The Bates County (MO) History written in 1883 mentions that a John W. Brown lived in Hudson Twp., of Bates Co., MO. Here is a brief synopsis of his write-up from p. 1328: John W. Brown is a native of Maryland, and was b. Dec, 1813. John Brown, his father, a native of Penn., b. 1790, m. Miss Nancy BRALSFORD, from the same state. John W. Brown moved to Ohio with his parents in 1817, and located in Muskingum County. In 1835 he went to Champaign Co.. On the 3rd of Nov. 1836 he m. Miss Elizabeth WHITE, a dau. of Samuel and Mercy White. She was b. in Bucks Co. PA in 1820. After their married they resided in Champaign Co for about 20 years. He went to MO in Feb. 1866, and first settled in Henry Co, but in one year moved to Bates Co. where he bought land and improved his farm in Section 6. He and his wife raised a family of 11 children: Amos A. Brown & Samuel W. Brown both died in the service of their country in Oct. 1862, The former was in the 66 OH Vol. Inf. Regt. and d. in the hospital at Annapolis; Samuel was a member of the 13th OH Vol. Inf. Regt. and d. in the hospital at Memphis. Three others are also deceased, Tamar, Joseph N. (who died in Oct. 1867), and John H., an express messenger who was killed in a railroad accident in Dec. 1880. Those living are Thomas J., Mary A. (now Mrs. M.R. McKINLEY), James T., Benjamin F., Caroline E. (now Mrs. Clark Wix), and Virena (now Mrs. G. W. PHARIS).

Re: Scanner Pen I am looking at the following company: http://www.wizcomtech.com/products/quicklink.html greg

To all who are doing research in Delaware County, Indiana: The transcription of the Delaware County, IN 1850 Federal Census is now COMPLETE and can be found online at ftp://ftp.us-census.org/pub/usgenweb/census/in/delaware/1850/ Thanks to SK Publications for supplying the hard copy for transcription. You will also find Browns in the website below. Virginia BROWN / VANARSDOL / LEE / GIBSON / AND MANY MORE ALLIED LINES In Delaware, Henry, and Wayne Counties, Indiana ----INDIANA HERITAGE---- http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~acorntree/

I found one on Amazon.com and it was 159.95. My sister and I are taking a geneology tour through NC and SC in June; before we leave we're getting one! Barb > does anyone know where i could get a scanner pen or how much it cost. thank > you > > > ==== BROWN Mailing List ==== > > contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog >

Thanks, to George, for the note to BROWN-L, reaffirming the necessity of using acid-free products for genealogical documentation. It's a point that cannot be stressed too much. I had only intended to suggest the solution (pun appreciated and admired) for newpaper clippings, either current or old, and would never indicate that a non-experienced person attempt to neutralize precious documents. Even present-day newprint is subject to rapid degeneration, and, in fact, may severely damage other documents, if left in contact with them. Indeed, one should never allow different types of materials to be stored in a touching state -- photos, in particular, may damage paper products left in contact with them. There are several good sites online to research archival preservation of materials, and we genealogical hobbyists should educate ourselves, so our discoveries may potentially survive for hundreds more years. Jim Patrick.

Jim's solution (pun intended) for persevering paper is based upon the fact the most of the older paper products were made with acid. His formula counteracts the acid in the paper product. Those of us who prepare family history documents and books intended to survive through the ages, use acid-free paper. George W. Page ________ At 10:35 AM 2/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >As much as I usually complain about material that's not strictly BROWN >genealogical, I am grateful to the listowner for allowing this discussion >about preservation of important documents. I have used the following for >preservation of newspaper clippings, and have had no adverse reactions, but I >can't guarantee results for anyone else. I would certainly caution against >using it on valuable documents or anything written by hand ! > >Mix 1 quart of chilled club soda with 2 tablespoons of milk of magnesia. >This solution should be refrigerated overnight before using it. > >Put the solution in a shallow glass dish or plastic pan just large enough to >accomodate the clipping. > >One clipping should be processed at a time, allowing it to soak for one hour >in the solution. > >Carefully remove the clipping and place it between several layers of white >(no pattern) paper towels to soak out the solution. It helps to place a flat >weight on top. > >Let the clippings dry on a clean flat surface. > >Clippings processed in this way should not become brown and brittle over time. > >Jim Patrick, >researching four distinct lines: > >1. HALL & HOUSE (PA>KY>IN), BANTA (NJ>KY>IN>IL?), BRITTON (Eng>OH>IN), >WETZEL (Ger>OH>IN), DANNER, PHERIGO, FALLIS, PRESSLEY (KY), AND DEMAREST (FR> >Eng>NJ>KY) > >2. PATRICK (PA>NC>IN), ABEL/ABLE, BEATTY, SHUMWAY, DOWNS, BROWN (MA>VT>NY>OH> >IN), ROCKWELL (NS>CT>NY), BARNEY, SHIDLER, HOLMAN, JACOBS (PA>NC>IN>OH), >CHENEY, GAITHER > >3. GROUTAGE (Eng>CO>IL), BUCY, SALISBURY, MENDENHALL, FREEMAN (NY>IL), >CLARK, > >4. BROWN (VA>NC>TN>IN>IL), CASTEEL (Native American TN), SHERRILL (NC>TN> >IL), PAYNE, PLATE, GUSTINE( NY>OH>IL), SEVIER, CAMP (NY>TN>IL), > > > >==== BROWN Mailing List ==== > >contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > >============================== >Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

As much as I usually complain about material that's not strictly BROWN genealogical, I am grateful to the listowner for allowing this discussion about preservation of important documents. I have used the following for preservation of newspaper clippings, and have had no adverse reactions, but I can't guarantee results for anyone else. I would certainly caution against using it on valuable documents or anything written by hand ! Mix 1 quart of chilled club soda with 2 tablespoons of milk of magnesia. This solution should be refrigerated overnight before using it. Put the solution in a shallow glass dish or plastic pan just large enough to accomodate the clipping. One clipping should be processed at a time, allowing it to soak for one hour in the solution. Carefully remove the clipping and place it between several layers of white (no pattern) paper towels to soak out the solution. It helps to place a flat weight on top. Let the clippings dry on a clean flat surface. Clippings processed in this way should not become brown and brittle over time. Jim Patrick, researching four distinct lines: 1. HALL & HOUSE (PA>KY>IN), BANTA (NJ>KY>IN>IL?), BRITTON (Eng>OH>IN), WETZEL (Ger>OH>IN), DANNER, PHERIGO, FALLIS, PRESSLEY (KY), AND DEMAREST (FR> Eng>NJ>KY) 2. PATRICK (PA>NC>IN), ABEL/ABLE, BEATTY, SHUMWAY, DOWNS, BROWN (MA>VT>NY>OH> IN), ROCKWELL (NS>CT>NY), BARNEY, SHIDLER, HOLMAN, JACOBS (PA>NC>IN>OH), CHENEY, GAITHER 3. GROUTAGE (Eng>CO>IL), BUCY, SALISBURY, MENDENHALL, FREEMAN (NY>IL), CLARK, 4. BROWN (VA>NC>TN>IN>IL), CASTEEL (Native American TN), SHERRILL (NC>TN> IL), PAYNE, PLATE, GUSTINE( NY>OH>IL), SEVIER, CAMP (NY>TN>IL),

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Found the 1860 Census for WILEY BROWN he had moved to Hamilton Co in 1860 and back to Marion in 1870. I do not know why he had a different name in each census. In the 1860 census wife Caroline was listed as b. 1826 GA. Wiley b. 1824 GA. Ch Hetty 16 GA Abagall 11 GA Susan 8 GA Silas (instead of Elias) 8 GA John 6 TN Sarah 5 TN Viney 4 TN James 3 TN Margaret 2/12 TN Does William Wiley Westly BROWN ring a bell? Pat Hoffman

Hi Jim, It is quite interesting that we are both researching Collins and Brown, however, at this time, I don't find a connection to your lines. My Brown is George Pettigrew Brown of West Virginia around 1900. I have just started this search, so I have nothing to offer here. My Collins line I have been researching for 16 years. I have two of them that married, one being Larkin Collins of Granger County, Tennessee and the other being Freeling Hyson Collins of Granger County and also Clay County, Kentucky. I have Larkin back to 1803 and Freeling to 1816. I find no trace of either of them before these dates. They evidentally feel from the sky and landed here one day :-) . So now, I have decided to concentrate my energies upon lines which until now I did not have time for. Thus, George Pettigrew Brown. I know his wife's name was Margaret and she died in Daytona Beach, Florida. They had several children including Olive Jean Brown, my grandmother, William Brown, Harry Brown, Red Brown, and Snow Brown. (Not sure if Red and Snow are nicknames or not). So if anyone out there has any information on George, I would love to hear from you. Ramona researching Collins, Gibson, Caldwell, Edwards, Brown, Beets, Beeler, Croushore, Engelbrite/Engebretson >From: BROWN-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: BROWN-L@rootsweb.com >To: BROWN-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: BROWN-D Digest V01 #30 >Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2001 09:00:11 -0800 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I am looking for information on William Westly BROWN b. 1820 GA or TN. Listed as William on 1850 Marion Co TN Census, he was married to Caroline b. 1803 NC (1850 census) or Caroline b. 1832 TN (1870 census). He was listed as Westly on 1870 census. Children on 1850 Census 1. Hetta BROWN b. 1843 GA 2. Abigal BROWN b. 1845 GA 3. Susan BROWN b. 1846 GA 4. Elias BROWN b. 1848 GA 5. John BROWN b. 1849 TN A.G. NORMANN 20 TN carpenter living in household. Children 1870 Census 6. Jane BROWN b. 1854 TN 7. Vina BROWN b. 1856 TN 8. James BROWN b. 1857 TN 9. George BROWN b. 1861 TN 10. Columbus BROWN b. 1863 TN These BROWNS seemed to have left Marion Co after 1870 and I am not sure where they were in 1860. Any help appreciated. Pat Hoffman

Minor C. Brown was b. 1864. The Milam Co., TX census shows that he was b. in MS and that his parents were b. in MS. Minor married Roxie Burrough sometime before 1898 and he d. in 1901 at age 36. He is buried in Blackjack Cemetery in Burleson Co., TX. Roxie was b. in MS in 1873 (some sources say 1879) and she died in 1968. She lived in Rockdale, TX for many many years and she is buried in Blackjack Cemetery, also. After Minor died she married Alexander Watkins. Minor is my grandfather and he and Roxie had 2 children, James Richard Brown, b. 1898 and Alma, b. 1900. I cannot find any other information on Minor. Any info would be appreciated. Hazel

could someone go to the acton public library in ma.and take a picture of elizabeth brooks. her first husband is captain davis. i will pay for it. she is vary aged. thank you

Ramona, I note that you are looking for Brown and Collins. Perhaps we have some common ancestors. I am a descendent of John Brown and Kisiah Morrison. According to Census records they were both born in PA and died in IA. They lived at or near Bentonsport, Van Bueren, IA. they had one son, James, my great-grandfather and four daughters: Esther, Ellen, Phobe, and Martha. Esther, b. 9 Dec 1843, married John A. Collins on 10 Jan 1868. Thought to have been born in Quincy, IL. Died 8 Dec 1917. The 1880 census for Grundy Co. MO shows two children under 10: Elizabeth E. and Elma E. That census record also shows a James H. Collins and a William E Collins Only one census record shows Phobe. Martha m. Frederick Hancock Hope these connect. Jim Brown

In response to Mr. Page's query about copying the Declaration of Independance; if copies were not otherwise readily available, which they indeed are, then legally you would have a right to obtain a copy. However, we are very fortunate in the fact that there are ample copies available. If Mr. Page would like a copy, I will be happy to send him one, as my 14 year old daughter has a copy. Just let me know if you would like one. Ramona >From: BROWN-D-request@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: BROWN-L@rootsweb.com >To: BROWN-D@rootsweb.com >Subject: BROWN-D Digest V01 #29 >Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2001 14:00:13 -0800 > ><< message2.txt >> ><< message4.txt >> ><< message6.txt >> ><< message8.txt >> ><< message10.txt >> ><< message12.txt >> ><< message14.txt >> ><< message16.txt >> ><< message18.txt >> ><< message20.txt >> _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I too hope old records will be protected, with access for copies. In the NC State Archives building,Raleigh,NC, you are screened before entering the room,and once inside, you are watched at all times to make sure you handle documents/papers as per their instructions. You must use pencils,not ink pens. You have to sign in and out . Believe me,if you forget their instructions,they remind you. That is good. I want to know that if in the year 2009, I find I want copies of Joe Blow's will, it will be there. Carrie Rowe

I feel very fortunate to live in a county where the people are very interested in History and genealogy. Our county has provided a room in the court house to house an archives of county records. Some money is provided but all of the help is volunteer. They are striving to clean and preserve all of the old records in acid free folders and provide copies that can be copied rather than so much handling of the old documents. There are volunteers who are entering into the computer all of the marriage bonds and license. Many of the records have been microfilmed and copies can be made from the film. The library is growing and this is a good solution for the county because the volunteers answer all of the inquires, letters and phone calls coming in from researchers. Naturally, the volunteers are interested in genealogy and history and the importance of sharing the same. I am sure that no one in our county would offer an original copy to anyone. The point that I am trying to make is that it is possible to save our heritage when the county and Genealogical societies and Historical societies all work together for a common good. I do know that there are efforts being made in the state of Tennessee to train volunteers in the preservation of old records. It just takes interest, and public evolvement. Hopefully, this idea could catch on all over the country if enough effort is made. Pat Hoffman

Anyone have a Washington Brown in their genealogy? I'm looking for a Washington Brown who sometime around 1868 was in Warren County, NC and fathered a child. C.J.

Laminating seems like a good answer. But we are discovering that laminating seals the "toxins" in and the paper disintegrates even faster. So, if you have old documents, don't laminate! Lynne Hundley -----Original Message----- Money could be usefully spent to laminate the old documents in plastic to protect them from handling and copying abuse. I doubt that officials would spend taxpayer funds for this purpose, so maybe donations from the users and general public would be appropriate. GWP At 10:38 AM 2/2/2001 -0600, you wrote: >Thank you Liz. I have been overwhelmed with messages about this situatio= >n. = > >The responses leave no doubt that we all want the old records >protected, but at the same time need copies. = > >It is my honest opinion that counties should be required to use some of >our tax money to provide an alternate method of obtaining copies when the >records are too fragile to put on a copy machine. > >In summation, it is my opinion that we as researchers must immediately >begin to educate our county officials to this problem and demand they >use some of our tax monies to correct and prevent this type of situation.= > >Thanks for you response. > >Eugenia > > > > > >"liz" <liz@ultravision.net> wrote: >Hi Eugenia, > > In this part of the country, allowing you to take old marriage record= >s >is a common practice. They don't want to house the original as all they n= >eed >is the recording in their books. Some courthouses mail the original back = >to >the couple if it is not picked up after it is registered. Others just >shelved them waiting for someone to call for it. Our license was mailed b= >ack >to us in 1941. > In researching my husband's family in Smith County, Texas, I found th= >e >recorded marriage record of his great grandparents. I was happy with that= > >until I met a 2nd cousin, never know to my husband, who had the original.= > >She had been researching her ancestor, the sister to his great grandmothe= >r, >and the clerk had told her to take what she wanted as they were going to >dispose of them. The 2nd cousin gave me a copy but never did give up the >original. Now she is deceased and who knows what happened to her research= >=2E > >Good hunting, > >Liz Pierce >Gun Barrel City, Texas > >----- Original Message --- > > > > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=3D= >1 > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1 > > >==== BROWN Mailing List ==== >contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com ==== BROWN Mailing List ==== contact list manager at judjack@rocketmail.com ============================== The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1

The issues of old documents are complex. One problem, of course, is limited funding. and limited staff because of limited funding. Yes, we need to encourage legislators to fund record preservation. Another solution is amateur genealogists donating time to assist in the records' offices. An advantage to such volunteer assistance (an afternoon a week, for instance) is that the staff then see us as part of the solution rather than just more people demanding service from already over-worked staff. And besides, that gets us into the offices where we can see what is happening and perhaps influence the future of our records. (I too am horrified by the thought of "giving" away the originals.) Lynne Hundley searching Buckingham Browne's descendants in Virginia. -----Original Message----- ... we all want the old records protected, but at the same time need copies. ... we researchers must immediately begin to educate our county officials to ... use some of our tax monies to correct and prevent this type of situation.