Dear Jim Patrick, I envy your many points of certainty with your BROWN surname. While there are certain elements of your posting that seem to show promise for my line I do not have enough information to make any kind of definitive connection. My earliest BROWN is my great grandfather, Charles L. Brown. Census information lists his birthplace as NY, 1843. Birthplace of father listed as RI, that of mother, NJ. I was encouraged to see that your family originated in RI and migrated to NY and had children there during the same time period as the birth of my ancestor. Not much to go on but when the pickins are slim small fruit begins to look mighty tasty. I have also seen information that says my Charles L. Brown served in Battery B, 3rd NY Light Artillery during the Civil War, although I have failed to confirm this following much research. If anyone else out there recognizes any possible connections to my (apparently) immaculately conceived Brown I would love to hear from you. Cheers, Bob Brown bobalu_snb@ionet.net Stillwater, OK