Hi Sonja, Yes Sonja it was a few years ago. I know it is close but not a match. One thing I am thinking of is having one of my dad's uncles to the test. My brother who gave his DNA and the rest of our family had our DNA changed because of Agent Orange being sprayed at Base Gagetown and Surrounding Areas. That may be part of the problem. Working on getting Genetic medical testing done for all those who were affected by the chemical spraying of Agent Orange, Purple and White. So we shall see. Good to hear from you. I found John's family bible and have copies of the pages but it did not say who his parents were, darn! Carol Brown Parker ----- Original Message ----- From: <sonavan@aol.com> To: <brown@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [BROWN] Free DNA test for desc/o Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s) NH>NY > OH > Hi Carol, > > I have your information but I think I got it from you years ago...no > parents for John...just his wives and children...I also have our DNA > listed but > were are not related...darn.. > > Sonja Abate > > > In a message dated 12/4/2009 7:11:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca writes: > > Hi Diana, > > I belong to the Brown DNA Project and my brother submitted his DNA. > Please > check your genenalogy for my gggrandfather > John E Brown also listed in Michigan census 1870 as John C. Brown (an > error). I have found his family bible and the "E" stands > for Ebenezer. John E Brown was born 1822 in NY (census sometimes say > 1823). > He then moved to Ohio where I found him > in the 1850 census Richfield Twp. Lucas County plus I know he was in > Toledo > with wife Abigail January 1848 where his first > son Aaron Charles Brown was born that date. John E Brown then moved to > Sandstone, Jackson County where he married > Anna M Brown (Abigail died I believe) then by 1880 they are living in > Onondagaga and Leslie Ingham County MI. John died > in 1902 in Lansing MI. Please let me know if you have him in your family > tree. > > Good luck in finding a paternal descendant > > Thank you Carol Brown Parker > > > > Good luck in finding a paternal descendant. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> > To: <BROWN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:00 AM > Subject: [BROWN] Free DNA test for desc/o Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s) NH >>NY >> OH > MI > > >>I am seeking a male surnamed BROWN for Y-DNA testing who is a patrilineal >> descendant of Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s). I will fully subsidize the >> cost of >> this testing. >> >> Willard BROWN was born in New Hampshire. He married in 1826 to Mary >> "Polly" >> RASEY, possibly in Essex Co., NY. They are found in the 1830 census of >> St. >> Lawrence Co., NY, the 1840 census of Lorain Co., OH, and the 1850 and > 1860 >> censuses of Barry Co., MI. >> >> Willard & Polly had five sons: >> >> Nathan BROWN, b. 1827/8, NY >> Ira Baker BROWN, b. 28 Jun 1829, NY >> Otis B. BROWN, b. 1831/2, NY >> Silas BROWN, b. 1834/5, NY >> Alexander BROWN, b. 1837/8, OH >> >> Please contact me off list for details and conditions. >> >> Diana >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Carol, I have your information but I think I got it from you years ago...no parents for John...just his wives and children...I also have our DNA listed but were are not related...darn.. Sonja Abate In a message dated 12/4/2009 7:11:02 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca writes: Hi Diana, I belong to the Brown DNA Project and my brother submitted his DNA. Please check your genenalogy for my gggrandfather John E Brown also listed in Michigan census 1870 as John C. Brown (an error). I have found his family bible and the "E" stands for Ebenezer. John E Brown was born 1822 in NY (census sometimes say 1823). He then moved to Ohio where I found him in the 1850 census Richfield Twp. Lucas County plus I know he was in Toledo with wife Abigail January 1848 where his first son Aaron Charles Brown was born that date. John E Brown then moved to Sandstone, Jackson County where he married Anna M Brown (Abigail died I believe) then by 1880 they are living in Onondagaga and Leslie Ingham County MI. John died in 1902 in Lansing MI. Please let me know if you have him in your family tree. Good luck in finding a paternal descendant Thank you Carol Brown Parker Good luck in finding a paternal descendant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: <BROWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: [BROWN] Free DNA test for desc/o Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s) NH >NY > OH > MI >I am seeking a male surnamed BROWN for Y-DNA testing who is a patrilineal > descendant of Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s). I will fully subsidize the > cost of > this testing. > > Willard BROWN was born in New Hampshire. He married in 1826 to Mary > "Polly" > RASEY, possibly in Essex Co., NY. They are found in the 1830 census of > St. > Lawrence Co., NY, the 1840 census of Lorain Co., OH, and the 1850 and 1860 > censuses of Barry Co., MI. > > Willard & Polly had five sons: > > Nathan BROWN, b. 1827/8, NY > Ira Baker BROWN, b. 28 Jun 1829, NY > Otis B. BROWN, b. 1831/2, NY > Silas BROWN, b. 1834/5, NY > Alexander BROWN, b. 1837/8, OH > > Please contact me off list for details and conditions. > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diana, I belong to the Brown DNA Project and my brother submitted his DNA. Please check your genenalogy for my gggrandfather John E Brown also listed in Michigan census 1870 as John C. Brown (an error). I have found his family bible and the "E" stands for Ebenezer. John E Brown was born 1822 in NY (census sometimes say 1823). He then moved to Ohio where I found him in the 1850 census Richfield Twp. Lucas County plus I know he was in Toledo with wife Abigail January 1848 where his first son Aaron Charles Brown was born that date. John E Brown then moved to Sandstone, Jackson County where he married Anna M Brown (Abigail died I believe) then by 1880 they are living in Onondagaga and Leslie Ingham County MI. John died in 1902 in Lansing MI. Please let me know if you have him in your family tree. Good luck in finding a paternal descendant Thank you Carol Brown Parker Good luck in finding a paternal descendant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <DianaGM@dgmweb.net> To: <BROWN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 7:00 AM Subject: [BROWN] Free DNA test for desc/o Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s) NH >NY > OH > MI >I am seeking a male surnamed BROWN for Y-DNA testing who is a patrilineal > descendant of Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s). I will fully subsidize the > cost of > this testing. > > Willard BROWN was born in New Hampshire. He married in 1826 to Mary > "Polly" > RASEY, possibly in Essex Co., NY. They are found in the 1830 census of > St. > Lawrence Co., NY, the 1840 census of Lorain Co., OH, and the 1850 and 1860 > censuses of Barry Co., MI. > > Willard & Polly had five sons: > > Nathan BROWN, b. 1827/8, NY > Ira Baker BROWN, b. 28 Jun 1829, NY > Otis B. BROWN, b. 1831/2, NY > Silas BROWN, b. 1834/5, NY > Alexander BROWN, b. 1837/8, OH > > Please contact me off list for details and conditions. > > Diana > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I am seeking a male surnamed BROWN for Y-DNA testing who is a patrilineal descendant of Willard BROWN (c1807-1860s). I will fully subsidize the cost of this testing. Willard BROWN was born in New Hampshire. He married in 1826 to Mary "Polly" RASEY, possibly in Essex Co., NY. They are found in the 1830 census of St. Lawrence Co., NY, the 1840 census of Lorain Co., OH, and the 1850 and 1860 censuses of Barry Co., MI. Willard & Polly had five sons: Nathan BROWN, b. 1827/8, NY Ira Baker BROWN, b. 28 Jun 1829, NY Otis B. BROWN, b. 1831/2, NY Silas BROWN, b. 1834/5, NY Alexander BROWN, b. 1837/8, OH Please contact me off list for details and conditions. Diana

You're welcome, Mark! I will do some more looking at my BROWN files - have collected so much over the years while trying to find Richard Gibson Brown, my 2nd great grandfather. Best of luck in finding the answer!! Beth On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:22 PM, R. Mark Brown <knodish1@mac.com> wrote: > Hi Beth, thanks for the info. I'll take it into consideration. We > have a family bible that says our Doctor Brown married Sarah > Lockwood. We've found an Isaac Brown born 1690 in Norwalk, CT who > married a Sarah Lockwood - d/o Joseph Lockwood. We've found > information to indicate Isaac was a physician. What we don't have is > proof that he had a son Josiah - the bible was his son's. The bible > indicates that either Dr. Brown or Sarah Lockwood - or perhaps both of > them died in 1778. It isn't really clear which of them died that > year or if both did - that portion of the bible is a bit vague. > > Josiah Brown (1741-1818) is supposed to be the 11th son of Doct > Brown and Sarah Lockwood. That doesn't mean that all of those > children lived to adulthood of course. Given the lack of information > on Josiah - we're trying to branch out and look at any other children > of Sarah and Isaac that we can find in hopes we might find some > reference to a brother Josiah. It's for that reason we have an > interest in the letter Isaac Brown wrote to Governor Jonathan Law. > > Thanks for the info - we will certainly examine it closely though as > you say - it's a long-shot. Mark > >

Hi Beth, thanks for the info. I'll take it into consideration. We have a family bible that says our Doctor Brown married Sarah Lockwood. We've found an Isaac Brown born 1690 in Norwalk, CT who married a Sarah Lockwood - d/o Joseph Lockwood. We've found information to indicate Isaac was a physician. What we don't have is proof that he had a son Josiah - the bible was his son's. The bible indicates that either Dr. Brown or Sarah Lockwood - or perhaps both of them died in 1778. It isn't really clear which of them died that year or if both did - that portion of the bible is a bit vague. Josiah Brown (1741-1818) is supposed to be the 11th son of Doct Brown and Sarah Lockwood. That doesn't mean that all of those children lived to adulthood of course. Given the lack of information on Josiah - we're trying to branch out and look at any other children of Sarah and Isaac that we can find in hopes we might find some reference to a brother Josiah. It's for that reason we have an interest in the letter Isaac Brown wrote to Governor Jonathan Law. Thanks for the info - we will certainly examine it closely though as you say - it's a long-shot. Mark On Dec 2, 2009, at 5:20 AM, Beth Golden wrote: > This is all I can put my hands on right now, and it is a long-shot, > since > this family originated in MA. Best of luck and I'll keep checking my > files. > > According to a genealogy from *The Beard Family: A Bundle of > Relations, A > Knot of Roots** > > Isaac Brown b. 2 Dec 1702 Swansea MA > m. (1) 5 June 1725, Mary Brown. (2) 15 March 1728/29, Esther Brown > d. 1735 Rehobeth, MA > > child by first wife > Peleg Brown, d. 1747 > > children by second wife > Mary, b. 20 Feb 1730/31. m. Joseph Turpen > Esther, d. before 1747 > Thomas, b. 1733 > Feelix > > *by Ruth Beard McDowell, 1978. > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM, R. Mark Brown <knodish1@mac.com> > wrote: > >> In January 27, 1747/48 (Norwalk) Isaac Brown & Joseph Lockwood >> sent a >> letter to CT Governor Jonathan Law on behalf of Isaac's son. >> (Lockwood >> is the maternal grandfather) >> >> We're trying to figure out who the son is. >> >> THE LETTER: ISAAC BROWN TO JONATHAN LAW Honerd Sir my son the >> bearer >> hereof was one of the men that Inlisted for the Canaday Expedition >> and >> now is about another Expedition to albany and has some Incuragement >> of >> a L Commission if he will fit himself and In order to do that he >> wants >> his wages and I beg of your honour to Let him have them the want of >> which will utterly Disapoint his going to albeny (Albany) >> >> Sir I hope your Honour will Consider the matter and give all Just >> Incuragement to any that is willing to defend the Country I am Sir yr >> Honours most humble and obedient Sert ISAAC BROWN NORWALK JaT 27th >> 1747 8 >> >> Superscribed To The Hon e J LAW Esqr Att Milford >> Govr of The Colony of Conn >> >> Indorsed Mr Browns Letter Janar 27 recev 1747/8 >> >> Source: The Law papers: correspondence and documents during Jonathan >> Law ..., Volume 15 By Connecticut (Colony). Governor, 1741-1750 >> (Jonathan Law) >> >> THE CT MUST ROLES: for 1747-48 show the following Browns - >> POSSIBILITIES: Benjamin, Sergeant Caleb, Ensign John, John, Joseph, >> Nathaniel, Patt, Peter, and Thomas >> >> As I said - we're trying to determine which one is the son of Isaac >> Brown - who wrote the letter. >> >> He would probably have been born sometime between 1712 and 1730..... >> He was probably born in CT or in England..... >> >> >> Does anyone out there have one of these Browns? >> Thanks - Mark Brown >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com

This is all I can put my hands on right now, and it is a long-shot, since this family originated in MA. Best of luck and I'll keep checking my files. According to a genealogy from *The Beard Family: A Bundle of Relations, A Knot of Roots** Isaac Brown b. 2 Dec 1702 Swansea MA m. (1) 5 June 1725, Mary Brown. (2) 15 March 1728/29, Esther Brown d. 1735 Rehobeth, MA child by first wife Peleg Brown, d. 1747 children by second wife Mary, b. 20 Feb 1730/31. m. Joseph Turpen Esther, d. before 1747 Thomas, b. 1733 Feelix *by Ruth Beard McDowell, 1978. On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:42 PM, R. Mark Brown <knodish1@mac.com> wrote: > In January 27, 1747/48 (Norwalk) Isaac Brown & Joseph Lockwood sent a > letter to CT Governor Jonathan Law on behalf of Isaac's son. (Lockwood > is the maternal grandfather) > > We're trying to figure out who the son is. > > THE LETTER: ISAAC BROWN TO JONATHAN LAW Honerd Sir my son the bearer > hereof was one of the men that Inlisted for the Canaday Expedition and > now is about another Expedition to albany and has some Incuragement of > a L Commission if he will fit himself and In order to do that he wants > his wages and I beg of your honour to Let him have them the want of > which will utterly Disapoint his going to albeny (Albany) > > Sir I hope your Honour will Consider the matter and give all Just > Incuragement to any that is willing to defend the Country I am Sir yr > Honours most humble and obedient Sert ISAAC BROWN NORWALK JaT 27th > 1747 8 > > Superscribed To The Hon e J LAW Esqr Att Milford > Govr of The Colony of Conn > > Indorsed Mr Browns Letter Janar 27 recev 1747/8 > > Source: The Law papers: correspondence and documents during Jonathan > Law ..., Volume 15 By Connecticut (Colony). Governor, 1741-1750 > (Jonathan Law) > > THE CT MUST ROLES: for 1747-48 show the following Browns - > POSSIBILITIES: Benjamin, Sergeant Caleb, Ensign John, John, Joseph, > Nathaniel, Patt, Peter, and Thomas > > As I said - we're trying to determine which one is the son of Isaac > Brown - who wrote the letter. > > He would probably have been born sometime between 1712 and 1730..... > He was probably born in CT or in England..... > > > Does anyone out there have one of these Browns? > Thanks - Mark Brown > > >

In January 27, 1747/48 (Norwalk) Isaac Brown & Joseph Lockwood sent a letter to CT Governor Jonathan Law on behalf of Isaac's son. (Lockwood is the maternal grandfather) We're trying to figure out who the son is. THE LETTER: ISAAC BROWN TO JONATHAN LAW Honerd Sir my son the bearer hereof was one of the men that Inlisted for the Canaday Expedition and now is about another Expedition to albany and has some Incuragement of a L Commission if he will fit himself and In order to do that he wants his wages and I beg of your honour to Let him have them the want of which will utterly Disapoint his going to albeny (Albany) Sir I hope your Honour will Consider the matter and give all Just Incuragement to any that is willing to defend the Country I am Sir yr Honours most humble and obedient Sert ISAAC BROWN NORWALK JaT 27th 1747 8 Superscribed To The Hon e J LAW Esqr Att Milford Govr of The Colony of Conn Indorsed Mr Browns Letter Janar 27 recev 1747/8 Source: The Law papers: correspondence and documents during Jonathan Law ..., Volume 15 By Connecticut (Colony). Governor, 1741-1750 (Jonathan Law) THE CT MUST ROLES: for 1747-48 show the following Browns - POSSIBILITIES: Benjamin, Sergeant Caleb, Ensign John, John, Joseph, Nathaniel, Patt, Peter, and Thomas As I said - we're trying to determine which one is the son of Isaac Brown - who wrote the letter. He would probably have been born sometime between 1712 and 1730..... He was probably born in CT or in England..... Does anyone out there have one of these Browns? Thanks - Mark Brown

I am seeking the parents of William Riley Brown, born circa 1827 in Georgia. He married circa 1850, likely in Paulding County, Georgia, as he shows up there with his new bride in the 1850 census. He is enumerated as Riley Brown in Calhoun County, Alabama by 1860 among several Browns of the right age to have been his father. Thanks, David

Thank you Jim--your reply was about what I expected after looking into this about 6 yrs ago---but I had heard some advances were in the works so I really appreciate your update and the hopes that someday we might have a chance. I have names for her parents and will have to get to the area to do some research for siblings though she died in 1895 at 103 yrs so I am not sure how much I will be able to find on her family/brothers, if there are any of them.    She has been an enigma to me but sounds like a pretty interesting lady and I look forward to finding out more about her. I am lucky enough to have a couple of photos of her--but now the real work begins!   Barb   In a message dated Tues, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:16 -0800 (PST), Barb Stevens  <genealogybarb@snet.net> writes: >> Any suggestions  and updates on DNA going thru the female line are appreciated  Hello Barb and everybody else! It's pretty much a  hopeless cause to try researching your Brown ancestry via DNA, since that  ancestry came down to you via one or more females. Stated another way, it's just an unfortunate fact of biological science  that we can't yet use your brothers' DNA or your own DNA to trace back to your Brown ancestors, because the Y-chromosome DNA we use in the Brown project -- and  in all other surname tracing projects -- is handed down only in an unbroken  male-to-male line. On the other hand the situation may be  "hopeless" only for the time being, since there's a very new testing method on  the horizon, one that sometimes may be able to detect a relationship involving a  mix of male and female ancestors. These tests may be described  as "genome-wide SNP sampling." They have been sold most  recently by the "23andMe" company and by the just-bankrupt "DeCodeMe"  company, but I'll bet competing companies will eventually offer  them also. We don't yet employ this kind of testing as part of  the Brown DNA Study, although we may do so within a few years. The reasons we  don't use these tests are several: 1. They are still  very expensive -- at least three or four times the cost of the tests we now  use for tracing the Brown surname. 2. They seldom can  detect relationships over a span that goes back more than six or  seven generations. And even then, the chances of finding matches are very  much "hit and miss."  (For example, I have a small match on my 23andMe  test with a known sixth cousin. But I don't match her uncle, who shares exactly  the same Brown ancestry!) 3. Even if you should buy one  of these tests now, the database of other test participants is still so small  that you'd be unlikely to "pick up" a genealogically useful  relationship. 4. The genealogical applications of these tests are still very  much in an "experimental" phase.  But I do anticipate that  the underlying science and technology will generate changes over the long  run that will be very favorable for genealogy. So maybe we'll eventually be able  to use DNA for tracing your Browns, say within four or five years. Keep your  fingers crossed! Finally, if you want to read more about the current thinking on these tests (and about the associated controversies, which are numerous), you may browse the  archives of the Genealogy-DNA mailing list: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/GENEALOGY-DNA.html Hope  this helps. And I'm always glad to discuss further. Best  regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project  Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com  http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm

Hello, My wife was a Brown and he family is from Morgan City LA,and all parts around. Her Grandfather and Father was Eugene John Brown. Garland Walker Treasure you relationships, not your possessions --- kdberr1@aol.com wrote: From: kdberr1@aol.com To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: [BROWN] Brown family puzzle -- can you help me figure this out? Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:24:12 -0500 HI: I'm researching my BROWN line in two parishes, East Feliciana and East Baton Rouge, LA. I recently met a woman who claims to be related to me through the Brown family but I can't figure out how -- or even IF -- she is related. Her parents are John Leo Brown and his wife. John Leo's parents were CHARLES HENRY BROWN and ADDIE CASON of East Feliciana Parish. I used Ancestry.com and found Charles' WWI registration papers -- he was born in December, 1876. He and Addie had 3 children so far (up through the 1920 Census). Charles Henry was also a teacher in East Feliciana Parish. I found Charles Henry in the 1900, 1910, and 1920 Censuses for East Feliciana Parish, but NOT in the 1880 Census. Here's the problem: The granddaughter (John Leo's daughter) says she doesn't know how we are related but thinks that Charles Henry was a son of CHARLES BROWN (born ca. 1831, died Sept. 1879). That can't be right. Here's why. Both Charles Henry and Charles (my great-grandfather AND the son of Charles Brown) lived in East Feliciana Parish at the same time in 1910. However, my great-grandfather was born in 1868 or 1869 and was older than Charles Henry. So he's definitely not the son of Charles Brown -- why would the parents name two sons the same name? Further complicating this is that Charles Henry's son Charles Jr. created a family history booklet -- looks as if he wrote it in the 1980s. Unfortunately he didn't include a family tree and wrote it like a narrative with his childhood memories, as if everyone who read the booklet would understand how everyone was related. Therefore, even though there are several of my family members in the booklet, which shows there is some kind of relationship, it's not specified. My best guess is that he was some kind of cousin. Maybe his parents were related to Charles Brown and named their son after a grandfather or uncle. I say this because I only know about Charles Brown's wife and children, not his parents or siblings. I don't know who his family was. But whose son was he, and how was he related to my Charles Brown's family? I have Census records as I mentioned before, but not for 1880, which would show who his parents were. I don't have a death certificate for Charles Henry either, which would also show his parents' names. And it doesn't help that so many of these men are named Charles! Anyway, I've been trying to trace each man year by year, but have reached a dead end for Charles Henry. What other records could I search for that might help me verify who his parents were? What am I missing in my research? Thanks. Kberry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____________________________________________________________ Get Your Free Email at www.NativeWeb.net, Resources for Indigenous Cultures around the World

HI: I'm researching my BROWN line in two parishes, East Feliciana and East Baton Rouge, LA. I recently met a woman who claims to be related to me through the Brown family but I can't figure out how -- or even IF -- she is related. Her parents are John Leo Brown and his wife. John Leo's parents were CHARLES HENRY BROWN and ADDIE CASON of East Feliciana Parish. I used Ancestry.com and found Charles' WWI registration papers -- he was born in December, 1876. He and Addie had 3 children so far (up through the 1920 Census). Charles Henry was also a teacher in East Feliciana Parish. I found Charles Henry in the 1900, 1910, and 1920 Censuses for East Feliciana Parish, but NOT in the 1880 Census. Here's the problem: The granddaughter (John Leo's daughter) says she doesn't know how we are related but thinks that Charles Henry was a son of CHARLES BROWN (born ca. 1831, died Sept. 1879). That can't be right. Here's why. Both Charles Henry and Charles (my great-grandfather AND the son of Charles Brown) lived in East Feliciana Parish at the same time in 1910. However, my great-grandfather was born in 1868 or 1869 and was older than Charles Henry. So he's definitely not the son of Charles Brown -- why would the parents name two sons the same name? Further complicating this is that Charles Henry's son Charles Jr. created a family history booklet -- looks as if he wrote it in the 1980s. Unfortunately he didn't include a family tree and wrote it like a narrative with his childhood memories, as if everyone who read the booklet would understand how everyone was related. Therefore, even though there are several of my family members in the booklet, which shows there is some kind of relationship, it's not specified. My best guess is that he was some kind of cousin. Maybe his parents were related to Charles Brown and named their son after a grandfather or uncle. I say this because I only know about Charles Brown's wife and children, not his parents or siblings. I don't know who his family was. But whose son was he, and how was he related to my Charles Brown's family? I have Census records as I mentioned before, but not for 1880, which would show who his parents were. I don't have a death certificate for Charles Henry either, which would also show his parents' names. And it doesn't help that so many of these men are named Charles! Anyway, I've been trying to trace each man year by year, but have reached a dead end for Charles Henry. What other records could I search for that might help me verify who his parents were? What am I missing in my research? Thanks. Kberry

Again sorry this was to be for my record of correspondences' for this year. Ellie -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eleanor Prieskorn Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:27 AM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: [BROWN] Brown DNA/ & reply to Barb Stevens Sorry I was half asleep when I wrote the reply below; I had the same thing with my browns; but I was lucky; my grandfather was also born out of wedlock but the Mother was a Johnson and the father a Brown; this is a mess; grandfather was put on the "Orphan Train" at about 3 years of age I think one of the family took him off in Jay County Indiana; then between the age of 5 to 9 he ran away and was taken in by Thomas F Bryant and his wife Catherine; I found him there in the 1880 census stating took to raise he was said to be 9 years of age; when grandfather married he filled out his contract with his Mother and fathers name; Ellen Johnson (she never married) and William H Brown was on his second marriage. I have found some errors; like the age of grandfather; on the train his birth was 1871 on his death certificate his birth was 3 Nov 1868; he was named after his father William Henry Brown; when he married he was William Henry Bryant. he was not adopted by the Bryant's; his birth Mother must have stayed close to him for all the information grandfather had on his birth father. no one in our family knew any of this until a cousin and I started digging into our family history; the more we uncovered the more shocked all of us were. We are all proud of our 3 generations of Bryant's; Grandfather our Father and my brothers; my one brother did the Brown DNA right now we have had no matches; the other brother had one son; he has 2 sons so with luck our Bryant's will grow. I tracked the birth father and mother back as far as Abraham Braum; No year given but his son Johan Michael Braun b 15 Jan 1723/24 Lancaster PA. d 13 Mar 1785 East Hanover, Lancaster PA. On down to birth father William H Brown b 18 Oct 1822 Clinton Ohio; d 20 Apr 1889- Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Mother Ellen Johnson b 1835 Stark, Ohio d 1901 Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Her family back to 1733/34 Allegany; Maryland Over 40 years of research; I am just now on the very slack side and almost ready to quit on all lines leaving it to someone else. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eleanor Prieskorn Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:03 AM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Your female has a father (a Brown) does she have any brothers? Nephews; if you have the info on your female track from her father. That is what we had to do with our female on my Lee's; We have now tracked back to the 1700's from her father to brothers And found a Lee male we used him for DNA it was My Gr grandmother To one of her brothers sons. Females are not a brick wall unless you have no info on her. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Stevens Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Hello I have looked into DNA testing for my Browns but we descend thru the female line and I am not sure where that stands now. We were told several years ago that most testing is done thru the male line--but we have no male line! LOL I know that sounds funny but my ggg grandmother Sarah Brown of Granby, CT and of the family of very early Browns in Windsor, CT--had 4 children. I only knew of my gg grandfather--her son Wadsworth Brown until about 7 yrs ago when I found in town records that all 4 kids were "the illegitimate child of Sarah "Aunt Sally" Brown!" LOL Unfortunately--I had my Mom with me at that time and she did NOT get the chuckle out of it that I did! I do have 3 brothers--but as of last time I explored the issue--there was still nothing much they could do with going thru the male line---when we don't really have any male line! Sarah's 4 kids quite likely had 2-4 different fathers. We have no contact with any relatives of that family except one very elderly female cousin from the same generation as my Mom, who just died at age 88. It has been along period of Mom's decreasing health over about 4-5 years and my genealogy has suffered as I tried to take care of Mom, and my family and grandkids--and work. Genealogy has kind of been on the back burner and I am anxious to get things rolling again. Any suggestions and updates on DNA going thru the female line are appreciated Barb Barb in CT Any updates and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.707 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 01:50:00

Sorry I was half asleep when I wrote the reply below; I had the same thing with my browns; but I was lucky; my grandfather was also born out of wedlock but the Mother was a Johnson and the father a Brown; this is a mess; grandfather was put on the "Orphan Train" at about 3 years of age I think one of the family took him off in Jay County Indiana; then between the age of 5 to 9 he ran away and was taken in by Thomas F Bryant and his wife Catherine; I found him there in the 1880 census stating took to raise he was said to be 9 years of age; when grandfather married he filled out his contract with his Mother and fathers name; Ellen Johnson (she never married) and William H Brown was on his second marriage. I have found some errors; like the age of grandfather; on the train his birth was 1871 on his death certificate his birth was 3 Nov 1868; he was named after his father William Henry Brown; when he married he was William Henry Bryant. he was not adopted by the Bryant's; his birth Mother must have stayed close to him for all the information grandfather had on his birth father. no one in our family knew any of this until a cousin and I started digging into our family history; the more we uncovered the more shocked all of us were. We are all proud of our 3 generations of Bryant's; Grandfather our Father and my brothers; my one brother did the Brown DNA right now we have had no matches; the other brother had one son; he has 2 sons so with luck our Bryant's will grow. I tracked the birth father and mother back as far as Abraham Braum; No year given but his son Johan Michael Braun b 15 Jan 1723/24 Lancaster PA. d 13 Mar 1785 East Hanover, Lancaster PA. On down to birth father William H Brown b 18 Oct 1822 Clinton Ohio; d 20 Apr 1889- Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Mother Ellen Johnson b 1835 Stark, Ohio d 1901 Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Her family back to 1733/34 Allegany; Maryland Over 40 years of research; I am just now on the very slack side and almost ready to quit on all lines leaving it to someone else. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eleanor Prieskorn Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:03 AM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Your female has a father (a Brown) does she have any brothers? Nephews; if you have the info on your female track from her father. That is what we had to do with our female on my Lee's; We have now tracked back to the 1700's from her father to brothers And found a Lee male we used him for DNA it was My Gr grandmother To one of her brothers sons. Females are not a brick wall unless you have no info on her. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Stevens Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Hello I have looked into DNA testing for my Browns but we descend thru the female line and I am not sure where that stands now. We were told several years ago that most testing is done thru the male line--but we have no male line! LOL I know that sounds funny but my ggg grandmother Sarah Brown of Granby, CT and of the family of very early Browns in Windsor, CT--had 4 children. I only knew of my gg grandfather--her son Wadsworth Brown until about 7 yrs ago when I found in town records that all 4 kids were "the illegitimate child of Sarah "Aunt Sally" Brown!" LOL Unfortunately--I had my Mom with me at that time and she did NOT get the chuckle out of it that I did! I do have 3 brothers--but as of last time I explored the issue--there was still nothing much they could do with going thru the male line---when we don't really have any male line! Sarah's 4 kids quite likely had 2-4 different fathers. We have no contact with any relatives of that family except one very elderly female cousin from the same generation as my Mom, who just died at age 88. It has been along period of Mom's decreasing health over about 4-5 years and my genealogy has suffered as I tried to take care of Mom, and my family and grandkids--and work. Genealogy has kind of been on the back burner and I am anxious to get things rolling again. Any suggestions and updates on DNA going thru the female line are appreciated Barb Barb in CT Any updates and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Sorry I was half asleep when I wrote the reply below; I had the same thing with my browns; but I was lucky; my grandfather was also born out of wedlock but the Mother was a Johnson and the father a Brown; this is a mess; grandfather was put on the "Orphan Train" at about 3 years of age I think one of the family took him off in Jay County Indiana; then between the age of 5 to 9 he ran away and was taken in by Thomas F Bryant and his wife Catherine; I found him there in the 1880 census stating took to raise he was said to be 9 years of age; when grandfather married he filled out his contract with his Mother and fathers name; Ellen Johnson (she never married) and William H Brown was on his second marriage. I have found some errors; like the age of grandfather; on the train his birth was 1871 on his death certificate his birth was 3 Nov 1868; he was named after his father William Henry Brown; when he married he was William Henry Bryant. he was not adopted by the Bryant's; his birth Mother must have stayed close to him for all the information grandfather had on his birth father. no one in our family knew any of this until a cousin and I started digging into our family history; the more we uncovered the more shocked all of us were. We are all proud of our 3 generations of Bryant's; Grandfather our Father and my brothers; my one brother did the Brown DNA right now we have had no matches; the other brother had one son; he has 2 sons so with luck our Bryant's will grow. I tracked the birth father and mother back as far as Abraham Braum; No year given but his son Johan Michael Braun b 15 Jan 1723/24 Lancaster PA. d 13 Mar 1785 East Hanover, Lancaster PA. On down to birth father William H Brown b 18 Oct 1822 Clinton Ohio; d 20 Apr 1889- Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Mother Ellen Johnson b 1835 Stark, Ohio d 1901 Washington Twp Decatur Co. Indiana. Her family back to 1733/34 Allegany; Maryland Over 40 years of research; I am just now on the very slack side and almost ready to quit on all lines leaving it to someone else. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eleanor Prieskorn Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:03 AM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Your female has a father (a Brown) does she have any brothers? Nephews; if you have the info on your female track from her father. That is what we had to do with our female on my Lee's; We have now tracked back to the 1700's from her father to brothers And found a Lee male we used him for DNA it was My Gr grandmother To one of her brothers sons. Females are not a brick wall unless you have no info on her. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Stevens Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Hello  I have looked into DNA testing for my Browns but we descend thru the female line and I am not sure where that stands now. We were told several years ago that most testing is done thru the male line--but we have no male line! LOL   I know that sounds funny but my ggg grandmother Sarah Brown of Granby, CT and of the family of very early Browns in Windsor, CT--had 4 children. I only knew of my gg grandfather--her son Wadsworth Brown until about 7 yrs ago when I found in town records that all  4 kids were "the illegitimate child of Sarah "Aunt Sally" Brown!"  LOL Unfortunately--I had my Mom with me at that time and she did NOT get the chuckle out of it that I did!   I do have 3 brothers--but as of last time I explored  the issue--there was still nothing much they could do with going thru the male line---when we don't really have any male line! Sarah's 4 kids quite likely had 2-4 different fathers. We have no contact with any relatives of that family except one very elderly female cousin from the same generation as my Mom, who just died at age 88. It has been along period of Mom's decreasing health over about 4-5 years and my genealogy has suffered as I tried to take care of Mom, and my family and grandkids--and work. Genealogy has kind of been on the back burner and I am anxious to get things rolling again.   Any suggestions and updates on DNA  going thru the female line are appreciated Barb   Barb in CT   Any updates and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> wrote: From: W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> Subject: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:56 AM The Brown DNA Study is a volunteer, non-profit activity whose aims are to  encourage and support DNA analysis for genealogical research that traces the "Brown" surname, including variant surnames like Browne, Braun, Broun, and Browning. The project now has 605 sets of members' DNA results. Among these  members, 406 men have matches that appear potentially useful for genealogy,  while 199 others are still awaiting their first matches. Our 406 matched members  fall into 119 "relationship groups." So if you add the latter number to our 202  sets of non-matched results, you'll see that so far we've identified some 341  biologically distinct Brown family lines. This total implies a huge diversity of  origins for our surname -- something that few may ever have suspected! Please note that biological science can't yet employ female  DNA for reliable tracing of the Brown surname. But women are very active in our  project by way sponsoring tests by their male relatives. So if you're female,  please consider supporting our research via a DNA test by one of your  Brown-surnamed brothers, fathers, sons, uncles, nephews or male cousins. Finally, if you'd like info on costs and other details, please  contact me by direct email (off-list) at DNAforBrowns@aol.com. Best  regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project  Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com or  W5DRP@aol.com http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm PS:  The Brown DNA Study is also sponsoring a program of free tests for  Brown-surnamed men born in Scotland and Ulster. Test kits have now been  distributed to five men. Funds remaining in the program will allow us to finance  17 more tests. So if you're a Brown-surnamed man born in Scotland or Ulster,  we'd love to send you one of our free test  kits! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.707 / Virus Database: 270.14.69/2508 - Release Date: 11/17/09 01:40:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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In a message dated Tues, 17 Nov 2009 17:19:16 -0800 (PST), Barb Stevens <genealogybarb@snet.net> writes: >> Any suggestions and updates on DNA going thru the female line are appreciated << Hello Barb and everybody else! It's pretty much a hopeless cause to try researching your Brown ancestry via DNA, since that ancestry came down to you via one or more females. Stated another way, it's just an unfortunate fact of biological science that we can't yet use your brothers' DNA or your own DNA to trace back to your Brown ancestors, because the Y-chromosome DNA we use in the Brown project -- and in all other surname tracing projects -- is handed down only in an unbroken male-to-male line. On the other hand the situation may be "hopeless" only for the time being, since there's a very new testing method on the horizon, one that sometimes may be able to detect a relationship involving a mix of male and female ancestors. These tests may be described as "genome-wide SNP sampling." They have been sold most recently by the "23andMe" company and by the just-bankrupt "DeCodeMe" company, but I'll bet competing companies will eventually offer them also. We don't yet employ this kind of testing as part of the Brown DNA Study, although we may do so within a few years. The reasons we don't use these tests are several: 1. They are still very expensive -- at least three or four times the cost of the tests we now use for tracing the Brown surname. 2. They seldom can detect relationships over a span that goes back more than six or seven generations. And even then, the chances of finding matches are very much "hit and miss." (For example, I have a small match on my 23andMe test with a known sixth cousin. But I don't match her uncle, who shares exactly the same Brown ancestry!) 3. Even if you should buy one of these tests now, the database of other test participants is still so small that you'd be unlikely to "pick up" a genealogically useful relationship. 4. The genealogical applications of these tests are still very much in an "experimental" phase. But I do anticipate that the underlying science and technology will generate changes over the long run that will be very favorable for genealogy. So maybe we'll eventually be able to use DNA for tracing your Browns, say within four or five years. Keep your fingers crossed! Finally, if you want to read more about the current thinking on these tests (and about the associated controversies, which are numerous), you may browse the archives of the Genealogy-DNA mailing list: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/DNA/GENEALOGY-DNA.html Hope this helps. And I'm always glad to discuss further. Best regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm

Your female has a father (a Brown) does she have any brothers? Nephews; if you have the info on your female track from her father. That is what we had to do with our female on my Lee's; We have now tracked back to the 1700's from her father to brothers And found a Lee male we used him for DNA it was My Gr grandmother To one of her brothers sons. Females are not a brick wall unless you have no info on her. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Stevens Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: brown@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Hello  I have looked into DNA testing for my Browns but we descend thru the female line and I am not sure where that stands now. We were told several years ago that most testing is done thru the male line--but we have no male line! LOL   I know that sounds funny but my ggg grandmother Sarah Brown of Granby, CT and of the family of very early Browns in Windsor, CT--had 4 children. I only knew of my gg grandfather--her son Wadsworth Brown until about 7 yrs ago when I found in town records that all  4 kids were "the illegitimate child of Sarah "Aunt Sally" Brown!"  LOL Unfortunately--I had my Mom with me at that time and she did NOT get the chuckle out of it that I did!   I do have 3 brothers--but as of last time I explored  the issue--there was still nothing much they could do with going thru the male line---when we don't really have any male line! Sarah's 4 kids quite likely had 2-4 different fathers. We have no contact with any relatives of that family except one very elderly female cousin from the same generation as my Mom, who just died at age 88. It has been along period of Mom's decreasing health over about 4-5 years and my genealogy has suffered as I tried to take care of Mom, and my family and grandkids--and work. Genealogy has kind of been on the back burner and I am anxious to get things rolling again.   Any suggestions and updates on DNA  going thru the female line are appreciated Barb   Barb in CT   Any updates and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> wrote: From: W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> Subject: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:56 AM The Brown DNA Study is a volunteer, non-profit activity whose aims are to  encourage and support DNA analysis for genealogical research that traces the "Brown" surname, including variant surnames like Browne, Braun, Broun, and Browning. The project now has 605 sets of members' DNA results. Among these  members, 406 men have matches that appear potentially useful for genealogy,  while 199 others are still awaiting their first matches. Our 406 matched members  fall into 119 "relationship groups." So if you add the latter number to our 202  sets of non-matched results, you'll see that so far we've identified some 341  biologically distinct Brown family lines. This total implies a huge diversity of  origins for our surname -- something that few may ever have suspected! Please note that biological science can't yet employ female  DNA for reliable tracing of the Brown surname. But women are very active in our  project by way sponsoring tests by their male relatives. So if you're female,  please consider supporting our research via a DNA test by one of your  Brown-surnamed brothers, fathers, sons, uncles, nephews or male cousins. Finally, if you'd like info on costs and other details, please  contact me by direct email (off-list) at DNAforBrowns@aol.com. Best  regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project  Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com or  W5DRP@aol.com http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm PS:  The Brown DNA Study is also sponsoring a program of free tests for  Brown-surnamed men born in Scotland and Ulster. Test kits have now been  distributed to five men. Funds remaining in the program will allow us to finance  17 more tests. So if you're a Brown-surnamed man born in Scotland or Ulster,  we'd love to send you one of our free test  kits! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.707 / Virus Database: 270.14.69/2508 - Release Date: 11/17/09 01:40:00

Yes, this is what we did with our Boling Line. Tracked down a descendant from a brother of my gggrandmother. Wish I could find a male Brown descendant to test! Just in case any of my male Brown Cousins are on the list -- I am descended from James Frank Brown, born circa 1850 in Wilkes County NC. He married Martha H. Sparks. They subsequently moved to Tazewell County VA where Frank died in February 1925. I believe his parents to be George W. Brown and Elizabeth (Betsy). I have census reports, etc., but have been told that was a "different" person - can't be sure. Any clues would be greatly appreciated. Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: Eleanor Prieskorn<mailto:dalell@embarqmail.com> To: brown@rootsweb.com<mailto:brown@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Your female has a father (a Brown) does she have any brothers? Nephews; if you have the info on your female track from her father. That is what we had to do with our female on my Lee's; We have now tracked back to the 1700's from her father to brothers And found a Lee male we used him for DNA it was My Gr grandmother To one of her brothers sons. Females are not a brick wall unless you have no info on her. Ellie Warsaw MO. -----Original Message----- From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com<mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barb Stevens Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 7:19 PM To: brown@rootsweb.com<mailto:brown@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! Hello I have looked into DNA testing for my Browns but we descend thru the female line and I am not sure where that stands now. We were told several years ago that most testing is done thru the male line--but we have no male line! LOL I know that sounds funny but my ggg grandmother Sarah Brown of Granby, CT and of the family of very early Browns in Windsor, CT--had 4 children. I only knew of my gg grandfather--her son Wadsworth Brown until about 7 yrs ago when I found in town records that all 4 kids were "the illegitimate child of Sarah "Aunt Sally" Brown!" LOL Unfortunately--I had my Mom with me at that time and she did NOT get the chuckle out of it that I did! I do have 3 brothers--but as of last time I explored the issue--there was still nothing much they could do with going thru the male line---when we don't really have any male line! Sarah's 4 kids quite likely had 2-4 different fathers. We have no contact with any relatives of that family except one very elderly female cousin from the same generation as my Mom, who just died at age 88. It has been along period of Mom's decreasing health over about 4-5 years and my genealogy has suffered as I tried to take care of Mom, and my family and grandkids--and work. Genealogy has kind of been on the back burner and I am anxious to get things rolling again. Any suggestions and updates on DNA going thru the female line are appreciated Barb Barb in CT Any updates and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, W5DRP@aol.com<mailto:W5DRP@aol.com> <W5DRP@aol.com<mailto:W5DRP@aol.com>> wrote: From: W5DRP@aol.com<mailto:W5DRP@aol.com> <W5DRP@aol.com<mailto:W5DRP@aol.com>> Subject: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! To: brown@rootsweb.com<mailto:brown@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:56 AM The Brown DNA Study is a volunteer, non-profit activity whose aims are to encourage and support DNA analysis for genealogical research that traces the "Brown" surname, including variant surnames like Browne, Braun, Broun, and Browning. The project now has 605 sets of members' DNA results. Among these members, 406 men have matches that appear potentially useful for genealogy, while 199 others are still awaiting their first matches. Our 406 matched members fall into 119 "relationship groups." So if you add the latter number to our 202 sets of non-matched results, you'll see that so far we've identified some 341 biologically distinct Brown family lines. This total implies a huge diversity of origins for our surname -- something that few may ever have suspected! Please note that biological science can't yet employ female DNA for reliable tracing of the Brown surname. But women are very active in our project by way sponsoring tests by their male relatives. So if you're female, please consider supporting our research via a DNA test by one of your Brown-surnamed brothers, fathers, sons, uncles, nephews or male cousins. Finally, if you'd like info on costs and other details, please contact me by direct email (off-list) at DNAforBrowns@aol.com<mailto:DNAforBrowns@aol.com>. Best regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com<mailto:DNAforBrowns@aol.com> or W5DRP@aol.com<mailto:W5DRP@aol.com> http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm<http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm> PS: The Brown DNA Study is also sponsoring a program of free tests for Brown-surnamed men born in Scotland and Ulster. Test kits have now been distributed to five men. Funds remaining in the program will allow us to finance 17 more tests. So if you're a Brown-surnamed man born in Scotland or Ulster, we'd love to send you one of our free test kits! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BROWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BROWN-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hello  I have looked into DNA testing for my Browns but we descend thru the female line and I am not sure where that stands now. We were told several years ago that most testing is done thru the male line--but we have no male line! LOL   I know that sounds funny but my ggg grandmother Sarah Brown of Granby, CT and of the family of very early Browns in Windsor, CT--had 4 children. I only knew of my gg grandfather--her son Wadsworth Brown until about 7 yrs ago when I found in town records that all  4 kids were "the illegitimate child of Sarah "Aunt Sally" Brown!"  LOL Unfortunately--I had my Mom with me at that time and she did NOT get the chuckle out of it that I did!   I do have 3 brothers--but as of last time I explored  the issue--there was still nothing much they could do with going thru the male line---when we don't really have any male line! Sarah's 4 kids quite likely had 2-4 different fathers. We have no contact with any relatives of that family except one very elderly female cousin from the same generation as my Mom, who just died at age 88. It has been along period of Mom's decreasing health over about 4-5 years and my genealogy has suffered as I tried to take care of Mom, and my family and grandkids--and work. Genealogy has kind of been on the back burner and I am anxious to get things rolling again.   Any suggestions and updates on DNA  going thru the female line are appreciated Barb   Barb in CT   Any updates and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. --- On Tue, 11/17/09, W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> wrote: From: W5DRP@aol.com <W5DRP@aol.com> Subject: [BROWN] Brown DNA Study Passes 600 Members! To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, November 17, 2009, 9:56 AM The Brown DNA Study is a volunteer, non-profit activity whose aims are to  encourage and support DNA analysis for genealogical research that traces the "Brown" surname, including variant surnames like Browne, Braun, Broun, and Browning. The project now has 605 sets of members' DNA results. Among these  members, 406 men have matches that appear potentially useful for genealogy,  while 199 others are still awaiting their first matches. Our 406 matched members  fall into 119 "relationship groups." So if you add the latter number to our 202  sets of non-matched results, you'll see that so far we've identified some 341  biologically distinct Brown family lines. This total implies a huge diversity of  origins for our surname -- something that few may ever have suspected! Please note that biological science can't yet employ female  DNA for reliable tracing of the Brown surname. But women are very active in our  project by way sponsoring tests by their male relatives. So if you're female,  please consider supporting our research via a DNA test by one of your  Brown-surnamed brothers, fathers, sons, uncles, nephews or male cousins. Finally, if you'd like info on costs and other details, please  contact me by direct email (off-list) at DNAforBrowns@aol.com. Best  regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project  Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com or  W5DRP@aol.com http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm PS:  The Brown DNA Study is also sponsoring a program of free tests for  Brown-surnamed men born in Scotland and Ulster. Test kits have now been  distributed to five men. Funds remaining in the program will allow us to finance  17 more tests. So if you're a Brown-surnamed man born in Scotland or Ulster,  we'd love to send you one of our free test  kits! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Brown DNA Study is a volunteer, non-profit activity whose aims are to encourage and support DNA analysis for genealogical research that traces the "Brown" surname, including variant surnames like Browne, Braun, Broun, and Browning. The project now has 605 sets of members' DNA results. Among these members, 406 men have matches that appear potentially useful for genealogy, while 199 others are still awaiting their first matches. Our 406 matched members fall into 119 "relationship groups." So if you add the latter number to our 202 sets of non-matched results, you'll see that so far we've identified some 341 biologically distinct Brown family lines. This total implies a huge diversity of origins for our surname -- something that few may ever have suspected! Please note that biological science can't yet employ female DNA for reliable tracing of the Brown surname. But women are very active in our project by way sponsoring tests by their male relatives. So if you're female, please consider supporting our research via a DNA test by one of your Brown-surnamed brothers, fathers, sons, uncles, nephews or male cousins. Finally, if you'd like info on costs and other details, please contact me by direct email (off-list) at DNAforBrowns@aol.com. Best regards, Jim Brown (James Armistead Brown, Jr.) Volunteer Project Administrator Brown/Browne/Braun DNA Study DNAforBrowns@aol.com or W5DRP@aol.com http://brownsociety.org/browndna/dna-brown.htm PS: The Brown DNA Study is also sponsoring a program of free tests for Brown-surnamed men born in Scotland and Ulster. Test kits have now been distributed to five men. Funds remaining in the program will allow us to finance 17 more tests. So if you're a Brown-surnamed man born in Scotland or Ulster, we'd love to send you one of our free test kits!