I am receiving double memos. Please cancel one old address [email protected] for [email protected] Thank you. Sharon Carter Lengfellner ----- Original Message ----- From: "Penny Warne" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 4:51 PM Subject: [BNE] Thomas Brooks origins - Dutch connection? > Hi All, > > Please allow me to think outloud here. > > I have been doing some reading and have seen mention of a group of Purtitans > who left England in the late 1500's - early 1600s to settle in Holland due > to the greater religious freedom offered there. I don't know the numbers of > the people that went. Any of the articles I have read so far are vague about > that. Most refer to a "large" group or "many" people immigrating. These same > articles state that 60 to 70 of the same Puritans were, some twenty years > later, members of the Mayflower group. This group is well documented > (obviously) but I haven't found anything on the Puritans that stayed behind > in Holland. The Mayflower Puritans, I'm pretty sure, arrived too early in > North America for Thomas Brooks to have been among them. However, if Thomas > arrived in North America in the late 1620s to early 1630s when he was in in > his early twenties, time wise, it would have been possible for him to have > been both born and married in Holland. > > Is it even remotely possible that Thomas (and maybe Grace) might have been > born to one of those Puritan families in Holland and later on, say in the > late 1620's or so, chose to join the other Puritans who were already > established in North America, perhaps even relatives and friends. That would > explain our lack of success in tracking down his family in the U.S.A. or > England. (So would 2 world wars, fire and a lot of other things) > > Has anyone looked at a possible Dutch connection? I'm probably way off base > but there's no harm in asking. > > Thanks, > Penny Warne > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christopher Brooks <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 3:45 AM > Subject: Re: [BNE] HELP! Re: Grace WHEELER > > > > On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 23:56:02 -0500, Craig Beeman wrote: > > > > :Just checked on World Connect and found some two hundred and forty > > :nine files now there having one Henry BROOKS married to one Grace > > :WHEELER. > > : > > :Found some sixty-nine files there having one Thomas BROOKS married > > :to one Grace WHEELER. > > > > Should we take a poll? :-) As is well known, the internet has > > contributed more genealogical misinformation in the last decade than > > disconnected researchers were able to compile in the centuries > > preceding. It only takes ONE idiot to get something wrong, or make it > > up, and then submit it to the world by way of the Ancestral File or > > the internet. Then the other 248 people Craig counted will mindlessly > > cut and paste to their own site without rechecking anything. > > > > For a while I used to write folks whose websites have Henry Brooks > > born to his second wife (no kidding!), ask them for their sources, > > offer mine, and politely discuss the discrepancies. One in three > > thanked me; one in three ignored me; one in three flamed me in reply. > > I gave up when I realized that genealogy web pages are proliferating > > faster than 10 of us could keep up with. Instead of tilting at > > windmills as a one-man truth squad, I opted to launch this list. As > > much as to share and to help make connections, the list was conceived > > to counter, in some small way, the hemorrhage of misinformation that > > has flooded the internet. > > > > :Might any one of you have even one solid primary source for a > > :marriage of a Grace WHEELER to any Henry BROOKS during the early > > :1600's. > > :Same for a Grace WHEELER to any Thomas BROOKS during this same > > :time period. > > :It is of no consequence to me whether in North America or in the > > :British Isles, but if any marriage has indeed been recorded for a > > :Grace WHEELER and a Henry BROOKS or Thomas BROOKS, I would dearly > > :appreciate learning of same! > > > > The death of Grace, wife of Thomas Brooks, is recorded in 1664 in the > > vital records of Concord, MA. Henry's marriages are thoroughly > > discussed in the literature (Cutter, NEHGS, Robert Peacock Brooks, > > Richardson Memorial, Torrey, etc.). The information in those articles > > has been summarized a number of times in posts to this list, and in > > founder thumbnails we posted perhaps two years ago, and can be found > > in the list archive. Folks new to these names can find more by > > downloading the first issue of Tributaries, a Brooks genealogy > > journal, at http://www.tributaries.org > > Or I can send an annotated narrative and bibliography for either or > > both of these men to anyone interested. > > > > I've found no marriage record for a Thomas Brooks/Grace ____ anywhere > > in the literature in this country. Recently, using the IGI batch > > number method that I posted to the list, I searched the indices of > > every English parish available on LDS film with baptismal/marriage > > records for the years 1590 to 1635. The results were no better. And > > most recently, as I posted to the list, I searched all of East Anglia > > and Lancashire in Boyd's Index of marriages. Once again, no > > Thomas/Grace are found. > > > > And after weeks of combing English record indices, I can say that > > there are many baptisms for men named Thomas, and some (but far > > fewer) for men named Henry; but I haven't found a single Henry and > > Thomas in the same parish at the same time. Furthermore, The Great > > Migration series will, by the next series, have passed both Thomas > > and Henry by, meaning, for all intents and purposes, that their > > emigration will never be known if it's not found in the next two > > years of coverage. It seems more likely as time passes that the > > reason such records have never been found by many prior researchers > > is that they simply don't exist. People have been looking for answers > > to these questions for 150 years! Of course, I still hope ... > > > > Two things I hope to see before I die are a Red Sox World Series win > > and the discovery of the origins of Thomas Brooks. I think the odds > > of the Red Sox are somewhat higher. :-) > > > > Chris > > > > |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > Christopher Hapgood Brooks > > Researching BROOKS Families of New England > > ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| > > > > > > ==== BROOKS-NE Mailing List ==== > > To unsub, send ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE to > > [email protected] > > or [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== BROOKS-NE Mailing List ==== > Archives of previous posts are located at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/BROOKS-NE-L/ > The address is case-sensitive. >