Money could be usefully spent to laminate the old documents in plastic to protect them from handling and copying abuse. I doubt that officials would spend taxpayer funds for this purpose, so maybe donations from the users and general public would be appropriate. GWP At 10:38 AM 2/2/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Thank you Liz. I have been overwhelmed with messages about this situatio= >n. = > >The responses leave no doubt that we all want the old records >protected, but at the same time need copies. = > >It is my honest opinion that counties should be required to use some of >our tax money to provide an alternate method of obtaining copies when the >records are too fragile to put on a copy machine. > >In summation, it is my opinion that we as researchers must immediately >begin to educate our county officials to this problem and demand they >use some of our tax monies to correct and prevent this type of situation.= > >Thanks for you response. > >Eugenia > > > > > >"liz" <liz@ultravision.net> wrote: >Hi Eugenia, > > In this part of the country, allowing you to take old marriage record= >s >is a common practice. They don't want to house the original as all they n= >eed >is the recording in their books. Some courthouses mail the original back = >to >the couple if it is not picked up after it is registered. Others just >shelved them waiting for someone to call for it. Our license was mailed b= >ack >to us in 1941. > In researching my husband's family in Smith County, Texas, I found th= >e >recorded marriage record of his great grandparents. I was happy with that= > >until I met a 2nd cousin, never know to my husband, who had the original.= > >She had been researching her ancestor, the sister to his great grandmothe= >r, >and the clerk had told her to take what she wanted as they were going to >dispose of them. The 2nd cousin gave me a copy but never did give up the >original. Now she is deceased and who knows what happened to her research= >=2E > >Good hunting, > >Liz Pierce >Gun Barrel City, Texas > >----- Original Message --- > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= >1 > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > >==== BROWN Mailing List ==== >contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Eugenia is right. She said we have some rights in this matter... Really though, we have ALL the rights in ALL the matters of elected officials. We should not be treated like "customers" in a store. These are our records, PUBLIC RECORDS. And if they make them available to public for "viewing only", then they should have a sign out front saying that! And if that happens, then someone is getting paid too much to just sit at a desk all day in a records room... A well phrased comment to the local newspaper's LETTER TO THE EDITION column, (and send copies to the elected officials also) It should get a good point across, and speak louder than you could imagine. Especially if another politician is fixing to run in the next election! He is sure to keep a copy of the letter, and say HE will put hand held scanners in all records rooms, and a chicken in every pot. (sorry, I couldn't resist that one.) Eugenia wrote: > Since these are public records, and we as the taxpayers have certain > rights, I believe it behooves the county offices to give utmost protection > to old records, but at the same time they should spend a fairly reasonable > and small amount of money to provide for an alternative method of obtaining > copies since pencilled copies will not serve to document and > complete our family histories. > > I agree with you that the "fat cats" need their share, but I do think we > have some rights in this matter, and I think the have the right to demand > they spend some of our tax money on the protection of these records while > at the same time providing for our needs. > > Eugenia > > "Bobbye Davis" <bobbye@microsped.com> wrote: > I have not tried the scanner pen. At the court house in Indianola,Sunflower > County I had to stand there and copy the information on paper and the copy > machine was right by me. They say the hand sewn books will eventually come > loose. > I tried to get the clerk in Neshoba Co to let me film with my video cam and > they said the light would destroy the writing. I don't know about all of > theist but I sure wish some one could get the ball rolling. I think the > counties have to pay for the microfilming and I guess they are all too > "poor" to do it. The fat cats would lose too much of the spending money I > guess. > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > ==== BROWN Mailing List ==== > contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

I have been following the comments on copying records. I use a digital camera to copy some things - with practice you can get a straight copy and then it easily joins your records. Using a camera would work with view only records. Joan in CA

Since these are public records, and we as the taxpayers have certain rights, I believe it behooves the county offices to give utmost protection to old records, but at the same time they should spend a fairly reasonable and small amount of money to provide for an alternative method of obtaining copies since pencilled copies will not serve to document and complete our family histories. I agree with you that the "fat cats" need their share, but I do think we have some rights in this matter, and I think the have the right to demand they spend some of our tax money on the protection of these records while at the same time providing for our needs. Eugenia "Bobbye Davis" <bobbye@microsped.com> wrote: I have not tried the scanner pen. At the court house in Indianola,Sunflower County I had to stand there and copy the information on paper and the copy machine was right by me. They say the hand sewn books will eventually come loose. I tried to get the clerk in Neshoba Co to let me film with my video cam and they said the light would destroy the writing. I don't know about all of theist but I sure wish some one could get the ball rolling. I think the counties have to pay for the microfilming and I guess they are all too "poor" to do it. The fat cats would lose too much of the spending money I guess. ----- Original Message ----- > ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

Thank you Liz. I have been overwhelmed with messages about this situatio= n. = The responses leave no doubt that we all want the old records protected, but at the same time need copies. = It is my honest opinion that counties should be required to use some of our tax money to provide an alternate method of obtaining copies when the= records are too fragile to put on a copy machine. In summation, it is my opinion that we as researchers must immediately begin to educate our county officials to this problem and demand they use some of our tax monies to correct and prevent this type of situation.= Thanks for you response. Eugenia "liz" <liz@ultravision.net> wrote: Hi Eugenia, In this part of the country, allowing you to take old marriage record= s is a common practice. They don't want to house the original as all they n= eed is the recording in their books. Some courthouses mail the original back = to the couple if it is not picked up after it is registered. Others just shelved them waiting for someone to call for it. Our license was mailed b= ack to us in 1941. In researching my husband's family in Smith County, Texas, I found th= e recorded marriage record of his great grandparents. I was happy with that= until I met a 2nd cousin, never know to my husband, who had the original.= She had been researching her ancestor, the sister to his great grandmothe= r, and the clerk had told her to take what she wanted as they were going to dispose of them. The 2nd cousin gave me a copy but never did give up the original. Now she is deceased and who knows what happened to her research= =2E Good hunting, Liz Pierce Gun Barrel City, Texas ----- Original Message --- ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= 1 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

could someone tell me how i could get some information from gen column of the boston transcript .1906-1941. the greatest single source of material for gen.data for the n.e area and for the period 1600-1800. completely indexed in the index. may 21 1930, 146 richard montgomery brown born 1781 in massachusetts. thank you

Thanks for George and Ramona for their responses and suggestions. George I cannot imagine clerks allowing anyone to just take at will old records from the courthouses. Frankly, I think a clerk who allows such a practice should be jailed and heavily fined! Ramona, I thank you for your husband's suggestion to go to the judge of the court of that county. I will look into this. This is a suggestion that other researchers who have had the experience of being deprived of copies of documents do the same. To all researchers, I believe it behooves us to begin now to contact, lobby and pressure our public officials to provide utmost protection of these old documents which is in reality, part of our heritage. At the same time, I feel the law should require county offices to provide an alternate method for providing copies of the fragile documents. After all how much is involved to provide a photo-copier which makes copies from above, or some type scanner which unloads to a disk and one can purchase to take home, or a camera capable to making an image of the document. I agree that the public should not be deprived of having copies of public documents which are made, housed and maintained with our tax dollars. From the responses I have received on this matter, it seems that we as researchers are coming into an era that will require some effort on our part to fight abuse and distribution of these old records, to require our public officials to protect and maintain the records and to continue to allow the public the privileges of obtaining copies by some means. These day, its seems someone is always screaming about some sort of discrimination! Well, I say we researchers are being discriminated against when we are denied the right to have copies of the documents we need, while others are allowed free access to the more modern records. Researchers, we need to wake up to what is happening and try to "nip in the bud" this growing trend. Eugenia "George W. Page" <gwpage@erols.com> wrote: I had a similar experience several years ago in a county (un-named) in central PA when they allowed me to go to the basement and go through boxes of old documents, some dated in the 1700s, to take whatever I wanted. I found court appointment orders with my relatives name listed in the proceedings! I wonder if Romona's husband is of the opinion that his suggested tactic would work with the "Declaration of Independence" hoisted for public viewing in a special glass case daily in the U.S. National Archives in Wash., D.C.? GWP ____________ At 03:19 AM 2/2/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I certainly sympathize with not being able to copy old documents. I >understand the necessity of protecting them. However, ... NO public >official can legally deny a copy of any "public" records. It's a >fundamental right to obtain copies of any and all public records at >reasonable costs, times,and places. We do not have a right to just walk >in and demand a copy at any time. However, legally we have a right to >access. >My husband, who is an attorney, said that if you should encounter this >problem in the future, you should go to the Judge's office who is >responsible for that particular court and explain the problem to his/her >bailiff who in turn will relay the information to the judge and the copies >will be released in accordance with law. > >That said, we do need to be careful and try and protect these old >documents and I think it would probably be easier to get the scanner >pen. Of course, I'm not sure what is worse, not being able to get a copy >from a book, or to be handed the original marriage license, as I was in >one county in Tennessee and told that I could have it. I was shocked, and >questioned the clerk, and they said they did it all the time. So I am in >possession of it, and no one will ever be able to look upon it again in >that courthouse. So sad.... > >Ramona > >searching Gibson, Caldwell, Edwards, Brown, Collins, Beets, Beeler, >Croushore, Englebrite/Engebretson >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >==== BROWN Mailing List ==== >contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! ==== BROWN Mailing List ==== contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

I certainly sympathize with not being able to copy old documents. I understand the necessity of protecting them. However, ... NO public official can legally deny a copy of any "public" records. It's a fundamental right to obtain copies of any and all public records at reasonable costs, times,and places. We do not have a right to just walk in and demand a copy at any time. However, legally we have a right to access. My husband, who is an attorney, said that if you should encounter this problem in the future, you should go to the Judge's office who is responsible for that particular court and explain the problem to his/her bailiff who in turn will relay the information to the judge and the copies will be released in accordance with law. That said, we do need to be careful and try and protect these old documents and I think it would probably be easier to get the scanner pen. Of course, I'm not sure what is worse, not being able to get a copy from a book, or to be handed the original marriage license, as I was in one county in Tennessee and told that I could have it. I was shocked, and questioned the clerk, and they said they did it all the time. So I am in possession of it, and no one will ever be able to look upon it again in that courthouse. So sad.... Ramona searching Gibson, Caldwell, Edwards, Brown, Collins, Beets, Beeler, Croushore, Englebrite/Engebretson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I had a similar experience several years ago in a county (un-named) in central PA when they allowed me to go to the basement and go through boxes of old documents, some dated in the 1700s, to take whatever I wanted. I found court appointment orders with my relatives name listed in the proceedings! I wonder if Romona's husband is of the opinion that his suggested tactic would work with the "Declaration of Independence" hoisted for public viewing in a special glass case daily in the U.S. National Archives in Wash., D.C.? GWP ____________ At 03:19 AM 2/2/2001 +0000, you wrote: >I certainly sympathize with not being able to copy old documents. I >understand the necessity of protecting them. However, ... NO public >official can legally deny a copy of any "public" records. It's a >fundamental right to obtain copies of any and all public records at >reasonable costs, times,and places. We do not have a right to just walk >in and demand a copy at any time. However, legally we have a right to >access. >My husband, who is an attorney, said that if you should encounter this >problem in the future, you should go to the Judge's office who is >responsible for that particular court and explain the problem to his/her >bailiff who in turn will relay the information to the judge and the copies >will be released in accordance with law. > >That said, we do need to be careful and try and protect these old >documents and I think it would probably be easier to get the scanner >pen. Of course, I'm not sure what is worse, not being able to get a copy >from a book, or to be handed the original marriage license, as I was in >one county in Tennessee and told that I could have it. I was shocked, and >questioned the clerk, and they said they did it all the time. So I am in >possession of it, and no one will ever be able to look upon it again in >that courthouse. So sad.... > >Ramona > >searching Gibson, Caldwell, Edwards, Brown, Collins, Beets, Beeler, >Croushore, Englebrite/Engebretson >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >==== BROWN Mailing List ==== >contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

In fairness, although it's distressing not to be able to copy information at will, county officials also need to protect these fragile old records for future generations. In several counties (St. Clair County, MO, is one, I believe), I have not been allowed to copy certain old records from the paper originals, but the clerk has made copies for me from microfilm. Obviously, that wasn't presented as an option to Eugenia, but it might be a possibility in other places. (That scanner pen sounds awfully good, too!) -- Beverly Peavler

Hi, When I wanted a copy of the "Old" records in Schluchtern, Germany, he said I could copy as much as I wanted to by hand. the trouble was I couldn't read old German script writing. The records were late 1500's - early 1700's. He said in order to copy them on the machine, he would have to open the book face down, which would be harmful to the book. I saw and looked through the book, very carefully, and could see that he was right. I was very disapointed, but I understood with something that old. I was certainly wishing that I had one of those little document cameras with me. (Digitals weren't out yet). Am hoping that LDS films that book. they filmed some, but not that one. Jerrian

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I sympathize with Eugenia about not being able to copy some old books. I have come across this problem in certain counties. An option for people out there is to buy a scanner pen. I got one for Christmas. Haven't used it yet, but it works. You scan the lines you want into your pen and then later you transfer it to your computer. I was surprised how much data one of those pens could hold! Mine cost $159 from Frys Electronics. I noticed that at Christmas time Ancestry.Com was offering them for the same price. Just an option! Satu

Eugenia: Sometimes those book are too old, too fragile, too brittle to bend them flat enough for copying without destroying the binding or tearing the pages. In many places, the public is not allowed to touch the very old books and manuscripts. Arline

WARNING to other researchers!! This is to forewarn and maybe save time and trouble, researchers needing information from probate records in Noxubee Co. MS. A congenial deputy clerk showed me to the record room. I had done my homework and knew book and page of the instruments needed. I proceeded to locate the old book which contained the Will of my gr-gr-gr-grandfather Brown, consisting of four pages of that book. I took the book to the deputy and explained I would like to get a copy of that instrument, and she turned to the Chancery Clerk, Mary Shelton and told her what I had requested. Ms. Shelton then in a very condescending manner informed me they did not make copies of these old records because the books cannot be taken apart as the more modern books do. Gasping with disbelief, I asked how I would go about getting a copy of this instrument, and she shrugged and said "I don't know unless you bring a camera and make a copy." I explained I have been researching in Courthouses for about 50 years and have never encountered this problem. After a long discussion, she finally agreed to make copies of those four pages, but told me she would not make any further copies from the old books. Needless to say, there was little reason for me to spend time looking at more records, which incidentally, are probably the more disorganized I have encountered. To save others who travel even further distances than I, the expectation of getting copies of your ancestors probate records, I suggest you take a camera, or prepare to spend endless hours hand copying what you need. I do not understand how an elected public official can refuse to allow copies to be made of public records, but Ms. Mary Shelton did! However, to be fair to the people of that county, the Circuit Clerk and her deputies in Noxubee County is among the most cordial and cooperative that I have met anywhere. Have other researchers found the same conditions in the Chancery Clerk's office in Noxubee County? I have dealt with and communicated with the Genealogical Society in that county for several years, and they are always pleasant and helpful. Seems if we need copies of these old probates, we will have to have an expensive camera or wait until the people in that county can have another election. I trust this warning will be of help to other researchers. Eugenia ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 ==== MISSISSIPPI Mailing List ==== Visit the Mississippi-L Website at http://www.rootsweb.com/~mississi where you can both SUBSCRIBE and UNSUBSCRIBE with a click of the mouse. ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1

--WebTV-Mail-30083-715 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Addition: Also reported that John BROWN lived around Elberton, GA., solidfied by the fact we have interred in Brown Cemetery one Elbert BROWN. Cemetery is located near Burns, Dickson, TN. Near I-40 and Old Spencer Mill Road. Michael David Brown Bakersfield Brigade --WebTV-Mail-30083-715 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-101-5.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.30) by storefull-238.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-5.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 52FED22C; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:57:30 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: genebug7@webtv.net Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.123]) by smtpin-101-5.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 8482C239; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8G5spa00946; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:54:51 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:54:51 -0700 X-Original-Sender: genebug7@webtv.net Fri Sep 15 22:54:50 2000 X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhRlX/b+rnEKen8+ywpiedzrWuKr+wIVALUIaUZzyxhxOHTO1IicBkdBotDX From: genebug7@webtv.net (Michael Brown) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:54:57 -0700 (PDT) Old-To: BROWN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <28443-39C30B31-1789@storefull-237.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Subject: [BROWN] BROWN-GILBERT Connection in NC-GA-TN Resent-Message-ID: <J67QjB.A.gO.qsww5@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: BROWN-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: BROWN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <BROWN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/6853 X-Loop: BROWN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: BROWN-L-request@rootsweb.com I am looking for descendants and cousins of John Andrew BROWN (1767NC-JUN1850-Burns, Dickson, Tennessee --and-- Martha "Patsey" GILBERT (1769-GA-NOV1849-Burns, Dickson, Tennessee. They lived in Franklin County, Georgia in the 1790's and married there circa 1797-1799. I have an almost complete list of there siblings and spouses, and have very good lineage records to the present. This is my second posting, and I am ready to help anyone. 1790 Census for Franklin County, GA: John BROWN Charles GILBERT Thomas GILBERT Charles owned land on Shoals Creek and may have attended Nails Creek Baptist Church?? Appreciate any inquiries......Mike Michael David Brown Bakersfield Brigade ==== BROWN Mailing List ==== contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com ============================== Personalized Mailing Lists: never miss a connection again. http://pml.rootsweb.com/ Brought to you by RootsWeb.com. --WebTV-Mail-30083-715--

--WebTV-Mail-31406-18 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Michael David Brown Bakersfield Brigade --WebTV-Mail-31406-18 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAtAhUAjEYiSkJLT4xXDbFKGwzILyf+bScCFHWb0WKoQ9iuU446+uezslqJyB3N From: genebug7@webtv.net (Michael Brown) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2000 01:52:21 -0700 (PDT) To: gzumwalt@midwest.net (gzumwal Subject: Children of George Venable Message-ID: <23125-39DC4145-34@storefull-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net> In-Reply-To: "gzumwalt" <gzumwalt@midwest.net>'s message of Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:44:14 -0700 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary=WebTV-Mail-25562-16 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) --WebTV-Mail-25562-16 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit BAKER & Sarah Jane BROWN BAKER, George Venable ("Vennie") (25MAY1848-Hopkinsville, Christian, KY., Woodwards 2nd KY Cavalry, Company G, Private. - 16DEC1916, Graham, Pinewood, Little Spring Creek, Hickman, TN.)11MAR1869>> BROWN, Sarah Jane (13NOV1850- Little Spring Creek, Hickman, TN. - 15SEP1936, Lyles, Hickman, TN.) 1. Robert McMinn (17DEC1872- 10FEB1874--died in infancy, named after McMinn County TN) 2. Susan Ann "Annie" (1AUG1875- Summer, 1935) Married: FUQUA, Jerome L. (c.1864-) 3. Charley Cheatham (16JUN1877- 21APR1878--died in infancy, named after Cheatham Co TN 4. John "Johnny" Milton (12SEP1879- 15NOV1959) Married: McCALEB, Della J. (1885-1953) 5. Mollie (15NOV1883-24APR1968) My grandmother, married My grandfather 7OCT1909: HARRINGTON, Lawrence Harbert (5JUN1879-31OCT1960) named after Harbert Lawrence SUGGS, his Great Grandfather. 6. James "Jimmy Lee" (3OCT1885- Fall, 1953) Married: PETTY, Bertha All children's names and dates transcribed from Francis Milton BAKER'S Bible presented to him in 1835 by Alfred R. BAKER in Russellville, Logan, KY. Later, in 1852, he married the widow of Robert E. BAKER (1st cousins), Frances Ann BOYER-BAKER. He died within the year, as she married Andrew Jeremiah CHAMBERLAIN in 1853. This is all borne out by Logan County, KY. marriage records and time lines. 1880 Hickman County Census #57/67 Joel H. FUQUA m 60 TN VA VA (Cabinet Worker/Farmer) Rebecca (DUDLEY) f 55 TN SC SC Elizabeth Ann f 19 TN TN TN Jerome L. (S ?) m 15 TN TN TN Note:Arminta poss, married already, born May, 1850. Also Jesse A (1860) and Eppason ("Eppsey"-1862, who later had kids:Ethel, Rebecca, Joel, Lubelle and Eppsey) I believe Joel's lineage to be Jesse Jerome (1793), Isham(1750), Ralph (1694), Guillaume (1667), and that's all I have........ Sincerely, Mike FUQUA, Samuel (UNK), Physician, on 20DEC1830 Married: BAKER, Louvinia (Lavinia) (1812) in Logan County, KY. She was the sister to my Robert Edwards BAKER, my GG Grandfather (1823-1850). Michael David Brown Bakersfield Brigade --WebTV-Mail-25562-16 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-9.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.49) by storefull-235.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-102-9.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 4EA09C4; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: genebug7@webtv.net Received: from mail003.mail.onemain.com (SMTP-OUT001.ONEMAIN.COM [63.208.208.71]) by smtpin-102-9.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with SMTP id C91A636 for <genebug7@webtv.net>; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13360 invoked from network); 24 Sep 2000 15:42:50 -0000 Received: from ilwest01-44.midwest.net (HELO pavilion) ([209.248.7.54]) (envelope-sender <gzumwalt@midwest.net>) by mail003.mail.onemain.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for <genebug7@webtv.net>; 24 Sep 2000 15:42:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c0264f$0fa7c920$3607f8d1@pavilion> From: "gzumwalt" <gzumwalt@midwest.net> To: "Michael Brown" <genebug7@webtv.net> References: <3527-39CE0208-3402@storefull-234.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: Re: YOUR FIRST NAME?? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:44:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Yes, Michael we have corresponded before. I am doing my FUQUA BAKER line. And yes, I am related to the admiral. He is my husbands cousin. My first name is Linda. Have you heard of a Brown Lee Baker that was supposed to have been born in Hickman Co. Tn.? Or a Henry Rogers? I do have information on the Zumwalt's there is a lot of information on them. dating back to 1600. Do you need any information? Or can you help me? Thank you. Linda Barber Zumwalt 10:43 a.m. Sunday ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Brown <genebug7@webtv.net> To: <gzumwalt@midwest.net> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 6:30 AM Subject: YOUR FIRST NAME?? > > Hello G. Zumwalt, > > Any relation to Admiral Zumwalt? > Just curious. We have corresponded > in the past, and I am afraid that I > have misplaced, or never knew, > your first name. > > You have been on my mail list > for some time, and I would like > to be on a first-name basis, ok?? > > Thanks and Regards, > > > > > > Michael David Brown > Bakersfield Brigade > > --WebTV-Mail-25562-16-- --WebTV-Mail-31406-18--

--WebTV-Mail-17543-8 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit The Feraby or Pheriby was a PENDERGRASS before she married Aaron LAWS. Michael David Brown Bakersfield Brigade --WebTV-Mail-17543-8 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-5.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.31) by storefull-238.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:41:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-102-5.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) id 3A63F122; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:41:01 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: genebug7@webtv.net Received: from imo-r11.mail.aol.com (imo-r11.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.65]) by smtpin-102-5.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id F144FF2 for <genebug7@webtv.net>; Sat, 11 Nov 2000 23:40:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from UpAllNite7@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.32.) id 2.f9.47e9dc8 (24902) for <genebug7@webtv.net>; Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:40:19 -0500 (EST) From: UpAllNite7@aol.com Message-ID: <f9.47e9dc8.273fa362@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 02:40:18 EST Subject: Re: MY GGG Grandfather To: genebug7@webtv.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 107 Hi Michael... I guess Nettye told you I haven't touched this stuff in years. I have some stuff stored away for now, but i do have a notebook to refer to, albeit somewhat out of date in some areas. But here goes.... Missy Lehman (1977) & Michelle Brown (1980), my daughters Frank W. Brown Jr. (me) (1953) m. Marcey Hornbucke Frank Wilson Brown (my dad) (1916) m. Lillie Couch James Norman Brown (1883 in Dickson) m. Georgenia Arantz James Frank Brown (1852 in Dickson) m. Ladocia White Aquilla Brown (1829 in Dickson) m. Martha Clardy John Brown, Esquire (about 1800 in Va. or Ga) m. Peggy Laws John Brown (about 1760-70, died about 1850 in Dickson) m. Patty (martha) Gilbert Family legend has it that John and two brothers came to America stowed away on a ship from Wales. I've tried to check this out, but, of course, if they were stowaways, it's unlikely there's any record. Otherwise, it's almost impossible to trace down a "John Brown" in the 1700's. There are several, but I have nothing to go by. My best guess is that the family came south from Virginia into Georgia near Elberton, Ga. (i think!). I don't have that documented, but apparently that was common route around the mountains. The family then moved west to Dickson. If they were part of a revolutionary war land grant, or vying for land in the Georgia land lotteries, i don't know, but those are possiblities. Peggy Laws father's name apparently was Aaron Laws, and her mom's name was Feraby. There is documentation of the auction of Aaron Laws' estate. He died in 1825 in Dickson and people purchasing items at his auction included Gilberts, Laws and a John Brown. Feraby apparently bought a lot of items (could have been wife or daughter) (Tape Di-22, page 137 in nashville archives) A fella named Tony England in White Bluff, Tenn., near Dickson is apparenlty related to us somehow. He has information on some of this stuff. >From what i've found, the 1850 census indicates a Esquire was born in Georgia. Goodspeed's History indicates the family moved to Dickson in the 1790s from S.C. This actually would place them in Dickson before 1800. But the 1860 census says he was born in Virginia. (sometimes the head of the family would leave the family behind and claim land, then return, so that might be what happened here). The Census does not list a wife, meaning Miss Laws died before 1850. His occupation was listed as a farmer. Value of land listed at $800. Grown family members Margaret and Aquilla were still living at home in 1850. (This margaret probably was his wife Peggy Luther, half his age) On the older John Brown: Goodspeed's History of Tennessee, Dickson County, refers to John Brown of Turnbull Creek as one of the early settlers in the area in the 1790s. He settled with names such as Edward Tidwell, Samuel Sellers and Minor Bibb (all names who later intermarried with Browns). Goodspeed's indicated Brown and his neighbors came from South Carolina. A will in the Family History Center in Salt Lake City indicates he died about 1850 and that his wife was Martha. It mentions kids James, John and Solomon). Census in 1830 indicates his age was 60-70, which would put his birth 1760-70. My late great aunt Vivian Brown told me the stowaway story, saying the three brothers went separate ways after arriving in US. Port of entry unknown. On the Gilbert (Martha or Patty?) name, John Brown's will refers to his wife Martha. Goodspeed History refers to a Thomas Gilbert of Dickson County who fought in the War of 1812 (It also tells of an M. Gilbert who was killed near Charlotte, TN, in the Civil War). Patty(or Martha) Gilbert was about the same age as John Brown, according to the 1830 census. That's pretty much where i hit a dead end. The only way i could think of to trace John Brown back was to trace the family histories of the Tidwells, Bibbs, Stuarts, Whites, and Sellers to see if maybe there were records of John Brown parrellelling them. But that task was too daunting. I gave genealogy a 4-5 year run, but finally tired of too many dead ends. Perhaps i'll pick it up again some day, but not now. Yes, I've been to the Brown Cemetery in Dickson, too. Plus, there's another Cemetery there that holds many of the Browns' in-laws. I think it's Stuart Cemetery near Burns, TN. Nettye may have given you all this already. I think i've shared much of what i know with her. Good luck on your search. If you make any major breakthroughs, let me know and i'll file it away with the rest of my stuff for future generations. Frank In a message dated 11/12/2000 12:45:35 AM Central Standard Time, genebug7@webtv.net writes: << My line is: Caleb Daniel BROWN - 1985 (My Son) Michael David BROWN - 1948 Orville Matthew BROWN - 1918 Andrew "Jackson" BROWN - 1877 Andrew "Jackson" "Jack" BROWN - 1839 John "Squire" BROWN - 1800 John Andrew BROWN - 1867 ?? Wives: None Donna Lynn McCRAY Nellie "Dimple" HARRINGTON Evalena LUTHER Rebecca Catherine LADD Margaret "Peggy" LAWS ? Margaret "Peggy" LUTHER Martha "Patsey" GILBERT I am 52, and am a Commercial Manager for a collection agency in Bakersfield,CA. I started my genealogy quest in 1978. I have several dates to share, and I would love to here from you. Thanks to Nettye, perhaps we can now share our info on our heritage. I have been to BROWN cemetery in 1980 and possess the 1961 map, given to me by our dear cousin, Emmett Loye BROWN, who passed from this life in 1993. Now, Carl GENTRY is one of the caretakers. I was born in Nashville, Tennessee in 1948, but raised in the small oil town of Taft, Kern, California. I am the only "known" ancestor in this "direct" line who is absorbed in tracing our roots. How are you tied in....to Squire??? Thanks for your kind consideration and help on OUR Family, CUZZIN Frank!!! God Bless, Mike Michael David Brown Bakersfield Brigade >> --WebTV-Mail-17543-8--

In a message dated 1/29/01 1:01:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, BROWN-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > brown hotel - there was once A Brown Suburban Motel here in Louisville on > Bardstown Rd. there was Also A Brown Hotel downtown Louisville . You may > scheck into that, he died back in the 70s or 80s . I have no other info > kam >

Noticed your post Gordon. My Grandmother was a Brown. She was B-TX 1872 in Mansfield or Arlington. She was Alta Elizabeth Brown >>>> Isac T. Brown B-1851 Winston Co MS >>>> John P.S. Brown B-1826 Tuscaloosa Co AL >>>> Thomas P Brown B-1801 SC or TN>>>> Thomas Brown B-1771 SC. Any thing here look fimiliar. I live in Hurst TX Bill GRHaleJr@cs.com wrote:Hi Barbara, > Thanks for the information. > > Gordon Reid Hale > Grand Prairie, Texas >