River to Celina, TN. There one of them married and then moved on up into Kentucky, ending up in Barren and Allen Counties. The other brother married in Kentucky and then migrated with his family down to Paris, Lamar County, TX. There was some supposition that we might not have been Browns. There are a few matches, however, in the Browndna study. Info we have from the family says they were born in either Kentucky or Alabama but there is no proof. Supposedly there was another brother, name unknown, who was with them who disappeared at some point. Later on the family was notified that this brother had returned to Great Britain and had left an estate to the family but they were too poor to go and claim it. This is a big brick wall for us. Daniel Brown is my great great grandfather. We have a little information about these two brothers but do not know where they were born or who their parents were. The names that keep popping up as a very close or exact dna match are Doherty, Daugherty and Dougherty. This is the info we have on them: Daniel BROWN born about 1852 Born in either Cumberland County, KY or AL Died about 1910 Buried in Baldock Cemetery, Summer Shade, KY Married Lusana "Lou" EUDY at Celina, Clay County, TN 24 Jul, 1877 Born about 1859 in Cumberland County, KY Died about 1935 Buried Glasgow, Barren County, KY Henry D. BROWN Born 14 or 21 Feb, 1853 in TN or KY Died 11 May, 1936, Honey Grove, Lamar County, TX Buried Tigertown Cemetery, Lamar County, TX Married Julia Angeline DILWORTH ????? Born 3 Feb, 1859 in Cumberland County, KY Died 26 Feb, 1938 Tigertown, Lamar County, TX Buried Tigertown Cemetery, Lamar County, TX Henry, Julia, and 4 of their children moved to TX in 1902 Her Parents - Elizabeth DODSON b. About 1841, Cumberland County, KY Died About 1889 near Lone Oak, Hunt County, TX. Married ????? DILWORTH in Cumberland County, KY Pat Hoffman wrote: Subject: Re: [BROWN] Wm. M. Brown b. 1837, GA & brother-in-law David Messer, b. 1829, AL Claudia and Carolyn: An unfounded rumor in our BROWN family is that we were somehow related to the same BROWN family as Joseph Emerson BROWN Gov of GA durning Civil War. I have collected quite a bit of data on that family over the years but have not found a connection yet and the origin of our BROWNS remain a "brick wall". J. Archibald BROWN b. ca 1812 in GA, father b. SC, mother born VA?, turns up in Marion Co TN by 1840 married to Sarah DOUGHERTY about 1830. By 1850 there is a William BROWN b. 1820 GA and family living next door( he did not leave GA until 1849) and next to them is a HICKS family whose wife is named Hetta b. 1821 GA that we think may be a sister to Archibald and William. Also living in the neighborhood is Isabel BROWN DOUGHERTY b. 1792 SC widowed step-mother to Sarah DOUGHERTY BROWN who has living in her household a John BROWN b. 1825 AL and Sarah BROWN b. 1827 GA (we think Isabel was married to a BROWN prior to her marriage to a DOUGHERTY. Archibald names his sons, James Anderson, Levi, Samuel and John Calvin, dau Minerva Jane. Also living near by is an Ira SPARKS family from the Spartenburg SC area and was son of a Susannah BROWN mother and said to be grandson of James BROWN of old Cherokee Nation who died in Spartenburg Co SC, when he died in 1843 there was a William P. BROWN who was paid a dollar for "Crying the Estate Sale". I don't know if this SPARKS family was related or not. If either of you can shed any light on this family I surely would appreciate it. Marion Co is next to Chattanooga, Hamilton Co, Dade Co GA and Jackson Co AL. Thank you Pat Hoffman -----Original Message----- From: Claudia Brumbalow <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 31 May 2007 12:19 pm Subject: Re: [BROWN] Wm. M. Brown b. 1837, GA & brother-in-law David Messer, b. 1829, AL Carolyn, If you will email me I think I can help you with this family. I have most f them, with proof. Joe Brown who was the Gov. of Ga during the Civil War e is directly related. Claudia ----- Original Message ----- rom: <[email protected]> o: <[email protected]> ent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 5:33 PM ubject: Re: [BROWN] Wm. M. Brown b. 1837, GA & brother-in-law David esser,b. 1829, AL Carolyn, I am no longer actively researching my husband's BROWN family; but I thought I would share a few things about the BROWN family that came hrough Georgia (from the Carolina's) and then moved into Northern Alabama. In deed, many of the BROWN's were from Ireland and many of these ROWN males married into the Cherokee Indian tribes of the Carolina's before hey made their journey into Georgia. The Cherokee Indians were smart and they new that the white man was going to take the land, so most of these Indian eople tried to blend into the white man's society and of course marriage was a step in that direction. My husband's grandfather, William P. BROWN married Princes "Little Feather" who was known as Elizabeth. Her father was a Cherokee Indian hief in the Carolinas where both Elizabeth and William P. BROWN were born in the arly 1800s. After their marriage, they moved into Gwinnett County, near Lawrenceville, Georgia where William P. BROWN fought in the Creek Indian ar. There they had their children except for the last one and she was born in Chatooga County, Georgia about the same time that the Cherokee alphabet was upposed to have been developed there. Shortly thereafter, they moved into Marshall ounty, Alabama where William P. BROWN and one of his Creek War fighting buddies ere granted land. The important thing here is that somewhere around the Lawrenceville rea there is a cemetery full of BROWNS. I cannot find my material; but from memory some of the tombstones read that they were from Ireland. I also now that their was a State of Georgia Governor BROWN who was in office somewhere around Civil War times and he was directly related to the BROWNS in this emetery. One of my husband's deceased Aunts told us that our BROWN family was elated to that Governor and since William P. BROWN lived near this cemetery it ade it a possibility. At any rate, it might help if you tried to find the cemetery I entioned above because as I recall the tombstones made mention of where in Ireland the older ones had come from---you can be sure these BROWNS were Irish ntil they married in with the Cherokee. William is one of their most popular amily names and they all have children with the same names so it was a hard ouple of years of research to get as far as I did. Good luck to you, Chocy ************************************** See what's free at ttp://www.aol.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in he subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. 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