Sorry I was half asleep when I wrote the reply below; I had the same thing with my browns; but I was lucky; my grandfather was also born out of wedlock but the Mother was a Johnson and the father a Brown; this is a mess; grandfather was put on the "Orphan Train" at about 3 years of age I think one of the family took him off in Jay County Indiana; then between the age of 5 to 9 he ran away and was taken in by Thomas F Bryant and his wife Catherine; I found him there in the 1880 census stating took to raise he was said to be 9 years of age; when grandfather married he filled out his contract with his Mother and fathers name; Ellen Johnson (she never married) and William H Brown was on his second marriage. I have found some errors; like the age of grandfather; on the train his birth was 1871 on his death certificate his birth was 3 Nov 1868; he was named after his father William Henry Brown; when he married he was William Henry Bryant. he was not adopted by the Bryant's; his birth Mother must have stayed close to him for all the information grandfather had on his birth father. no one in our family knew any of this until a cousin and I started digging into our family history; the more we uncovered the more shocked all of us were. We are all proud of our 3 generations of Bryant's; Grandfather our Father and my brothers; my one brother did the Brown DNA right now we have had no matches; the other brother had one son; he has 2 sons so with luck our Bryant's will grow. I tracked the birth father and mother back as far as Abraham Braum; No year given but his son Johan Michael Braun b 15 Jan 1723/24 Lancaster PA. d 13 Mar 1785 East Hanover, Lancaster PA. On down to birth father William H Brown b 18 Oct 1822 Clinton Ohio; d 20 Apr 1889- Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Mother Ellen Johnson b 1835 Stark, Ohio d 1901 Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Her family back to 1733/34 Allegany; Maryland Over 40 years of research; I am just now on the very slack side and almost ready to quit on all lines leaving it to someone else. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eleanor Prieskorn Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:03 AM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Your female has a father (a Brown) does she have any brothers? Nephews; if you have the info on your female track from her father. That is what we had to do with our female on my Lee's; We have now tracked back to the 1700's from her father to brothers And found a Lee male we used him for DNA it was My Gr grandmother To one of her brothers sons. Females are not a brick wall unless you have no info on her. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Stevens Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Hello  I have looked into DNA testing for my Browns but we descend thru the female line and I am not sure where that stands now. We were told several years ago that most testing is done thru the male line--but we have no male line! LOL   I know that sounds funny but my ggg grandmother Sarah Brown of Granby, CT and of the family of very early Browns in Windsor, CT--had 4 children. I only knew of my gg grandfather--her son Wadsworth Brown until about 7 yrs ago when I found in town records that all  4 kids were "the illegitimate child of Sarah "Aunt Sally" Brown!"  LOL Unfortunately--I had my Mom with me at that time and she did NOT get the chuckle out of it that I did!   I do have 3 brothers--but as of last time I explored  the issue--there was still nothing much they could do with going thru the male line---when we don't really have any male line! Sarah's 4 kids quite likely had 2-4 different fathers. We have no contact with any relatives of that family except one very elderly female cousin from the same generation as my Mom, who just died at age 88. It has been along period of Mom's decreasing health over about 4-5 years and my genealogy has suffered as I tried to take care of Mom, and my family and grandkids--and work. Genealogy has kind of been on the back burner and I am anxious to get things rolling again.   Any suggestions and updates on DNA  going thru the female line are appreciated Barb   Barb in CT   Any updates and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> wrote: From: W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> Subject: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:56 AM The Brown DNA Study is a volunteer, non-profit activity whose aims are to  encourage and support DNA analysis for genealogical research that traces the "Brown" surname, including variant surnames like Browne, Braun, Broun, and Browning. The project now has 605 sets of members' DNA results. Among these  members, 406 men have matches that appear potentially useful for genealogy,  while 199 others are still awaiting their first matches. Our 406 matched members  fall into 119 "relationship groups." So if you add the latter number to our 202  sets of non-matched results, you'll see that so far we've identified some 341  biologically distinct Brown family lines. This total implies a huge diversity of  origins for our surname -- something that few may ever have suspected! Please note that biological science can't yet employ female  DNA for reliable tracing of the Brown surname. But women are very active in our  project by way sponsoring tests by their male relatives. So if you're female,  please consider supporting our research via a DNA test by one of your  Brown-surnamed brothers, fathers, sons, uncles, nephews or male cousins. Finally, if you'd like info on costs and other details, please  contact me by direct email (off-list) at DNAforBrowns@aol.com. Best  regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project  Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com or  W5DRP@aol.com http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm PS:  The Brown DNA Study is also sponsoring a program of free tests for  Brown-surnamed men born in Scotland and Ulster. Test kits have now been  distributed to five men. Funds remaining in the program will allow us to finance  17 more tests. 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