It's a question of precision, and a hope that we may be able to uncover a "private" mutation that could connect you to a specific line. I talk about private mutations on this page: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/General/SignatureMarkers.shtml I direct your attention to John (#G-6) and Gideon (#GX-1) in the "Gibson Lineage III-A" group. While everyone in the table is related, the GIBSONs in genealogical time and the JUSTICEs possibly before surname adoption, only these two individuals have a mutation from 13 to 14 at DYS392 (dark purple table cells). Because no one else in the table has these values, this must be a recent mutation, shared by a common ancestor nearer to them than the ancestor of all of them. A check of the paper pedigrees of these two individuals suggests John (#G-6) is probably the great-grandfather of Gideon (GX-1). I recommend studying this page because I believe the ideas here are key to making the best use of your test data. There's another example from my CORBIN project, where we have a CORBIN who is genetically a SHERMAN: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgR1b.shtml#Sherman This CORBIN shares a private mutation at DYS446 (bright green table cells) with a SHERMAN tested at SMGF, but with none of the other SHERMANs, meaning they have a near common ancestor. What's driving me up the walls is, as you may know, there is no way to contact someone tested at SMGF. The CORBIN would like to pay him to join FTDNA and fill out all 67 markers, but we've no way to reach him. But sooner or later, more SHERMANs will be tested, and another one with that mutation will turn up. We just have to be patient. If doing genealogy takes patience, and we all know it does, doing DNA for genealogy takes even more patience. So, one reason you test as many markers as possible is to find those shared, private mutations that connect you to a near common ancestor -- your branch on the family tree. These branches are especially important for someone with an NPE, where there's no paper connection. As for deep SNP testing, well, no, it's not necessary. If cost is an issue, I say test more markers and put off the deep SNP testing. It can be helpful in ruling out a coincidental near match of haplotypes, but those are very rare. It's definitely helpful to the research effort as a whole, and it will increase your understanding of your "deep" roots, but it's not going to help you with your genealogy. I have to admit to having an insatiable curiosity, so I'm a DNA testing company's dream. I'll take every test available! ;-) Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of FBrown726@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:45 AM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Thank you Diana. I am such a novice at this and I have a couple of > questions. Of how much value is an upgrade from a 37 to 67 > marker test? How much value is knowing the haplotree that you > talk about here? FTDNA predicts my deep haplogroup as R1b1b. > They will do a "Deep Clade-R test" for $89. Is this necessary? > > I have put my data in the Ysearch site but need to figure out > how to search for results. Frank >

Frank I have traced my Broun/Brown ancestry on the paper trail to 1500 in Scotland and could get no further. So I did both a Y -DNA and mtDNA test. The results were that I got close matches to a number of Browns. But I also got a lot of close matches to names like Burns, Hamilton, Ramsey, Maxwell. All of these names have something in common - they are Scottish surnames. So with you and me I would suggest, before surnames became common , our tribe in Scotland lived possibly for thousands of years. By the time surnames started coming in, different surnames were adopted but the underlying DNA was similar or exactly the same in some cases. I would say yes, you are related to these Ramseys and Maxwells but way back before surnames started to be used. You haven't a snowballs chance in hell of matching up with them on the paper trail. By the way my Y-DNA is R1b1b2. Those of you that have had your Y-DNA done try this little experiment. In inverted commas put in Google your first 12 DNA markers. I did that and I hit a website called Border Reivers. My DNA was most closely associated with the borders of Scotland/England where in fact my paper trail had led me. Ken Brown Gold Coast Australia

You only need to do the tedious manual data entry at Ysearch.org if you were not tested at FTDNA. If you were tested at FTDNA, log in to your member page and click the "Ysearch.org" link down at the lower left, under the "Tools" heading, then follow the instructions. One big advantage of doing it this way is that the FTDNA server transfers your data to Ysearch for you, with the bonus that it's done without error. You can upload your GEDCOM to Ysearch.org either during the creation of your account or anytime later, by clicking the button labeled GEDCOM. I used the same GEDCOM file at Ysearch that I used on my FTDNA member page. Please upload a GEDCOM containing only your patrilineal line or matrilineal line, as the case may be. Your patrilineal and matrilineal lines are the only ones in your pedigree that have any relevance to your DNA testing. Your genealogy software should allow you to pick one line to export. You can upload your full GEDCOM to WorldConnect or somewhere else. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com n Behalf Of Carolyn Brown > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:03 AM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > > I'm afraid it's a bit more tedious than copy/paste. First go > to www.Ysearch.org and click on the "Create A New User" tab > at the top. That gets you to the page which includes > instructions. Because all labs don't test all the same > markers you can't just copy and paste. You will find a > section below the instructions with a blank for the value of > each of your markers. There are converson charts for some > labs who vary just a bit in counting certain markers. That > part is a bit labor intensive if you have tested a large > number of markers. >   > There is a section at the bottom of that page for earliest > known ancestor and some location data as well as a place for > a contact e-mail and name and some comments. I do not believe > there is a section for a full pedigree in Ysearch. > FamilyTreeDNA.com members have a section on their personal > pages where they can upload ged.coms. But I don't think there > is one here. >   > Carolyn Brown >

If you were tested at FTDNA, you should join Ysearch there. Log into your FTDNA member page, then look for the "Ysearch.org" link in the lower left, under the "Tools" heading. Then follow the instructions from there. When you do it this way, you have the advantage that the FTDNA server will upload your results to Ysearch for you, not only saving you a lot of tedious data-entry, but ensuring that it's uploaded without errors. If your cousin was not tested at FTDNA, he needs to go to this page: http://www.ysearch.org/ then click the "Create New User" tab and follow the instructions. Diana P.S. Everyone is backquoting a huge volume of prior messages. You only need to backquote the most recent message, and even that not necessarily completely. Think of all the duplicates that are being saved in the list archive, making for duplicate hits on a search, and wasting hard drive space. > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of M. Kathleen Felsted > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 11:05 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > > Hi Carolyn, > > I have a male cousin who I had tested and we could do that. > > Tell me how! (highlight the data, copy and then paste into YSearch??) > > Is this all set up there for us? > > Thanks, > > Kathie >

Thank you! I will do that. Several of the Maxwells have done that. Frank Yes. If you're getting 37/37 matches, you need to upgrade, and so does the person matching you. And if you match him 37/37, you will probably be matching others 37/37, eventually. To sort out your relationships, you will all need to upgrade to 67 markers, or more. You're in a critical spot, with a possible NPE. You don't need near as strong DNA proof when you have a good paper connection. But when you're wandering in the wilderness with no idea how you might connect on paper, you need the strongest DNA evidence possible, and that means more markers. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of FBrown726@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:51 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > > Thank you Diana. I will try to digest this. So, you think I > should get the 67 marker test? Frank

Yes. If you're getting 37/37 matches, you need to upgrade, and so does the person matching you. And if you match him 37/37, you will probably be matching others 37/37, eventually. To sort out your relationships, you will all need to upgrade to 67 markers, or more. You're in a critical spot, with a possible NPE. You don't need near as strong DNA proof when you have a good paper connection. But when you're wandering in the wilderness with no idea how you might connect on paper, you need the strongest DNA evidence possible, and that means more markers. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of FBrown726@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 10:51 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > > Thank you Diana. I will try to digest this. So, you think I > should get the 67 marker test? Frank > >

Thank you Diana. I am such a novice at this and I have a couple of questions. Of how much value is an upgrade from a 37 to 67 marker test? How much value is knowing the haplotree that you talk about here? FTDNA predicts my deep haplogroup as R1b1b. They will do a "Deep Clade-R test" for $89. Is this necessary? I have put my data in the Ysearch site but need to figure out how to search for results. Frank The Y-DNA haplotree is "hierarchical," so an R1b1b2 would be further downstream on the tree than R1b1b, like this R R-1 R-1a R-1a1 R-1b R-1b1 R-1b1a R-1b1b R-1b1b-1 R-1b1b-2 etc. my Dad is R-1b1b-2a1a-4 (I like to insert the hyphens to make the designations easier to read.) I've extracted the R1b part of the haplotree to make it (I hope) easier to comprehend: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/SNPcharts/R1b_2009-12-16.shtml The chart compares the haplotree used by FTDNA, with the (usually) more up-to-date one compiled by ISOGG (the International Society of Genetic Genealogists -- a good group to join, by the way): http://www.isogg.org/tree/index.html If you want to know your *real* place on the haplotree, you will need to be deepSNP tested. I don't understand what Ken means about the Google search, either. When I'm looking for DNA matches, the first place I look is my FTDNA member page, the second place I look is Ysearch or mitoSearch, and the third place I look is SMGF: http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx It's definitely worth registering at SMGF, if for no other reason than that you can save your searches, so you don't have to manually re-enter the data each time. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of FBrown726@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:38 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Thank you, Ken. I looked at my data and I am R1b1b with no 2 > at the end like yours. I don't know what that means. I have not > educated myself on the DNA work like I probably should. What > you say about the Maxwell and Ramsey names being from Scotland > seem to make sense. With 37/37 markers I have 1 Maxwell and 1 > Ramsey. With 36/37 I have 1 Maxwell. With 35/37 I have 1 Maxwell. > With 34/37 I have 2 Maxwell and 1 White. With 34/37 I have 4 > Maxwell. Nary a Brown. > > I do not understand what you mean about the Google search. > > Frank Brown > Kansas City > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When FTDNA first began business, they only offered the 12-marker test. Then later, they started offering 25 markers, then later, 37 markers, then later, 67 markers. So, it's not the case that they misled you about a 12-marker test being the best. In the beginning, that's all there was, and we rather naively thought maybe that would be all we'd need. Ha! Then FTDNA bought the German company, DNA-Fingerprint, moved it to a new lab at their headquarters in Houston, TX, and added their "advanced" markers to their offering. These are the "DNA-FP" panels you see offered under "Advanced Orders" on your member page. One of the considerable advantages of being tested at FTDNA is that they have such a huge offering of tests. The best way to increase your odds of making a match is to start testing cousins: first, your known cousins, then, your suspected cousins. Not cheap, I know, but genealogy is and always has been an expensive hobby if you want to make fast progress. At least, now, thanks mainly to the Internet, you don't have to be rich to do your genealogy, though you may have to sacrifice some evenings out to pay for DNA testing. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Carol Brown Parker > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 9:13 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank > > I used FamilyTreeMaker DNA. I joined at the first before they > told you that the 12 step was not the best. Then I did the 25 > marker. Have lots of 10 marker with different names but none > with the 25 marker. Haplogroup is R1b1b2 Very frustrating > and I can not get beyond my gggrandfather born 1822. Not > having trouble tracing all my other lines or my husbands just > this one. Been searching John for 22 years. > Carol Brown Parker > >

The Y-DNA haplotree is "hierarchical," so an R1b1b2 would be further downstream on the tree than R1b1b, like this R R-1 R-1a R-1a1 R-1b R-1b1 R-1b1a R-1b1b R-1b1b-1 R-1b1b-2 etc. my Dad is R-1b1b-2a1a-4 (I like to insert the hyphens to make the designations easier to read.) I've extracted the R1b part of the haplotree to make it (I hope) easier to comprehend: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/SNPcharts/R1b_2009-12-16.shtml The chart compares the haplotree used by FTDNA, with the (usually) more up-to-date one compiled by ISOGG (the International Society of Genetic Genealogists -- a good group to join, by the way): http://www.isogg.org/tree/index.html If you want to know your *real* place on the haplotree, you will need to be deepSNP tested. I don't understand what Ken means about the Google search, either. When I'm looking for DNA matches, the first place I look is my FTDNA member page, the second place I look is Ysearch or mitoSearch, and the third place I look is SMGF: http://www.smgf.org/index.jspx It's definitely worth registering at SMGF, if for no other reason than that you can save your searches, so you don't have to manually re-enter the data each time. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of FBrown726@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 8:38 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Thank you, Ken. I looked at my data and I am R1b1b with no 2 > at the end like yours. I don't know what that means. I have not > educated myself on the DNA work like I probably should. What > you say about the Maxwell and Ramsey names being from Scotland > seem to make sense. With 37/37 markers I have 1 Maxwell and 1 > Ramsey. With 36/37 I have 1 Maxwell. With 35/37 I have 1 Maxwell. > With 34/37 I have 2 Maxwell and 1 White. With 34/37 I have 4 > Maxwell. Nary a Brown. > > I do not understand what you mean about the Google search. > > Frank Brown > Kansas City >

I see a Joseph Brown in the 1810 Census Town of Scipio. Is that your Joseph? He is living near Daniel - I suspect that this Daniel is the one related to Alanson. There is some information written about them. Living so close to them he could be related. You also might want to explore FultonHistory.com which has a wide selection of early newspapers from that area. Mark On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:15 AM, kenneth brown wrote: > I have been looking for elijah barton brown for some time. he was > born in 1823 in cayuga county N.Y. His parents were joseph and > clarrissa brown. his family came to Mi. some time between 1823 & > 1840. recors show that he was married in 1848 to lucinda overacker > in wayne county Mi. they lived in ionia county in 1850 per census > records. the census shows a john a brown a few lines away i don't > know if this a relation or not is there someone out there that knows > about these familys? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com

Hi Ken, have you tried the Cayuga County Historian's Office? They have a pretty good collection of information and are usually very helpful. When summer comes again I might be able to check land records in Cayuga County for you. I only spend the summers up there. I too have Cayuga County Browns and some of them also went to Michigan ( Cass County ) Mark Brown Cayuga County Historian's Office Historic Old Post Office Bldg., 3rd floor 157 Genesee Street Auburn, NY 13021 (315) 253-1300 Email: historian@co.cayuga.ny.us Hours: Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Friday 9am-5pm CLOSED ON WEDNESDAY Summer hours 8am-4pm in July & August On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:15 AM, kenneth brown wrote: > I have been looking for elijah barton brown for some time. he was > born in 1823 in cayuga county N.Y. His parents were joseph and > clarrissa brown. his family came to Mi. some time between 1823 & > 1840. recors show that he was married in 1848 to lucinda overacker > in wayne county Mi. they lived in ionia county in 1850 per census > records. the census shows a john a brown a few lines away i don't > know if this a relation or not is there someone out there that knows > about these familys? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com

Ken, If Frank's BROWN's are matching ODOMs and MAXWELLs at the level of 37/37, even though they are Haplogroup R1b1b2, their connection is almost certainly within the span of genealogical time (i.e., under 10 generations): http://www.familytreedna.com/genetic-distance-markers.aspx?testtype=37 which means we are looking at NPEs, not associations before surname adoption. The overall NPE rate is about 10%, so anyone who finds themselves having better matches with surnames other than their own needs to explore the possibility they bear an NPE. And if you don't match a BROWN family you're connected to on paper, one you should match, you can probably count on having an NPE. I am not so pessimistic about finding, if not the precise individual, the true family origin of someone with an NPE. You may find this page at my site encouraging: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/General/NPE_Resolutions.shtml Identifying the ancestral family of an NPE is not dissimilar to identifying the ancestral family of adoptees. There's a large and very successful adoptee project at FTDNA. You don't hear much about it because most adoptees want this research done in private, so the Adoptee Project doesn't even have a public web site. Given the distribution of Haplogroup R1b (western Europe, especially, the British Isles): http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Graphics/Map-Distribution-of-R1b.shtml it's not surprising you would resemble the Border-Reivers group. Have all of you who are R1b been deep SNP tested? And have you all joined your haplogroup project? Doing both helps yourself and everyone else, too. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Ken & Alice Brown > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 7:51 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Frank > > I have traced my Broun/Brown ancestry on the paper trail to > 1500 in Scotland and could get no further. So I did both a Y > -DNA and mtDNA test. The results were that I got close > matches to a number of Browns. But I also got a lot of close > matches to names like Burns, Hamilton, Ramsey, Maxwell. All > of these names have something in common - they are Scottish > surnames. So with you and me I would suggest, before surnames > became common , our tribe in Scotland lived possibly for > thousands of years. By the time surnames started coming in, > different surnames were adopted but the underlying DNA was > similar or exactly the same in some cases. I would say yes, > you are related to these Ramseys and Maxwells but way back > before surnames started to be used. You haven't a snowballs > chance in hell of matching up with them on the paper trail. > By the way my Y-DNA is R1b1b2. Those of you that have had > your Y-DNA done try this little experiment. In inverted > commas put in Google your first 12 DNA m! > arkers. I did that and I hit a website called Border > Reivers. My DNA was most closely associated with the borders > of Scotland/England where in fact my paper trail had led me. > > Ken Brown > Gold Coast > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you Diana. I will try to digest this. So, you think I should get the 67 marker test? Frank When interpreting the significance of a near or full match, it makes a huge difference what haplogroup you are and how common it is. In that respect DNA haplotypes and haplogroups are rather like surnames. If two strangers introduced at a party are both surnamed, SMITH, they aren't likely to assume they're related and start talking about their genealogy. On the other hand, if those two people are surnamed CARRICO (a very rare surname and one of my five projects), you have good reason to launch immediately into a discussion of your ancestors because it's a near certainty that you both descend from the only known pre-20th-century immigrant, Peter CARRICO, 1674 immigrant to Maryland. So... Consider Haplogroup R1b to be the SMITH of European haplogroups. It is *the* most common haplogroup in western Europe: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Graphics/Map-Distribution-of-R1b.shtml After running six projects for five years, I've come to the conclusion that 37 markers is the *minimum* on which to base an estimate of relatedness in R1b, and I'm not really confident without testing 67 markers, unless the match is in confirmation of good paper trails for both that show the connection. If you're trying to connect two people without a paper connection, then you've *got* to test 67 markers, at least. In contrast, the CARRICO haplotype is as rare as the name. It is so rare, our nearest DNA match gives an estimated TMRCA [Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor] of three to four thousand years. Our nearest match at even 12 markers is only 7/12, and at more markers, it goes downhill from there. We have a value at one marker that no one else ever tested has. So, if you're surnamed, CARRICO, and you have even a near match with the modal haplotype for the family, that's more than enough to support the connection. And it is because the odds of two rare events (rare surname and rare haplotype) happening simultaneously merely by coincidence are infinitesimally small. You didn't mention what haplogroup your BROWNs are, but a 67/67 match in any haplogroup is a slam dunk. Here is FTDNA's description of the meaning of a 67/67 match: http://www.familytreedna.com/genetic-distance-markers.aspx?testtype=67 The remaining question is whether you are all really BROWNs or all really ODOMS. To find that out, you need to keep working on your paper genealogy and start finding and testing cousins, both near and distant. Hope this helps, Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Brown > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 6:02 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > > Have you tried contacting any of the Maxwell's or Ramseys? A > 25/25 match could maybe be as far back as the beginning of > surnames, but a 37 should be a lot closer. Allen has very > few matches, but on Ancestry.com he matches a group of Odoms > 34/34 (they didn't test all the same markers). So far I > haven't been able to get any info from them, but it's very > interesting as the ancestor of one of his 67/67 Brown matches > bought land in 1761 from an > Odom and lived near Odoms. If nothing else the families may > have migrated from the same original area. > > Carolyn Brown > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, FBrown726@aol.com <FBrown726@aol.com> wrote: > > > From: FBrown726@aol.com <FBrown726@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > FamilyTreeDNA is the place where my study was done in the Brown DNA > project. I did a 37 marker test and had several 25/25 and > 37/37 matches. The > higher the markers tested the more Ramsey and Maxwell people > there are. I cannot > locate my information to access the site right now so cannot be more > specific. Perhaps my 2nd. great grandfather was a traveling > man, who knows? His > name was William Brown which is of little help pinning him > down. Might as > well be John Jones. > > Frank Brown > Kansas City > > > My husband, Allen, tested with FamilyTreeDNA.com and has 4 > matches there > (one 25/25, and 3 67/67) I have also uploaded his results to > the Ancestry.com > DNA database, no matches there and no input from other Browns > there. Now > that more labs are starting to do the testing we need a > place to be able to > compare the results. > > FamilyTreeDNA has over 300 Browns in their Brown project. I > haven't been > able to find out how many Ancestry.com has and have no idea > about the other > labs. Results are no good if you can't compare them. > FamilyTreeDNA.com also > has a site called www.YSearch.org where anyone from any lab > can upload > their results and search by matching results or by name. You > don't have to > have tested at their lab and it is free. I would like to see > if we can either > get everyone on the list who has tested to upload their > results to either > that site or Ancestry.com (though I think you have to be a > subscriber there, > I am) or let us know if there is another site that can be viewed for > comparison with their DNA. > > For those who have tested it is then obvious if a line is > yours or not. > What do you all think? > > Carolyn and Allen Ethridge Brown > > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Eleanor Prieskorn > <dalell@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Eleanor Prieskorn <dalell@embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to > Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 10:06 AM > > > Infor@familytree.com for us. > Ellie > > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Carolyn Brown > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:22 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to > Ellie and Frank > > What lab did you test with and how close are the matches? > > Carolyn Brown > > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Carol Brown Parker > <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > > From: Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to > Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 7:22 PM > > > Sorry to hear you are in the same boat too. Well that > thought has crossed > my > > mind too. Another thought is > that our surname was not Brown. My ggrandfather oldest son of > John Ebenzer > Brown told my grandfather > that our surname was really Flanagan and we are from Dublin > Ireland. So I > have also ticked the name Flanagan > as well as Brown plus asked for to have any name that > matches with the DNA > of my brother. > > Carol > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <FBrown726@aol.com> > To: <brown@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus > JohnEbenezerBrown bor... > > > >I did the DNA test and my best matches are with folks with > the names of > > Maxwell and Ramsey. Did the bull jump the fence? > > > > Frank Brown > > Kansas City > > > > > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. > No matches yet > > ....still waiting. > > > > Carol Brown Parker > > > > Me too; and still no matches. > > Ellie > > Warsaw MO. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Carol Brown Parker > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:51 PM > > To: brown@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus > > JohnEbenezer > > Brown born Nov 1822 > > > > Have used it for years. I would not be where I am today > without it > > either. > > An example flew to Toronto > > to visit my brother spent the day at the archives with him > and hardly > got > > a > > thing. Upgraded to a newer > > version of FTM put in the same data could not believe > what my FTM found > > in > > Ancestry for me. So > > many documents that lead to other ancestors. It is well > worth the yearly > > fee > > > > and I have just received > > the FTM 2010 which is great. Very cost effective. > > > > My only brick wall is my gggrandfather John Ebenezer > Brown born Nov 1822 > > also in census showing as John C. Brown > > and John E Brown. The first name is the real one as I found the > decendant > > with his John's family bible and I took pictures of the > pages. It dates > > back > > > > to 1855 and then I made my own bible from the pages. My > ggrandfather > said > > he > > > > was from Dublin > > Ireland and have found no proof of that but census says > NY and sometimes > > Vermont. > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. > No matches yet > > ....still waiting. > > > > Carol Brown Parker > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 -

When interpreting the significance of a near or full match, it makes a huge difference what haplogroup you are and how common it is. In that respect DNA haplotypes and haplogroups are rather like surnames. If two strangers introduced at a party are both surnamed, SMITH, they aren't likely to assume they're related and start talking about their genealogy. On the other hand, if those two people are surnamed CARRICO (a very rare surname and one of my five projects), you have good reason to launch immediately into a discussion of your ancestors because it's a near certainty that you both descend from the only known pre-20th-century immigrant, Peter CARRICO, 1674 immigrant to Maryland. So... Consider Haplogroup R1b to be the SMITH of European haplogroups. It is *the* most common haplogroup in western Europe: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Graphics/Map-Distribution-of-R1b.shtml After running six projects for five years, I've come to the conclusion that 37 markers is the *minimum* on which to base an estimate of relatedness in R1b, and I'm not really confident without testing 67 markers, unless the match is in confirmation of good paper trails for both that show the connection. If you're trying to connect two people without a paper connection, then you've *got* to test 67 markers, at least. In contrast, the CARRICO haplotype is as rare as the name. It is so rare, our nearest DNA match gives an estimated TMRCA [Time to Most Recent Common Ancestor] of three to four thousand years. Our nearest match at even 12 markers is only 7/12, and at more markers, it goes downhill from there. We have a value at one marker that no one else ever tested has. So, if you're surnamed, CARRICO, and you have even a near match with the modal haplotype for the family, that's more than enough to support the connection. And it is because the odds of two rare events (rare surname and rare haplotype) happening simultaneously merely by coincidence are infinitesimally small. You didn't mention what haplogroup your BROWNs are, but a 67/67 match in any haplogroup is a slam dunk. Here is FTDNA's description of the meaning of a 67/67 match: http://www.familytreedna.com/genetic-distance-markers.aspx?testtype=67 The remaining question is whether you are all really BROWNs or all really ODOMS. To find that out, you need to keep working on your paper genealogy and start finding and testing cousins, both near and distant. Hope this helps, Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Carolyn Brown > Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 6:02 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > > Have you tried contacting any of the Maxwell's or Ramseys? A > 25/25 match could maybe be as far back as the beginning of > surnames, but a 37 should be a lot closer.  Allen has very > few matches, but on Ancestry.com he matches a group of Odoms > 34/34 (they didn't test all the same markers). So far I > haven't been able to get any info from them, but it's very > interesting as the ancestor of one of his 67/67 Brown matches > bought land in 1761 from an > Odom and lived near Odoms. If nothing else the families may > have migrated from the same original area. >   > Carolyn Brown > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, FBrown726@aol.com <FBrown726@aol.com> wrote: > > > From: FBrown726@aol.com <FBrown726@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:07 AM > > > FamilyTreeDNA is the place where my study was done in the Brown DNA  > project. I did a 37 marker test and had several 25/25 and > 37/37 matches. The  > higher the markers tested the more Ramsey and Maxwell people > there are. I cannot > locate my information to access the site right now so cannot be more > specific.  Perhaps my 2nd. great grandfather was a traveling > man, who knows? His > name was  William Brown which is of little help pinning him > down. Might as > well  be John Jones. > > Frank Brown > Kansas City > > > My husband, Allen, tested with FamilyTreeDNA.com and has 4 > matches there  > (one 25/25, and 3 67/67) I have also uploaded his results to > the Ancestry.com > DNA database, no matches there and no input from other Browns > there. Now > that  more labs are starting to do the testing we need a > place to be able to > compare  the results. > > FamilyTreeDNA has over 300 Browns in their Brown  project. I > haven't been > able to find out how many Ancestry.com has and have no  idea > about the other > labs. Results are no good if you can't compare them.  > FamilyTreeDNA.com also > has a site called www.YSearch.org where anyone from any  lab > can upload > their results and search by matching results or by name. You  > don't have to > have tested at their lab and it is free. I would like to see > if we  can either > get everyone on the list who has tested to upload their > results to  either > that site or Ancestry.com (though I think you have to be a > subscriber  there, > I am) or let us know if there is another site that can be viewed for  > comparison with their DNA. > > For those who have tested it is then  obvious if a line is > yours or not. > What do you all think? > > Carolyn  and Allen Ethridge Brown > > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Eleanor Prieskorn  > <dalell@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Eleanor Prieskorn  <dalell@embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown  bor... REPLY to > Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday,  December 19, 2009, 10:06 AM > > > Infor@familytree.com for  us. > Ellie > > -----Original Message----- > From:  brown-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of  Carolyn Brown > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:22 PM > To:  brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY  to > Ellie and Frank > > What lab did you test with and how close are the  matches? > > Carolyn Brown > > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Carol Brown  Parker > <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > > From: Carol Brown Parker  <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown  bor... REPLY to > Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday,  December 18, 2009, 7:22 PM > > > Sorry to hear you are in the same boat  too. Well that > thought has crossed > my > > mind too. Another thought  is > that our surname was not Brown. My ggrandfather oldest son of > John Ebenzer  > Brown told my grandfather > that our surname was really Flanagan and we are  from Dublin > Ireland. So I > have also ticked the name Flanagan > as well as  Brown plus asked for to have any name that > matches with the DNA > of my  brother. > > Carol > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From:  <FBrown726@aol.com> > To: <brown@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday,  December 18, 2009 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it  awesome! Plus > JohnEbenezerBrown bor... > > > >I did the DNA test and  my best matches are with folks with > the names of > > Maxwell and Ramsey. Did  the bull jump the fence? > > > > Frank Brown > > Kansas  City > > > > > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it  first came out. > No matches  yet > > ....still waiting. > > > >  Carol Brown Parker > > > > Me too; and still no  matches. > >  Ellie > > Warsaw MO. > > > > -----Original Message----- > >  From:  brown-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com]  On > > Behalf Of  Carol Brown Parker > > Sent: Friday, December 18,  2009 5:51 PM > > To:  brown@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BROWN]  Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome!  Plus > > JohnEbenezer > >  Brown born Nov 1822 > > > > Have used it for years. I would  not be  where I am today > without it > > either. > > An example flew to  Toronto > > to  visit my brother spent the day at the archives with him  > and hardly > got > > a > > thing. Upgraded to a newer > > version of  FTM put in the same data could not  believe > what my FTM found > >  in > > Ancestry for me. So > > many documents that lead  to other  ancestors. It is well > worth the yearly > > fee > > > > and I have  just  received > > the FTM 2010 which is great. Very cost  effective. > > > > My only  brick wall is my gggrandfather John  Ebenezer > Brown born Nov 1822 > > also in  census showing as John C.  Brown > > and John E Brown. The first name is the real  one as I found  the > decendant > > with his John's family bible and I took  pictures of  the > pages. It dates > > back > > > > to 1855 and then I made my own  bible  from the pages. My > ggrandfather > said > > he > > > > was  from Dublin > > Ireland and  have found no proof of that but census  says > NY and sometimes > > Vermont. > > > > I had my brother do the  Brown DNA when it first came out. > No  matches yet > > ....still  waiting. > > > > Carol Brown  Parker > >  ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list,   please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word   'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of  the  message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > >  Checked by AVG -  www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database:  270.14.113/2573 - > Release  Date: > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I used FamilyTreeMaker DNA. I joined at the first before they told you that the 12 step was not the best. Then I did the 25 marker. Have lots of 10 marker with different names but none with the 25 marker. Haplogroup is R1b1b2 Very frustrating and I can not get beyond my gggrandfather born 1822. Not having trouble tracing all my other lines or my husbands just this one. Been searching John for 22 years. Carol Brown Parker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Brown" <cpink@flash.net> To: <brown@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank What lab did you test with and how close are the matches? Carolyn Brown --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: From: Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 7:22 PM Sorry to hear you are in the same boat too. Well that thought has crossed my mind too. Another thought is that our surname was not Brown. My ggrandfather oldest son of John Ebenzer Brown told my grandfather that our surname was really Flanagan and we are from Dublin Ireland. So I have also ticked the name Flanagan as well as Brown plus asked for to have any name that matches with the DNA of my brother. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <FBrown726@aol.com> To: <brown@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... >I did the DNA test and my best matches are with folks with the names of > Maxwell and Ramsey. Did the bull jump the fence? > > Frank Brown > Kansas City > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No matches yet > ....still waiting. > > Carol Brown Parker > > Me too; and still no matches. > Ellie > Warsaw MO. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Carol Brown Parker > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:51 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus > JohnEbenezer > Brown born Nov 1822 > > Have used it for years. I would not be where I am today without it > either. > An example flew to Toronto > to visit my brother spent the day at the archives with him and hardly got > a > thing. Upgraded to a newer > version of FTM put in the same data could not believe what my FTM found > in > Ancestry for me. So > many documents that lead to other ancestors. It is well worth the yearly > fee > > and I have just received > the FTM 2010 which is great. Very cost effective. > > My only brick wall is my gggrandfather John Ebenezer Brown born Nov 1822 > also in census showing as John C. Brown > and John E Brown. The first name is the real one as I found the decendant > with his John's family bible and I took pictures of the pages. It dates > back > > to 1855 and then I made my own bible from the pages. My ggrandfather said > he > > was from Dublin > Ireland and have found no proof of that but census says NY and sometimes > Vermont. > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No matches yet > ....still waiting. > > Carol Brown Parker > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: > 12/18/09 > 01:35:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Allen is a similar case. He has about 12 12/12 or 11/12 matches but only 5 are Browns. Other than the one 11/12 match the other 4 match 25/25 and 67/67. So he apparently is in a tight group. If you upload your markers to a lab where a lot of Browns have tested you will probably have a better chance. How many have tested at your lab?   Carolyn Brown --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: From: Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 8:13 PM I used FamilyTreeMaker DNA. I joined at the first before they told you that the 12 step was not the best. Then I did the 25 marker. Have lots of 10 marker with different names but none with the 25 marker. Haplogroup is R1b1b2  Very frustrating and I can not get beyond my gggrandfather born 1822. Not having trouble tracing all my other lines or my husbands just this one. Been searching John for 22 years. Carol Brown Parker ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Brown" <cpink@flash.net> To: <brown@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank What lab did you test with and how close are the matches? Carolyn Brown --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: From: Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 7:22 PM Sorry to hear you are in the same boat too. Well that thought has crossed my mind too. Another thought is that our surname was not Brown. My ggrandfather oldest son of John Ebenzer Brown told my grandfather that our surname was really Flanagan and we are from Dublin Ireland. So I have also ticked the name Flanagan as well as Brown plus asked for to have any name that matches with the DNA of my brother. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <FBrown726@aol.com> To: <brown@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:06 PM Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... >I did the DNA test and my best matches are with folks with the names of > Maxwell and Ramsey. Did the bull jump the fence? > > Frank Brown > Kansas City > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No matches yet > ....still waiting. > > Carol Brown Parker > > Me too; and still no matches. > Ellie > Warsaw MO. > > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Carol Brown Parker > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:51 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus > JohnEbenezer > Brown born Nov 1822 > > Have used it for years. I would not be where I am today without it > either. > An example flew to Toronto > to visit my brother spent the day at the archives with him and hardly got > a > thing. Upgraded to a newer > version of FTM put in the same data could not believe what my FTM found > in > Ancestry for me. So > many documents that lead to other ancestors. It is well worth the yearly > fee > > and I have just received > the FTM 2010 which is great. Very cost effective. > > My only brick wall is my gggrandfather John Ebenezer Brown born Nov 1822 > also in census showing as John C. Brown > and John E Brown. The first name is the real one as I found the decendant > with his John's family bible and I took pictures of the pages. It dates > back > > to 1855 and then I made my own bible from the pages. My ggrandfather said > he > > was from Dublin > Ireland and have found no proof of that but census says NY and sometimes > Vermont. > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No matches yet > ....still waiting. > > Carol Brown Parker > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: > 12/18/09 > 01:35:00 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carolyn, I have a male cousin who I had tested and we could do that. Tell me how! (highlight the data, copy and then paste into YSearch??) Is this all set up there for us? Thanks, Kathie On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Carolyn Brown <cpink@flash.net> wrote: > My husband, Allen, tested with FamilyTreeDNA.com and has 4 matches there > (one 25/25, and 3 67/67) I have also uploaded his results to the > Ancestry.com DNA database, no matches there and no input from other Browns > there. Now that more labs are starting to do the testing we need a place to > be able to compare the results. > > FamilyTreeDNA has over 300 Browns in their Brown project. I haven't been > able to find out how many Ancestry.com has and have no idea about the other > labs. Results are no good if you can't compare them. FamilyTreeDNA.com also > has a site called www.YSearch.org where anyone from any lab can upload > their results and search by matching results or by name. You don't have to > have tested at their lab and it is free. I would like to see if we can > either get everyone on the list who has tested to upload their results to > either that site or Ancestry.com (though I think you have to be a subscriber > there, I am) or let us know if there is another site that can be viewed for > comparison with their DNA. > > For those who have tested it is then obvious if a line is yours or not. > What do you all think? > > Carolyn and Allen Ethridge Brown > > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Eleanor Prieskorn <dalell@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Eleanor Prieskorn <dalell@embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 10:06 AM > > > Infor@familytree.com for us. > Ellie > > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Carolyn Brown > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:22 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank > > What lab did you test with and how close are the matches? > > Carolyn Brown > > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > > From: Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 7:22 PM > > > Sorry to hear you are in the same boat too. Well that thought has crossed > my > > mind too. Another thought is > that our surname was not Brown. My ggrandfather oldest son of John Ebenzer > Brown told my grandfather > that our surname was really Flanagan and we are from Dublin Ireland. So I > have also ticked the name Flanagan > as well as Brown plus asked for to have any name that matches with the DNA > of my brother. > > Carol > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <FBrown726@aol.com> > To: <brown@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus > JohnEbenezerBrown bor... > > > >I did the DNA test and my best matches are with folks with the names of > > Maxwell and Ramsey. Did the bull jump the fence? > > > > Frank Brown > > Kansas City > > > > > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No matches yet > > ....still waiting. > > > > Carol Brown Parker > > > > Me too; and still no matches. > > Ellie > > Warsaw MO. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Carol Brown Parker > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:51 PM > > To: brown@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus > > JohnEbenezer > > Brown born Nov 1822 > > > > Have used it for years. I would not be where I am today without it > > either. > > An example flew to Toronto > > to visit my brother spent the day at the archives with him and hardly > got > > a > > thing. Upgraded to a newer > > version of FTM put in the same data could not believe what my FTM found > > in > > Ancestry for me. So > > many documents that lead to other ancestors. It is well worth the yearly > > fee > > > > and I have just received > > the FTM 2010 which is great. Very cost effective. > > > > My only brick wall is my gggrandfather John Ebenezer Brown born Nov 1822 > > also in census showing as John C. Brown > > and John E Brown. The first name is the real one as I found the > decendant > > with his John's family bible and I took pictures of the pages. It dates > > back > > > > to 1855 and then I made my own bible from the pages. My ggrandfather > said > > he > > > > was from Dublin > > Ireland and have found no proof of that but census says NY and sometimes > > Vermont. > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No matches yet > > ....still waiting. > > > > Carol Brown Parker > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release Date: > > 12/18/09 > > 01:35:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 > 02:33:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- M. Kathleen Felsted mkfelsted@gmail.com

I'm afraid it's a bit more tedious than copy/paste. First go to www.Ysearch.org and click on the "Create A New User" tab at the top. That gets you to the page which includes instructions. Because all labs don't test all the same markers you can't just copy and paste. You will find a section below the instructions with a blank for the value of each of your markers. There are converson charts for some labs who vary just a bit in counting certain markers. That part is a bit labor intensive if you have tested a large number of markers.   There is a section at the bottom of that page for earliest known ancestor and some location data as well as a place for a contact e-mail and name and some comments. I do not believe there is a section for a full pedigree in Ysearch. FamilyTreeDNA.com members have a section on their personal pages where they can upload ged.coms. But I don't think there is one here.   Carolyn Brown --- On Sat, 12/19/09, M. Kathleen Felsted <mkfelsted@gmail.com> wrote: From: M. Kathleen Felsted <mkfelsted@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [BROWN] All DNA testees To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 10:05 PM Hi Carolyn, I have a male cousin who I had tested and we could do that. Tell me how!  (highlight the data, copy and then paste into YSearch??) Is this all set up there for us? Thanks, Kathie On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:30 AM, Carolyn Brown <cpink@flash.net> wrote: > My husband, Allen, tested with FamilyTreeDNA.com and has 4 matches there > (one 25/25, and 3 67/67) I have also uploaded his results to the > Ancestry.com DNA database, no matches there and no input from other Browns > there. Now that more labs are starting to do the testing we need a place to > be able to compare the results. > > FamilyTreeDNA has over 300 Browns in their Brown project. I haven't been > able to find out how many Ancestry.com has and have no idea about the other > labs. Results are no good if you can't compare them. FamilyTreeDNA.com also > has a site called www.YSearch.org where anyone from any lab can upload > their results and search by matching results or by name. You don't have to > have tested at their lab and it is free. I would like to see if we can > either get everyone on the list who has tested to upload their results to > either that site or Ancestry.com (though I think you have to be a subscriber > there, I am) or let us know if there is another site that can be viewed for > comparison with their DNA. > > For those who have tested it is then obvious if a line is yours or not. > What do you all think? > > Carolyn and Allen Ethridge Brown > > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, Eleanor Prieskorn <dalell@embarqmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Eleanor Prieskorn <dalell@embarqmail.com> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 10:06 AM > > > Infor@familytree.com for us. > Ellie > > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Carolyn Brown > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 10:22 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank > > What lab did you test with and how close are the matches? > > Carolyn Brown > > --- On Fri, 12/18/09, Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> wrote: > > > From: Carol Brown Parker <parkerar@nbnet.nb.ca> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Plus JohnEbenezerBrown bor... REPLY to Ellie and Frank > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 7:22 PM > > > Sorry to hear you are in the same boat too. Well that thought has crossed > my > > mind too. Another thought is > that our surname was not Brown. My ggrandfather oldest son of John Ebenzer > Brown told my grandfather > that our surname was really Flanagan and we are from Dublin Ireland. So I > have also ticked the name Flanagan > as well as Brown plus asked for to have any name that matches with the DNA > of my brother. > > Carol > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <FBrown726@aol.com> > To: <brown@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 9:06 PM > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome! Plus > JohnEbenezerBrown bor... > > > >I did the DNA test and my best matches are with folks with the names of > > Maxwell and Ramsey. Did the bull jump the fence? > > > > Frank Brown > > Kansas City > > > > > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No matches  yet > > ....still waiting. > > > > Carol Brown Parker > > > > Me too; and still no  matches. > > Ellie > > Warsaw MO. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From:  brown-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:brown-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of  Carol Brown Parker > > Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:51 PM > > To:  brown@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Ancestry.com I use it and it awesome!  Plus > > JohnEbenezer > > Brown born Nov 1822 > > > > Have used it for years. I would  not be where I am today without it > > either. > > An example flew to Toronto > > to  visit my brother spent the day at the archives with him and hardly > got > > a > > thing. Upgraded to a newer > > version of FTM put in the same data could not  believe what my FTM found > > in > > Ancestry for me. So > > many documents that lead  to other ancestors. It is well worth the yearly > > fee > > > > and I have just  received > > the FTM 2010 which is great. Very cost effective. > > > > My only  brick wall is my gggrandfather John Ebenezer Brown born Nov 1822 > > also in  census showing as John C. Brown > > and John E Brown. The first name is the real  one as I found the > decendant > > with his John's family bible and I took  pictures of the pages. It dates > > back > > > > to 1855 and then I made my own bible  from the pages. My ggrandfather > said > > he > > > > was from Dublin > > Ireland and  have found no proof of that but census says NY and sometimes > > Vermont. > > > > I had my brother do the Brown DNA when it first came out. No  matches yet > > ....still waiting. > > > > Carol Brown  Parker > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list,  please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word  'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the  message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG -  www.avg.com > > Version: 9.0.716 / Virus Database: 270.14.113/2573 - Release  Date: > > 12/18/09 > > 01:35:00 > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To  unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > > in the subject and > > the body of  the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.717 / Virus Database: 270.14.114/2575 - Release Date: 12/19/09 > 02:33:00 > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- M. 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Thank you, Ken. I looked at my data and I am R1b1b with no 2 at the end like yours. I don't know what that means. I have not educated myself on the DNA work like I probably should. What you say about the Maxwell and Ramsey names being from Scotland seem to make sense. With 37/37 markers I have 1 Maxwell and 1 Ramsey. With 36/37 I have 1 Maxwell. With 35/37 I have 1 Maxwell. With 34/37 I have 2 Maxwell and 1 White. With 34/37 I have 4 Maxwell. Nary a Brown. I do not understand what you mean about the Google search. Frank Brown Kansas City Frank I have traced my Broun/Brown ancestry on the paper trail to 1500 in Scotland and could get no further. So I did both a Y -DNA and mtDNA test. The results were that I got close matches to a number of Browns. But I also got a lot of close matches to names like Burns, Hamilton, Ramsey, Maxwell. All of these names have something in common - they are Scottish surnames. So with you and me I would suggest, before surnames became common , our tribe in Scotland lived possibly for thousands of years. By the time surnames started coming in, different surnames were adopted but the underlying DNA was similar or exactly the same in some cases. I would say yes, you are related to these Ramseys and Maxwells but way back before surnames started to be used. You haven't a snowballs chance in hell of matching up with them on the paper trail. By the way my Y-DNA is R1b1b2. Those of you that have had your Y-DNA done try this little experiment. In inverted commas put in Google your first 12 DNA m! arkers. I did that and I hit a website called Border Reivers. My DNA was most closely associated with the borders of Scotland/England where in fact my paper trail had led me. Ken Brown Gold Coast Australia

MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL I continue to search for information on perhaps a WILLIAM BROWN who was born probably in the 1770's or 80's in SC and may have lived in Spartenburg or Lauren Cos SC. He was in GA, maybe Cherokee Co by 1812 and was probably there in 1820 and 1821. His wife is said to be born in VA. He had some children (not all proven) He may have been back and forth between SC, GA and maybe TN. It is possible he died about 1846-1848. Elizabeth J. BROWN b. 5 May 1810 Spartenburg Co SC- d. 31 Jan 1887 Sherill, Texas Co MO; m. Samuel F. GIDDENS 3 July 1827 Knox Co TN (this one we are not sure of) but her children contained many names in our family: William Green GIDDENS, Eliza Ann, Mary Caroline, Hetty Orlena, Elizabeth Jane, Delilah Adeline, Abigail Louisa, Nancy Parthena, Archibald Randolph, Samuel Bradford, John Baptist, Willia Vincent, Sarah Azlilene, Martha Mahala Altetine, These GIDDENS lived in Monroe, Grainger, Bradley, Roane counties in TN, Gallatin Co, IL and Walker Co GA besides Mo and TX. They married some into CLARKS Malinda BROWN b. ab 1815 married in Spartenburg SC David WHITE, may have lived in Lauren Co SC moved to TN by 1860. Named her WHITE children: James Samuel, William H., John, Archibald, Nancy, Zacchary Taylor, Durham, Permelia Caroline, Thomas. Archibald BROWN b. GA in 1812 migrated to TN by 1840 or before; m. Sarah DOUGHERTY ab. 1830 named sons: James Anderson, Levi, Samuel and John Calvin. Dau. Mirerva Jane. William Wesly b. GA 1820; m. about 1842 to Caroline (unknown) prob in GA, migrated to TN by 1848 in 1850 a carptenter named A.G. NORMANN lived in the home if related or not unknown. named sons, Elias or Silas, John. daus: Hetta, Abigal, Susan, Hetta b. GA 1821; married John HICKS place unknown in TN by 1840 or before. named children: James, Wesley, Abigail, Sarah and Vina all born TN. Happy to receive any clues. Pat Hoffman