BROOMs, BROOMEs, BROUGHAMs, BROMFIELDs, BROOMFIELDs, BROMLEYs, BROOMBAUGHs, If no one has considered doing a DNA project for Broom/e &/or Brougham &/or surnames that start with something that may sound like BROOM sounding such as Bromley, I will start one at FT DNA. Starting a surname project has several benefits: 1) It costs $169 + postage for a 25 marker test that is in a surname project vs $209 if not in a surname project. (It seems to have gone up from $209 to $229 for those not in a project.) 2) The value of each of marker is only important & interesting when compared to the marker values of other people carrying the surname. I am co-administrator of the Green/e DNA project which is at: http://freepages.genealogy.RootsWeb.Com/~jwg3/greendna.htm You might want to look at it to see how I handle DNA results to see if you approve. If you have suggestions, let me know. Yesterday I got my 1st cousin to agree to donate his DNA so we will have one Fairfield County SC Broom in the project to compare to. His lineage is: Walter Furman BROOM III b. 1938 Lancaster Co. SC Walter Furman BROOM Jr. b. 1911 Lancaster Co. SC Walter Furman BROOM Sr. b. 1864 Fairfield Co. SC Tho. Furman BROOM MD b. 1834 Fairfield Co. SC Charles BROOM Sr. b. 1784 Fairfield Co. SC William BROOM b. 1753 d. Fairfield Co. SC Charles BROOM d. Fairfield Co. SC The project will be able to prove who we are not kin to & show who we are kin to since we 1st took the surname in the 1200s or 1300s. BROUGHAMs, Do you pronounce your surname BROOM or how? My grandfather b. 1864 said our BROOMs were originally BROUGHAMs, but I've never seen any evidence of that or even heard of anyone else with that legend no matter how distantly kin they are to my Brooms. Also please let me know who else is interested in the DNA testing. One will have to pay for their own test. I can only pay for one test -- my closest relative with my Brooms' Y chromosome. The testee must: 1) be male because only males have a Y chromosome. (The Y chromosome is what makes them a male.) 2) be the son of a son of a son of a Broom for as far back as is known. Usually this would mean the testee would carry the Broom/e Brougham Bromley ... surname. So, the testee must be carrying a Broom/e, Brougham, Bromley, ... Y chromosome. Ladies & BROOM male descendants not carrying the surname (Y chromosome) can participate by getting their BRO*M* kin to be tested & perhaps paying for the test if they can find no relative who will pay for his own test. I think it will be very interesting if any Brougham Ys match any Broom/e Ys. We should also invite & include BRUMs, BROM/Es & any other surname that is phonetically the same as BROOM since spelling is unimportant since the DNA tests go back to the 1200s & 1300s when men took up surnames. BROMLEY, BROMFIELD, BROOMFIELD, BROOMBAUGH, BROOMHALL, & such should be included since our surname may have been shortened from those longer surnames since the 1200s. Also they may have been BROOMs of some spelling who added more (e.g. ley, field, hall) to their BROOM surname to differentiate themselves from their kin. Since Broom is such a common place name in the UK, we can expect many sets of BROOMs regardless of how the name is spelled since many unrelated men probably took the surname for the flower, Plantagenets, or place names. Are there other reasons for the surname? Anyway, I expect we will get many participants and learn what spellings & groups descend from the same original BROOMs (regardless of how the original BROOM spelled the surname he created & took up). If any surnames I've mentioned want to create a separate surname project, let me know & I remove them from being listed as part of this project, as soon as you start your project. I think it would be better to keep them in one project so we can group together haplotypes (values of markers) that match regardless of surname. I checked each of the archives of the above lists for DNA & do not find that string, so I guess no one is talking of starting a DNA surname project. I have not taken time to invite the BRUM* variants at this time. I think they should be part of this. These are the ones I see on Fuller's list of lists: BRUMBAUGH BRUMBELOW BRUMBLE (includes Brumbles) BRUMFIELD (includes Broomfield, Bromfield) BRUMLEY BRUMM BRUMMEL BRUMMETT BRUMMETTE Surely BRUMM is a variant of BROOM & BRUMLEY is a variant of BROMLEY, but are Brummel, Brummett, & Brumble, variants of Broom? I suppose they are but subscribing to all those Brum lists has surprised & overwhelmed me for the moment. -- James W. Green III 172 Agnew Road Winnsboro SC 29180 803-635-9236 ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!