You said it much better than I did! I co-administer the Mosley/Moseley DNA project at FamilytreeDNA.com and we have tried to get pedigrees of all, a few have slipped through as we have not yet blocked entry into the project without one. We e-mail all our members with a chart of pedigrees combined with the DNA markers. It makes it so much easier to see what is going on. We have 60+ members, so it is not nearly as big as the Brown group.   Carolyn Brown --- On Sat, 12/19/09, nbacton@aol.com <nbacton@aol.com> wrote: From: nbacton@aol.com <nbacton@aol.com> Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 3:25 PM In a message dated 12/19/2009 1:34:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  DianaGM@dgmweb.net writes: I run  five DNA surname projects at FTDNA, and I encourage all my members  to upload to Ysearch.  I have also subsidized a couple of dozen tests,  always with the stipulation that a requirement for the subsidy is uploading  to Ysearch.  So, yes, I think Ysearch is now, and will continue to be,  the best "general" database to use for uploading and searching. Do  be careful about uploading to Ancestry.  My "impression" is that if you do, you're basically giving them the data to use as they see fit, including  keeping it and republishing it.  [Does someone know for  certain?]  At Ysearch, you can remove your data any time you  want.  You can also remove yourself from the FTDNA database any time  you want, even if you were tested there, because they make no claim of  ownership of your data (or your sample).  Wherever you decide to  get tested or to upload your data, make certain you are aware of whether  you are surrendering legal title it, assuming you care one way or  another. Test results without a lineage are, as you know, virtually  useless, so I am very persistent in my projects to get good lineages  associated with the results.  Not all project admins make such an  effort, however, so it's a matter of luck how useful results are from  different projects.  I wish those admins who aren't doing it would  either take on a co-admin or two -- or give up the project and let someone  else run it.  But if they don't, the alternative is for us to  upload to Ysearch, including a GEDCOM of the patrilineal line.   Wow!  It would be such a useful database if everyone did  it! Diana > -----Original Message----- > From:  brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Brown > Sent: Saturday,  December 19, 2009 11:30 AM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re:  [BROWN] All DNA testees > > My husband, Allen, tested with  FamilyTreeDNA.com and has 4 > matches there (one 25/25, and 3 67/67) I  have also uploaded > his results to the Ancestry.com DNA database, no  matches > there and no input from other Browns there. Now that more  > labs are starting to do the testing we need a place to be >  able to compare the results. >  > FamilyTreeDNA has over 300  Browns in their Brown project. I > haven't been able to find out how  many Ancestry.com has and > have no idea about the other labs. Results  are no good if you > can't compare them. FamilyTreeDNA.com also has a  site called > www.YSearch.org where anyone from any lab can upload  their > results and search by matching results or by name. You don't  > have to have tested at their lab and it is free. I would like  > to see if we can either get everyone on the list who has >  tested to upload their results to either that site or > Ancestry.com  (though I think you have to be a subscriber > there, I am) or let us  know if there is another site that can > be viewed for comparison with  their DNA. >  > For those who have tested it is then  obvious if a line is > yours or not. What do you all think? >  > Carolyn and Allen Ethridge Brown >  ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the  list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the  message I am not familiar with Ysearch.  Could you give me the address of this  group?  I agree with you about Ancestry.  It is written in very small  print but everything you submit to them is theirs to do with as they want.   You have given up all rights to your work.  I have 4 DNA projects with FamilyTree and I have been continuously please  with their help and their support of privacy.  One research group has  placed them at the top of the list for DNA companies to  use. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message