Good Morning .. I read your post (see below) referencing Edward Brown and as I, too, am researching an Edward Brown I wonder what years your Edward lived, mine was in the early 1800s, died in 1886/88. greg > >Message: 5 >Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 21:01:04 -0600 >From: Ladonna Viertel <middlebiscuits@sbcglobal.net> >Subject: [BROWN] Attn: Jim Brown, Jr >To: brown@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <4B303670.5020900@sbcglobal.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > >Jim, do you have any info on the children of your Edward Brown and wife >Lucy? He is someone I have researched in order to find the parents of >my William LeGrand Brown. Thank you, Ladonna Viertel > > >------------------------------ > > >

Ladonna Viertel wrote: Jim, do you have any info on the children of your Edward Brown and wife Lucy? He is someone I have researched in order to find the parents of my William LeGrand Brown. Thank you, Ladonna Viertel Hello Ladonna, Could you please tell me more about Edward and Lucy Brown. Where were they from? Dates? If those points are plausible, I'll post my lines to see if there is a connection. Thanks Much, Mary (Brown) Flowers Midlothian, TX ____________________________________________________________ Weight Loss Program Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=0hAZRLozepCHpn_-7DfWNAAAJ1DTPrFxSyFpLcllCAQl7WAlAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEUgAAAAA=

If subject lines were like this: Alanson Brown, b. 1814, Genoa, NY this would help people reading posts and also searching for information. On Dec 22, 2009, at 3:01 AM, brown-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I have an Alanson Brown, b. 1814 in Genoa, Cuyuga Co, son of > Benjamin and > Abigail Boughton Brown of Greenwich, Fairfield Co. CT. Could > Benjamin > and Joseph be brothers? Possibly. I don't have any siblings for > Benjamin > so don't know. Ben was the son of Sherman aand Rachel Lockwood > Brown also > of Greenwich.Ct.

This Jim Brown has no such Browns; sorry

Jim, do you have any info on the children of your Edward Brown and wife Lucy? He is someone I have researched in order to find the parents of my William LeGrand Brown. Thank you, Ladonna Viertel

Hi - Does Rachel Lockwood connect any place to Joseph Lockwood of Norwalk? father of Sarah Lockwood wife of Isaac Brown born 1690 son of James ? As I've shared before my Melvin Brown is the son of Josiah who according to the Brown Bible of Middleburgh, NY is the son of Dr. Brown and Sarah Lockwood. Melvin's daughter Mary Brown McDowell - had 2 sons - Charles and Abraham IN the 1860 Census there is a Charles McDowell abt 1843 ae 17 living in Ledyard/Sherwood with Eli A. Lockwood 39 Erdine Lockwood 36 Norman Lockwood 25 Josephine Lockwood 11 Lillian Lockwood 7 Charles McDowell 17 while in the same census 1860 Ledyard, Cayuga Jerome Paulska 35 Mary Paluska 37 MIlada Paluska 10 Eliza A. Paluska 8 Francis Paluska 6 Charles D. McDowell 16 Abraham McDowell 14 I suspect that Charles may have been counted twice and I wonder if there is any relationship between Eli Lockwood and Charles McDowells GG Grandmother Sarah Lockwood. Any info on this ? Thanks - Mark Brown On Dec 21, 2009, at 1:43 PM, sonavan@aol.com wrote: > I have an Alanson Brown, b. 1814 in Genoa, Cuyuga Co, son of > Benjamin and > Abigail Boughton Brown of Greenwich, Fairfield Co. CT. Could > Benjamin > and Joseph be brothers? Possibly. I don't have any siblings for > Benjamin > so don't know. Ben was the son of Sherman aand Rachel Lockwood > Brown also > of Greenwich.Ct. > > > In a message dated 12/19/2009 9:10:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > knodish1@mac.com writes: > > I see a Joseph Brown in the 1810 Census Town of Scipio. Is that your > Joseph? He is living near Daniel - I suspect that this Daniel is the > one related to Alanson. There is some information written about > them. > Living so close to them he could be related. > > You also might want to explore FultonHistory.com which has a wide > selection of early newspapers from that area. Mark > > > On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:15 AM, kenneth brown wrote: > >> I have been looking for elijah barton brown for some time. he was >> born in 1823 in cayuga county N.Y. His parents were joseph and >> clarrissa brown. his family came to Mi. some time between 1823 & >> 1840. recors show that he was married in 1848 to lucinda overacker >> in wayne county Mi. they lived in ionia county in 1850 per census >> records. the census shows a john a brown a few lines away i don't >> know if this a relation or not is there someone out there that knows >> about these familys? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we > want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" > My Dog Skip > > > > R. Mark Brown > knodish1@mac.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com

I have an Alanson Brown, b. 1814 in Genoa, Cuyuga Co, son of Benjamin and Abigail Boughton Brown of Greenwich, Fairfield Co. CT. Could Benjamin and Joseph be brothers? Possibly. I don't have any siblings for Benjamin so don't know. Ben was the son of Sherman aand Rachel Lockwood Brown also of Greenwich.Ct. In a message dated 12/19/2009 9:10:23 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, knodish1@mac.com writes: I see a Joseph Brown in the 1810 Census Town of Scipio. Is that your Joseph? He is living near Daniel - I suspect that this Daniel is the one related to Alanson. There is some information written about them. Living so close to them he could be related. You also might want to explore FultonHistory.com which has a wide selection of early newspapers from that area. Mark On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:15 AM, kenneth brown wrote: > I have been looking for elijah barton brown for some time. he was > born in 1823 in cayuga county N.Y. His parents were joseph and > clarrissa brown. his family came to Mi. some time between 1823 & > 1840. recors show that he was married in 1848 to lucinda overacker > in wayne county Mi. they lived in ionia county in 1850 per census > records. the census shows a john a brown a few lines away i don't > know if this a relation or not is there someone out there that knows > about these familys? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Vintage Christmas Postcards.... maybe your ancestors sent or received one like these.... http://www.twogatos.com/vintage/christmas >early 1900s cards

Glad I could help. By the way, I'm assuming y'all know there is a "brown-dna-study" mailing list directly associated with the BROWN DNA project. It's not a RootWeb list, but one owned by the project. You can subscribe from this page: http://mail.brownsociety.org/mailman/listinfo/brown-dna-study_brownsociety.org Good luck with getting your matchees to cooperate! Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of fbrown726@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:57 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Thank you Diana. I have e-mailed the Brown 25/25 marker and > asked him if he > would upgrade to 37 if I would pay for it. No response as of > yet. I wrote > to all the Maxwells as well as the single Ramsey and single > White telling > them what I had and what you thought. I have only received a > reply from one > Maxwell who told me her father had donated the DNA and he > had died at 93 > years of age. Good longevity genes there! I believe I will > take your advise > and pay for an upgrade from 37 to 67 for myself and see what > happens. I will > mention to all who write back that they might want to > upgrade as well. > Those mentioned above are all 37 markers. > > Thhanks again for your advise and patience with me. I am > learning quite a > bit from you. Frank >

Thank you Diana. I have e-mailed the Brown 25/25 marker and asked him if he would upgrade to 37 if I would pay for it. No response as of yet. I wrote to all the Maxwells as well as the single Ramsey and single White telling them what I had and what you thought. I have only received a reply from one Maxwell who told me her father had donated the DNA and he had died at 93 years of age. Good longevity genes there! I believe I will take your advise and pay for an upgrade from 37 to 67 for myself and see what happens. I will mention to all who write back that they might want to upgrade as well. Those mentioned above are all 37 markers. Thhanks again for your advise and patience with me. I am learning quite a bit from you. Frank Well, I'd have all of you max out your testing! ;-) Seriously, if you have some matchees still at 25 markers, then, yes, the first priority would be to bring everyone up to 37 markers. Then for those still matching at a high level, you *all* need to upgrade to 67 markers, or more. Recall in the examples that the GIBSONs had their private mutation in the first 12 markers, but the CORBIN with the NPE has his first private marker match with the SHERMAN in markers 38-67. You don't know, until you test, where that "golden" private marker will appear. If you don't have the NPE, then the MAXWELLs and the ODOMs do, or all three of you could have NPEs and you're all three really something else. Even if you don't have the NPE and they are really BROWNs, you need to them a favor by upgrading along with them. The gist of it is that this is at least two and possibly three NPEs in Haplogroup R1b. You are going to need 67 -- or more -- markers to resolve it. There are more markers than 67: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/General/FTDNA-Markers-maxout.shtml For people with solid paper pedigrees connecting them, who are in haplogroups less common than R1b, a 37-marker test will likely suffice to confirm that the paper genealogy is correct. But when the DNA tells you your paper pedigree is wrong, because of an NPE, you're going to need all the markers you can get. The more markers you test, the more precise you can be in making connections. In other words, the closer the common ancestor you can identify and the more confident you can be in that connection. You don't *have* to do any of this, but the more you test, the more you will accomplish. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of fbrown726@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:09 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Again, thank you Diana! Your knowledge of DNA and how that > helps us with our genealogy is much appreciated. I have been > advised to not worry as much about getting the 67 marker test > for myself but rather to get a 37 test for a 25/25 Brown cousin > who is documented by paperwork. You seem to suggest getting > the 67 marker test above anything else. Or am I missing > something? I do tend to suspect that I may have what you call a > NPE. What should I do? Get the 37 for the cousin if he agrees, > get the 67 for myself or get both? > > Frank > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, I'd have all of you max out your testing! ;-) Seriously, if you have some matchees still at 25 markers, then, yes, the first priority would be to bring everyone up to 37 markers. Then for those still matching at a high level, you *all* need to upgrade to 67 markers, or more. Recall in the examples that the GIBSONs had their private mutation in the first 12 markers, but the CORBIN with the NPE has his first private marker match with the SHERMAN in markers 38-67. You don't know, until you test, where that "golden" private marker will appear. If you don't have the NPE, then the MAXWELLs and the ODOMs do, or all three of you could have NPEs and you're all three really something else. Even if you don't have the NPE and they are really BROWNs, you need to them a favor by upgrading along with them. The gist of it is that this is at least two and possibly three NPEs in Haplogroup R1b. You are going to need 67 -- or more -- markers to resolve it. There are more markers than 67: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/General/FTDNA-Markers-maxout.shtml For people with solid paper pedigrees connecting them, who are in haplogroups less common than R1b, a 37-marker test will likely suffice to confirm that the paper genealogy is correct. But when the DNA tells you your paper pedigree is wrong, because of an NPE, you're going to need all the markers you can get. The more markers you test, the more precise you can be in making connections. In other words, the closer the common ancestor you can identify and the more confident you can be in that connection. You don't *have* to do any of this, but the more you test, the more you will accomplish. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of fbrown726@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 2:09 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Again, thank you Diana! Your knowledge of DNA and how that > helps us with our genealogy is much appreciated. I have been > advised to not worry as much about getting the 67 marker test > for myself but rather to get a 37 test for a 25/25 Brown cousin > who is documented by paperwork. You seem to suggest getting > the 67 marker test above anything else. Or am I missing > something? I do tend to suspect that I may have what you call a > NPE. What should I do? Get the 37 for the cousin if he agrees, > get the 67 for myself or get both? > > Frank >

Hello Jane, I'm not certain I understand your question, but if you mean, do you have to have a long, known paper pedigree? No, not at all. Some people in my projects are adopted and don't even know the identity of their biological parents. They're getting tested in the hope of finding out. However, the person being tested for the BROWN Y-DNA Surname Project must be a male surnamed BROWN. Females have no Y-chromosome, so that cannot be tested for a surname project. And the only male line you can test is the patrilineal (direct male) line of a man. If there are any females in the line, the chain is broken. It sounds like you've "daughtered out" of both your BROWN lines, so you'll have to seek cousins to test, cousins who are male BROWNS. And yes, everyone has just one patrilineal line and one matrilineal line. For all the rest of your lines, you will have to depend on cousins to test them. This chart may help: http://danishdemes.org/FAQs.shtml#direct It's aimed at the members of my Danish regional project, but the concept's the same for all projects. Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of Judith MacKinnion > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:10 PM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BROWN] DNA > > Thanks for all the conversations on DNA testing. It really > is helpful to begin to understand some of it. > > For DNA testing do you need a line to be now and going back? > > I do not have a long line of Browns one line starting with > Abraham Brown abt 1600 of Watertown MA my 10th great > grandfather on Father's side only 3 generations > > The other line is Anjus Brown late 1500's my 10th great > grandfather on Mother's side only 5 generations > > With both lines only a few generations than a daughter > married and off to another branch on the tree how does this effect testing? > > Judith > >

I think there is a chance that you might find some information on that at the Auburn office - or else at the Moravia Historical library - not sure the name of that one. They have some of the original old records of the Friends church - I have read some of them. Mark On Dec 20, 2009, at 5:04 PM, kenneth brown wrote: > I believe this the Joseph that I am looking.from what I understand > Scipio was aplace that was set aside for cveterans. there was > another town that he showed up on but can't remember the name.of it > the question is did he have a wife at this time and did he migrate > to Mi. at a later time. > > --- On Sat, 12/19/09, R. Mark Brown <knodish1@mac.com> wrote: > > > From: R. Mark Brown <knodish1@mac.com> > Subject: Re: [BROWN] browns > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:09 PM > > > I see a Joseph Brown in the 1810 Census Town of Scipio. Is that your > Joseph? He is living near Daniel - I suspect that this Daniel is the > one related to Alanson. There is some information written about them. > Living so close to them he could be related. > > You also might want to explore FultonHistory.com which has a wide > selection of early newspapers from that area. Mark > > > On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:15 AM, kenneth brown wrote: > >> I have been looking for elijah barton brown for some time. he was >> born in 1823 in cayuga county N.Y. His parents were joseph and >> clarrissa brown. his family came to Mi. some time between 1823 & >> 1840. recors show that he was married in 1848 to lucinda overacker >> in wayne county Mi. they lived in ionia county in 1850 per census >> records. the census shows a john a brown a few lines away i don't >> know if this a relation or not is there someone out there that knows >> about these familys? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we > want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" > My Dog Skip > > > > R. Mark Brown > knodish1@mac.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?" My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com

Obion County, TN was formed from Western District in 1823. So when they moved there the county wasn't formed yet. Don't know if this will help either of you in rounding up your BROWNS but I found in an old copy of Ansearchin News put out in 1975 by The Tennessee Genealogical Society: Abstracts of Kentucky Biographies., submitted by Grace Hall Upshaw, from a reprint of a 1885 Kentucky History. These abstracts contained some connection to the state of TN. Titled Fulton County, Kentucky (Obion Co TN boarders Fulton Co KY.) HERRING, James A. b. 323 1844 Fulton Co KY; to Obion Co TN 1874; parents Marcus L. Herring b. 1810, Rutherford Co TN- "still living" and mother Margaret A. Brown of Fulton Co KY. CH: Fannie, Abraham, Admiral B., Maria L. (Crawford), subject, Wm. T.., Winfield S., Marcus L., Sarah D., Lycurgus, Claudius, Robert A. Grandparents: Abraham Herring of NC Archibald Brown of Fulton Co KY James A. married 2-7-1867 Nancy E., dau. of Wm. and Sarah (Mayes) Bondurant of Fulton Co KY Ch: William L., Edward W; Una L. From: Tennessee Tidbits 1778-1914 VolI By Fischer and Burns BROWN, David (Daniel) Died before 13 November 1834 as shown in the suit of William N. Watson, administrator of David Brown, deceased vs Merriweather, Anderson and Brown. Margaret Brown was a defendant (Obion TN, Cir Ct Min, 2/210 Maybe this will offer some clues. Pat Hoffman In a message dated 12/20/2009 2:09:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, SONAVAN@aol.com writes: I am always curious about the Browns who moved to Obion county, TN as my 3rd g-grandfather, Samuel Right Brown had a sibling/siblings who moved there in the late 1790s from Saratoga county, (then Albany Co.) NY. but have no idea who they may be been. In a message dated 12/17/2009 3:45:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dianelovejoy@comcast.net writes: I am looking for information on my great grandmother's twin > brother. The information I do have is the following: James > W. Brown, born 8 Mar 1879 in Obion County, Tennessee to Hiram > Reeves Brown and Cisely Jane Baker. I've seen Cisely spelled > a few different ways and I usually find Hiram listed as H R > Brown. He may have moved to Arkansas or Missouri. > > Merry Christmas See full size image Happy New Year ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Again, thank you Diana! Your knowledge of DNA and how that helps us with our genealogy is much appreciated. I have been advised to not worry as much about getting the 67 marker test for myself but rather to get a 37 test for a 25/25 Brown cousin who is documented by paperwork. You seem to suggest getting the 67 marker test above anything else. Or am I missing something? I do tend to suspect that I may have what you call a NPE. What should I do? Get the 37 for the cousin if he agrees, get the 67 for myself or get both? Frank It's a question of precision, and a hope that we may be able to uncover a "private" mutation that could connect you to a specific line. I talk about private mutations on this page: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/General/SignatureMarkers.shtml I direct your attention to John (#G-6) and Gideon (#GX-1) in the "Gibson Lineage III-A" group. While everyone in the table is related, the GIBSONs in genealogical time and the JUSTICEs possibly before surname adoption, only these two individuals have a mutation from 13 to 14 at DYS392 (dark purple table cells). Because no one else in the table has these values, this must be a recent mutation, shared by a common ancestor nearer to them than the ancestor of all of them. A check of the paper pedigrees of these two individuals suggests John (#G-6) is probably the great-grandfather of Gideon (GX-1). I recommend studying this page because I believe the ideas here are key to making the best use of your test data. There's another example from my CORBIN project, where we have a CORBIN who is genetically a SHERMAN: http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Corbin/CorbinDNA-results-HgR1b.shtml#Sherman This CORBIN shares a private mutation at DYS446 (bright green table cells) with a SHERMAN tested at SMGF, but with none of the other SHERMANs, meaning they have a near common ancestor. What's driving me up the walls is, as you may know, there is no way to contact someone tested at SMGF. The CORBIN would like to pay him to join FTDNA and fill out all 67 markers, but we've no way to reach him. But sooner or later, more SHERMANs will be tested, and another one with that mutation will turn up. We just have to be patient. If doing genealogy takes patience, and we all know it does, doing DNA for genealogy takes even more patience. So, one reason you test as many markers as possible is to find those shared, private mutations that connect you to a near common ancestor -- your branch on the family tree. These branches are especially important for someone with an NPE, where there's no paper connection. As for deep SNP testing, well, no, it's not necessary. If cost is an issue, I say test more markers and put off the deep SNP testing. It can be helpful in ruling out a coincidental near match of haplotypes, but those are very rare. It's definitely helpful to the research effort as a whole, and it will increase your understanding of your "deep" roots, but it's not going to help you with your genealogy. I have to admit to having an insatiable curiosity, so I'm a DNA testing company's dream. I'll take every test available! ;-) Diana > -----Original Message----- > From: brown-bounces@rootsweb.com On Behalf Of FBrown726@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 12:45 AM > To: brown@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BROWN] Did the bull jump the fence? > > Thank you Diana. I am such a novice at this and I have a couple of > questions. Of how much value is an upgrade from a 37 to 67 > marker test? How much value is knowing the haplotree that you > talk about here? FTDNA predicts my deep haplogroup as R1b1b. > They will do a "Deep Clade-R test" for $89. Is this necessary? > > I have put my data in the Ysearch site but need to figure out > how to search for results. Frank > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am always curious about the Browns who moved to Obion county, TN as my 3rd g-grandfather, Samuel Right Brown had a sibling/siblings who moved there in the late 1790s from Saratoga county, (then Albany Co.) NY. but have no idea who they may be been. In a message dated 12/17/2009 3:45:41 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, dianelovejoy@comcast.net writes: I am looking for information on my great grandmother's twin > brother. The information I do have is the following: James > W. Brown, born 8 Mar 1879 in Obion County, Tennessee to Hiram > Reeves Brown and Cisely Jane Baker. I've seen Cisely spelled > a few different ways and I usually find Hiram listed as H R > Brown. He may have moved to Arkansas or Missouri. > > Merry Christmas See full size image Happy New Year ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I believe this the Joseph that I am looking.from what I understand Scipio was aplace that was set aside for cveterans. there was another town that he showed up on but can't remember the name.of it the question is did he have a wife at this time and did he migrate to Mi. at a later time. --- On Sat, 12/19/09, R. Mark Brown <knodish1@mac.com> wrote: From: R. Mark Brown <knodish1@mac.com> Subject: Re: [BROWN] browns To: brown@rootsweb.com Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 11:09 PM I see a Joseph Brown in the 1810 Census Town of Scipio.  Is that your  Joseph? He is living near Daniel - I suspect that this Daniel is the  one related to Alanson.  There is some information written about them.  Living so close to them he could be related. You also might want to explore FultonHistory.com which has a wide  selection of early newspapers from that area. Mark On Dec 19, 2009, at 7:15 AM, kenneth brown wrote: > I have been looking for elijah barton brown for some time. he was  > born in 1823 in cayuga county N.Y. His parents were joseph and  > clarrissa brown. his family came to Mi. some time between 1823 &  > 1840. recors show that he was married in 1848 to lucinda overacker  > in wayne county Mi. they lived in ionia county in 1850 per census  > records. the census shows a john a brown a few lines away i don't  > know if this a relation or not is there someone out there that knows  > about these familys? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com >  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and  > the body of the message "Why in childhood and youth do we wish time to pass so quickly - we  want to grow up so fast - yet as adults we wish just the opposite?"    My Dog Skip R. Mark Brown knodish1@mac.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BROWN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi,  I am looking for info on my Great Great Grandparents & their Ancestors. Their names are: Patrick Alpheus Brown b. Abt. 1816 New York d. 21 Jan 1898 Elmendaro, Lyon County, Kansas He married 1st: Perlina Wescott daughter of Oliver and Anne (Brown) Wescott she was b. Abt. 1814 New York and d. 18 Aug 1868 Waukegan, Lake County, Illinois He married 2nd Margaret Unknown b. Abt. 1845 Missouri d. Bef. 01 Mar 1895 Lyon County, Kansas.   I have yet to find out who Patricks parents are and am curious as to wether or not Perlina and he were cousins due to the fact that her mother was also a Brown. I know the Wescotts were from Rhode Island, Vermont, and New York.   If anyone can help me find any leads I would be greatful.                                                               Thankyou,                                                                  Melanie

Thanks for all the conversations on DNA testing. It really is helpful to begin to understand some of it. For DNA testing do you need a line to be now and going back? I do not have a long line of Browns one line starting with Abraham Brown abt 1600 of Watertown MA my 10th great grandfather on Father's side only 3 generations The other line is Anjus Brown late 1500's my 10th great grandfather on Mother's side only 5 generations With both lines only a few generations than a daughter married and off to another branch on the tree how does this effect testing? Judith