The Y-DNA haplotree is "hierarchical," so an R1b1b2 would be further downstream on the tree than R1b1b, like this R R-1 R-1a R-1a1 R-1b R-1b1 R-1b1a R-1b1b R-1b1b-1 R-1b1b-2 etc. my Dad is R-1b1b-2a1a-4 (I like to insert the hyphens to make the designations easier to read.) I've extracted the R1b part of the haplotree to make it (I hope) easier to comprehend: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/SNPcharts/R1b_2009-12-16.shtml The chart compares the haplotree used by FTDNA, with the (usually) more up-to-date one compiled by ISOGG (the International Society of Genetic Genealogists -- a good group to join, by the way): http://www.isogg.org/tree/index.html If you want to know your *real* place on the haplotree, you will need to be deepSNP tested. I don't understand what Ken means about the Google search, either. When I'm looking for DNA matches, the first place I look is my FTDNA member page, the second place I look is Ysearch or mitoSearch, and the third place I look is SMGF: http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx It's definitely worth registering at SMGF, if for no other reason than that you can save your searches, so you don't have to manually re-enter the data each time. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of FBrown726@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:38 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Thank you, Ken. I looked at my data and I am R1b1b with no 2 > at the end like yours. I don't know what that means. I have not > educated myself on the DNA work like I probably should. What > you say about the Maxwell and Ramsey names being from Scotland > seem to make sense. With 37/37 markers I have 1 Maxwell and 1 > Ramsey. With 36/37 I have 1 Maxwell. With 35/37 I have 1 Maxwell. > With 34/37 I have 2 Maxwell and 1 White. With 34/37 I have 4 > Maxwell. Nary a Brown. > > I do not understand what you mean about the Google search. > > Frank Brown > Kansas City >