BRO*M*s & BRUM*s, I have not emailed the BRUM*s before so let me introduce the DNA project to them in the next paragraph. I assume Broom & Brum are sometimes pronounced the same since there are both BROOMFIELDs & BRUMFIELDs and there are BROOMs, BROMEs, & BRUMMs. I also assume surnames have been shortened to Broom/e & in some cases lengthened from Broom/e, since the taking of surnames in the 1200s. Since some of us with widely varying surnames may descend from the same 1st man to take the surname, those who descend from the same 1st man will have identical Y-chromosomes & thus we need a DNA surname project that includes all the variants, so we can put DNA matches side by side regardless of the spelling. It is to everyone's advantage financially to be in a DNA project since the 25 marker test costs $229 outside of a project & inside of a project it costs $169 -- a savings of $60! We can split off surnames into their own DNA project later. BRO*M*s & BRUM*s, The "Broom" DNA project is ready for people to join. Joining means buying a kit with analysis from Family Tree DNA. If you prefer to buy a kit & analysis from another company, please let me know the test results so we can tell to which BRO*M*/BRUM*s you are kin & aren't. You will probably need to buy the kit & analysis from one company. One company does not process using another's kit. The kits are generally free with analysis. I think FT DNA is the cheapest for 25 markers at $169 + $2 postage. We are finding out that Europeans are so much alike that the 25 marker test is necessary to make sure we have a match, so please order the 25 marker test, unless you just can't afford $171. Be sure who ever is to be tested is willing & will follow the instructions carefully. To see the instructions, go to the BRO*M*/BRUM* DNA web page at: http://freepages.genealogy.RootsWeb.Com/~jwg3/bromdna.htm (if down, the web site is duplicated at: http://members.FortuneCity.Com/jgreen/bromdna.htm) and scroll down to section 4b & click on "Instructions For testing". To join, go to the above web page & scroll down to 4c & click on "Fill out form to join the Bro/u*m* Surname DNA Project". I bought a kit with analysis for one of my Broom first cousin today since that is as close as I can come to getting the Y-chromosome of my maternal grandfather (W.F. Broom Sr. 1864-1939). My 1st cousin & grandpa should be a perfect match. When one of my 4th cousins in MS is tested & I get a perfect match between my 1st & one of my MS 4th cousins, then we descendants of my gt. gt. gt. grandpa Wm. Broom (1753-1826) will know the values of his (Wm. Broom's) 25 markers & all the Broom men in the 2 lines of the 2 testees. I also look forward to knowing if the Brooms who settled in 1768 (a mile away from my gt. gt. gt. gt. grandpa Broom) are kin. From what my grandfather said they would be my 6th cousins. I notice that Bennett Greenspan has named our project, Broom. Sorry. I meant it to be named Bro*m*/Brum*. I guess Broom is simplier. I hope that will be ok with you all. Searching for Bro* & Bru* at FT DNA that had paid for Y chromosome DNA analysis, I find: Broom 1 Broomall 1 Broomhall 1 Brummel 1 The one Broom (above) is surely the one I ordered today, because it was not there yesterday when I checked. I hope the Broomall, Broomhall, & Brummel join our project. All they have to do is email the president (Bennett Greenspan). Email me if you are one of those testees. I will try to get through with answering questions within the next week & unsub from all but my BroomF list. I don't want to bore or infringe on these other lists. If you do not think your surname is related to Broom/e, let me know. We can spin off your surname as its own DNA project with you as its administrator. See http://www.familytreedna.com/ftGroupQRGuide.html#AdvancedPM -- James W. Green III 172 Agnew Road Winnsboro SC 29180 803-635-9236 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!