We have an Indian name in my husbands line that is some what close WATCHEKEE this is written in several articles as Wat-che-kee and also as Watch-e-kee. There has been a lot on how to pronounce this name. This woman was Potawatomi. Was in the Ill area and moved to IOWA< KANSAS and Okla. other spellings were used as Waatchki, Watchchikke, Watchki, Watchi, We have found a lot of argument on spellings and so forth as with one record of this case you have a dutch priest, listening to an Indian woman and a french man and writeing records in English. Makes life interesting as you are looking thru the records. We have the name Bergeron that is found as Beaucheron (written by the Dutch priest) Then this name changed to Bezhaw also spelled Bazhaw and it is spelled like this for several families that come from the same lineage today and others still use the Bergeron spelling but it is the same family. sometimes knowing who would have wirtten the record helps but most of the time you are just confused. Just remember none of these spelling are written in stone and copy everything! :) You can also find an Indian name and a White mans name in some cases. IF you have found someone on a roll then you may be in luck as you can get records from the tribes..The number they were given opens the doors! I was so surprised with how much I got and it answered a lot about not only the Indian line but ones that were married into it. There are a lot of sites on line that may be able to help you. Try searching on the tribe or just Indian info good luck with your search! Val >From: "Powers, W. Douglas" <powers@roo.susqu.edu> >To: BROWN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BROWN] Attn: Wanda Brown >Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 17:28:52 -0500 > > > > > ---------- > > I haven't heard from you, so wondered if you had received this. > > Doug > > > > Hi Wanda, > > > > Yep, still at it, but very little progress made. Most of what I > > stated in the posting was speculation in the hopes that it might ring a > > bell with someone. I'm merely guessing that Stephen's father was James, > > as in 1820 in Lawrence Co., TN, an older James (old enough to be >Stephen's > > father) is living only a house or so away for Stephen and Elias >CRANFORD. > > I believe that the name is CRANFORD, as that is what it looks like in >1820 > > and in 1850 when I found him in Lauderdale Co., AL, living next to a > > William CRANFORD, and with his second (?) wife Tabitha. Also, in the > > marriage record for Stephen and Polly, the name certainly looks like > > CRANFORD. I have also found many, many Elias CRANFORDs in NC and GA, >all > > coming from the same family. I therefore think that our Elias CRANFORD > > was part of that bunch. There is also a Leonard CRANFORD from the NC > > bunch as well, making me think that the name Leonard is also a common > > family name. In my family records, Jaley's father is listed as Leonard > > BROWN, but I think this might be confusion, as the record is a Guion > > Miller Eastern Cherokee application filed by Jaley's son James EAST > > (half-brother to my ggg grandfather James Pascal EAST) and was filed >some > > thirty years after Jaley's death. He also probably never knew Jaley's > > parents, as he was born in an Indian camp near what is now Kennett, MO. > > At the time of his birth, it was called Chilletecaux, named for the > > Delaware chief who headed the village. Jaley's birth is listed as @ >1802 > > at a station camp on the Little Duck River in TN. This is near the > > present day area of Manchester, Coffee County, TN. I think that her >father > > was probably a James BROWN, as she named TWO of her sons James (but no > > Leonard in sight). In 1830, however, there is a Leonard BROWN in > > Lauderdale Co. only a couple of houses from Stephen and Elias CRANFORD, > > and he is old enough to be a brother to Stephen. > > > > It's quite possible, too, that the BROWNs and CRANFORDs were already > > related before Stephen and Polly married. They might have been cousins. > > Both families might have moved from NC together (the BROWNs originally > > from VA). On Polly and Stephen's marriage bond, a Sterling BRYANT is > > listed as bondsman. Some researchers believe he had a brother named >Gray > > BRYANT (who later ended up in Wayne Co., TN)--this family came >originally > > from Guilford Co., NC. Gray BRYANT married before 1820 in Lawrence Co., > > TN. So I think there is some family tie-in between these families as > > well. > > > > So, to make a confusing story short, I think Jaley was a sister or > > half-sister to Stephen and Leonard, and that their father was James. > > James might have married a sister of Elias CRANFORD. Possibly Elias's > > father was a Leonard CRANFORD (?) > > > > Now, the Indian blood. Jaley was said to be 1/4 Indian. Family > > history says Cherokee, but in all likelihood, not Cherokee but some > > smaller tribe from VA or NC. Also, the name passed down is WATHACAPEE >or > > WATHACAPA. If this is true, that isn't a Cherokee name, as there is no > > "th" or "p" sound in the Cherokee language. Until I found the GM > > application in 1997, we had always been told that in the family tree was >a > > Chief White Pace or Chief White Face. This is probably some mixup with > > the name WATHACAPEE, especially if it is pronounced with a long a, like > > WAYTHA CAYPEE. Confusing, huh? Jaley's first husband was my gggg > > grandfather Abijah RICE, b. 1797 in the area of what is now Cocke Co., >TN > > or Knox Co., TN (from his War of 1812 discharge paper. It lists him as > > being born in Cox Co., TN). I believe he had a brother named Jehu RICE, > > who is listed in 1820 in Sumner Co. This Jehu had a daughter Rhoda RICE > > who is on the 1832 emigration roll of the Cherokees. > > > > If only we could establish who Stephen's father was, many of these > > questions could be answered. I am scouring as many historical records I > > can find to see if there are Indians with names that resemble >WATHACAPEE. > > > > Also, no, I have still not received Stephen's 1812 pension > > application (although I mailed it Feb. or March of this year.) The last > > time I called the NARA, they said that there was a "back-log". I've > > pretty much given up on it. > > > > Doug > > > > ---------- > > From: Wanda Brown[SMTP:wlbrown@peppersnet.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 12:37 PM > > To: Powers, W. Douglas > > Subject: Re: [BROWN] BROWN, Guilford or Randolph Co., > > NC, to TN by 1817 > > > > Hello Doug, > > Glad to see you are still at it. Did you ever get any war > > records of Stephen or > > Leonard? > > What brought you to these conclusions? What do you know of > > James Brown father > > of Stephen and Leonard? > > In this statement "Stephen BROWN married a Polly CRANFORD > > in Wilson Co." did > > you mean Cranford or Crawford? As in times past you stated > > Crawford. Catch me > > up on where the NC info came from or how you arrived there > > and I will go out > > and see what I can find. As you can tell I am still full of > > questions. Keep me > > posted on your progress. > > Wanda Brown > > > > "Powers, W. Douglas" wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have any information regarding a James BROWN > > who moved from > > > Guilford or Randolph Co., NC, to Wilson Co., TN, by 1817? > > In 1815, his son > > > Stephen BROWN married a Polly CRANFORD in Wilson Co. In > > 1817, his daughter > > > Jaley Ann BROWN married Elijah or Abijah RICE in Wilson > > Co. By 1820, James > > > and son Stephen (and possibly other children) were in > > Lawrence Co., TN. By > > > 1830, sons Stephen and Leonard were in Lauderdale Co., AL. > > > > > > This BROWN family was originally from VA (as Stephen was > > born there). It is > > > also probable that James BROWN's wife was Native American. > > Her name has > > > been passed down to us as WATHACAPEE. > > > > > > Stephen's family moved from Lauderdale Co., AL, to Wayne > > Co., TN, then on to > > > Searcy and Izard Cos., ARK, and then on to Travis Co., TX. > > > > > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Doug Powers > > > > > > ==== BROWN Mailing List ==== > > > contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > >==== BROWN Mailing List ==== >contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > >============================== >Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate >your heritage! >http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. 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