On Wed, 15 May 2002 19:49:35 -0400, LORRAINE DEWYER wrote: :In looking over the list of those buried in The Washington Street :burying ground, where our Rebecca is buried. I noticed there is :also a Adeline, wife of Wm Merriam and a Susannah Hotchkiss. The :name Merriam didnt seem important before, but caught my eye now. You might contact Kit Cutting, the list administrator for MERRIAM-L, who has a copy of Pope's "Merriam Genealogy in England and America." I'd ask her if this William is related to Rebecca Merriam, daughter of Munson (Munson is #58 in the book). Certainly HOTCHKISS is a CT surname. Chris

Hi Chris & Cousins! In looking over the list of those buried in The Washington Street burying ground, where our Rebecca is buried. I noticed there is also a Adeline, wife of Wm Merriam and a Susannah Hotchkiss. The name Merriam didnt seem important before, but caught my eye now. Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

I am one of the cousins researching Thomas and Rebecca. I am inclined to believe Merriam is the correct surname of our Rebecca. Now can someone tell me where I can find the records by Jacobus (I think thats the right one)and anything else helpful on the Cheshire line of Brooks? Thanks in advance Jackie

Jackie Fenby wrote: :I am one of the cousins researching Thomas and Rebecca. I am :inclined to believe Merriam is the correct surname of our Rebecca. :Now can someone tell me where I can find the records by Jacobus (I :think thats the right one)and anything else helpful on the :Cheshire line of Brooks? Jackie, you can start with the list archive. I think Brooks extractions from the Barbour Collection have been posted for most of the CT towns which had a significant Brooks presence. Donald Lines Jacobus was the author of "Families of Early New Haven," which is a classic, and which would be available in any good-sized genealogical library. Some months back I offered photocopies of the Brooks pages from this work to anyone who asked for them, but I'm down to one copy at the moment, and even that's buried somewhere. There isn't a preexisting book or major article on the Cheshire line, other than the Jacobus work I mentioned above. That's why we've been posting and circulating all this data -- to essentially write our own. Last week's posts identified the major sources, which as I recall were Jacobus, Barbour, and Bailey. You'll find more on the Barbour Collection both in the list archive and at http://www.cslib.org/barbour.htm You'll also find in the list archive an explanation of how to use IGI batch numbers to access Barbour Collection film indices at http://www.familysearch.org. Better than relying on any extracted index, of course, would be to view the Barbour listings on LDS film at a Family History Center, but the index will help you find which films to order. If you're in CT by any chance, I believe most local libraries have copies of the Barbour listings for their town, and that the CSL holds the original collection in full. If I'm wrong, someone on the ground in the Nutmeg State will correct me. "Bailey" is Frederick W. Bailey, "Early Connecticut Marriages, As Found on Ancient Church Records Prior to 1800," originally published in 7 vols. in 1886-1902, and reprinted in one combined volume by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1997. Bailey and Barbour often, but not always, overlap. As with the Barbour Collection, I think you'll find the Brooks extracts from Bailey in our list archive. Archives of previous posts are located at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/BROOKS-NE-L/ The address is case-sensitive. There's also Colonial Connecticut Public Records, 1636-1776, at http://www.colonialct.uconn.edu/ After you've done some digging, I'll be happy to send along an annotated file based on the previously-mentioned sources. If I sent it now, it would just be a disincentive to your taking a fresh look on your own. :-) One other option would be to pursue what I call "the collateral surname strategy." I've already checked Pope's Merriam genealogy for you, but you might try subscribing to RootsWeb surname lists for ANDRUS/ANDREWS and posting there. If Thomas and Rebecca had a son Andrus, no matter what Mom's maiden name was, there's gotta be a reason for it. Chris |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Christopher Brooks Researching BROOKS Families of New England ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

Oh dear, are we dense? I didn't realize that I was supposed to respond either. Yes, please keep me on the list. Anne Benson

Hi Chris! Yes it is sad that Rebecca's buried underneath a school, from what Ive read on this. It was one of the oldest burying grounds in the area, but fell into neglect in the mid 1800's. Stones were buried in 1874 and 1878 and the high school was later erected on the site. A complete list isnt available of the stones underground, but Rebeccas and the Cable grandchildren were on the list that is available. If anyone would like this list I will gladly place it on this site for them. Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Hi Chris & Cousins! Well I think we now may know why we havent been able to get beyond Thomas & Rebecca. Perhaps wrong last name! In speaking with some of the cousins who have gotten back with me on what I forwarded to them from you. You have placed a doubt in thier mind now as to what Rebeccas last name was! The 4 cousins who have been at this for several years, are even thinking perhaps we have made an error with the last name. Will keep you posted while we work this out, Thank you so much Chris & Cousins you made have cleared our stumbling block so that we may be able to move forward! Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

On Mon, 13 May 2002 12:16:30 -0400, LORRAINE DEWYER wrote: :I do have the information where Rebecca is buried, not proven yet :if Thomas Sr is buried there also. Rebecca along with two :grandchildren Alva Cable & Marian Cable are buried on Washington :st which is now occupied by Havey High School in Lake Co, Ohio. :The headstones were placed underground when the school was built. :The stones were buried in 1874, so Rebecca must have died before :1874. That's awful. Why on earth didn't they disinter the remains and move them to a permanent location? That would be the standard practice in New England, though we certainly have our share of neglected and even abandoned cemeteries in this part of the country as well. Re ANDRUS/ANDREWS vs. MERRIAM: I noted again your information for a son Andros as I entered your data into the computer for future reference. I can only suggest that you thoroughly explore whether these Rebeccas might be the same woman. The Thomas I identified in my previous message, complete with Ethurel links, is so likely the male ancestor you're seeking that I think the Rebeccas are also the same person. I have only Rebecca Merriam's direct line, so I can't tell whether there are Andrus connections in the branches which might account for the use of this surname as a given name later on. Rebecca Merriam, born in 1765, had plenty of time for a brief first marriage to an ANDRUS/ANDREWS prior to marriage to Thomas Brooks in 1792. To that end I'll secure a lookup on your behalf in Pope's "Merriam Genealogy" to see if the Andrus surname appears in the index, and if so, if it's connected to any Rebeccas. After that, I'm afraid you're on your own, because I don't know what else I can do. Chris

Hi Chris & Cousins! Ive forwared what you have written so far on your search on Rebecca, to the other cousins who are researching my line also. Perhaps we may have an incorrect last name, perhaps you have found our answer to why we have not been able to get past Thomas & Rebecca. Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

On Mon, 13 May 2002 12:16:30 -0400, LORRAINE DEWYER wrote: :3. Thomas Jefferson b: 1808 Delaware Co,NY D: Jan :3rd,1886 Benzie Co, Michigan (Ive photographed his headstone so :have dates) :He married twice: 1st marriage was to Lovina Lapham they had 3 :children: Abram, Malvina & Phoebe Thomas 2nd :marriage:Maria/Mariah Edson They had 9 children: :Cook,Fitch,Melissa,Lydia,Jefferson Thomas,Amasa,Thural,John & :Martha. Ethurel/Ethural is a Cheshire line name, which I've only found three times. The first of these (1760 - 1777), a Revolutionary soldier killed at the battle of Saratoga in Oct 1777, was the son of Thomas Brooks/Mary Hotchkiss (who appear in the proposed line I append below). The second Ethurel, 1st cousin to the deceased soldier, was born a month after Saratoga and apparently named in honor of his cousin. The third Ethurel (b. 1781, Cheshire) was also a cousin, the son of Amasa/5 (another familiar given name) and Hope Benham, and removed to Dutchess County, NY (a familiar location). As I've previously posted, I think your Thomas is the Cheshire line man who, Jacobus records, married Rebecca MERRIAM in 1795. Why? -- The dates work. -- Thomas and Rebecca vanish from CT records after their marriage -- Their children's names are consistent with Cheshire origins -- An unattributed Cheshire line family history manuscript sent me by Jean McKee notes of this Thomas, "removed to the state of N.Y," which is where the bulk of the other Cheshire emigrants first went. -- Your Ethurel would thus be the grand-nephew of the Revolutionary soldier who died at Saratoga. -- Finally, between Jacobus, Barbour and Bailey, most of the men named Thomas of this line are more or less accounted for from cradle to grave (or at least through marriage), and there aren't many candidates left to play with. Only one of them can be proven to have married a Rebecca, and this is he. I don't know what evidence you have for Rebecca's surname being ANDRUS or ANDREWS. Carol Pullen-Reynolds and I hunted this weekend for a Rebecca Andrus in CT in the right time frame, and found nary a one other than the wife of one David Andrews -- and she died his widow, so she's not your Rebecca. As I've previously posted, we found no daughter Rebecca of Zadok Andrews and Ruth Brooks. Which isn't to say there wasn't one, but I'm personally inclined to go with the available evidence when the alternative is unsubstantiated. So I think your line is 5. Thomas (1766 --) + Rebecca MERRIAM (1765 --) 4. Thomas (1833 - 1801) + Mary HOTCHKISS (1740 - 1798) 3. Ens. Thomas (1706 --) + Desire BRISTOL (1707 --) 2. Lt. Thomas (1679 - 1732) + Martha HOTCHKISS (1683 - ca. 1755) 1. Henry (say 1639 - 1713) + Hannah POTTER, wid. Samuel BLAKESLEY Chris

Hello Cousins! The parentheses Chris are just that on Rebeccas last name, I have a habit of doing that. I will try to supply a little more information on Thomas & Rebeccas children, may help may not in the search. 1. Martha b: 1799 Delaware Co, NY d: 1873 Mentor,Lake Co, Ohio married Alva Cable 2. Samuel b: Delaware Co,NY d: Lake Co, Ohio married Eliazbeth Frances had at least 10 children: Burr, Rebecca,Ann Mariah,Emily,Marion,Alfred,Martha,William,Mary & Catherine 3. Thomas Jefferson b: 1808 Delaware Co,NY D: Jan 3rd,1886 Benzie Co, Michigan (Ive photographed his headstone so have dates) He married twice: 1st marriage was to Lovina Lapham they had 3 children: Abram, Malvina & Phoebe Thomas 2nd marriage:Maria/Mariah Edson They had 9 children: Cook,Fitch,Melissa,Lydia,Jefferson Thomas,Amasa,Thural,John & Martha. 4. Henry b: d:1883 Married twice: 1st Mary Barrett they had 4 children: Mary Ann, William,Charles, ? 2nd Mary Slitor they had 2 children: Lawrence & Eugene Isaac 5. Hugh b: 1812 Delaware Co,NY d: 1889 Lake Co, Ohio married Elizabeth Lapham They had 3 children: Lydia Rebecca,Frances & Sarah 6. Andros b: 1816 Delaware Co,NY d: 1903 Lake Co, Ohio Married Caroline Burns Had 3 children: DeForrest,Isabel & Antointte 7. Benajah b: 1811 Delaware Co,NY d: 1884 Lake Co, Ohio Married Minerva Beckwith 3 children: Helen,Hiram & Syvester 8. Isaac b: Lake Co,Ohio d; 1903 Lake Co, Ohio unclear if he was married twice In 1855 he was married to Nancy Pratt but in 1850 census for Lake Co,Oh he was listed with Roxy Stewart. I do have the information where Rebecca is buried, not proven yet if Thomas Sr is buried there also. Rebecca along with two grandchildren Alva Cable & Marian Cable are buried on Washington st which is now occupied by Havey High School in Lake Co, Ohio. The headstones were placed underground when the school was built. The stones were buried in 1874, so Rebecca must have died before 1874. Thanks, Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

After experimentation, I find the Brooks birth rrecords start with batch number 7540008. That's in the IGI, surname BROOKS, locale North America, on the Search tab at http://www.familysearch.org. Chris

Courtesy (again) of Cindy Walcott of VERMONT-L, here are IGI batch numbers for New Hampshire births in the IGI. See my post of a day or two ago with similar VT batch numbers for an explanation of how to use these. Chris ================================== I am also posting the NH batch numbers posted on the ETAnglo list by David Ellis (whose permission I also have!!) Here's the batch numbers for New Hampshire births. WARNING: NEW HAMPSHIRE INDEXES BY PSEUDO SOUNDEX. NOT ALPHABETICAL. ORDERED BY FIRST AND THIRD LETTER OF SURNAME. TRY ADJACENT BATCHES BEFORE AND AFTER TO ACCOMMODATE MIS-FILED RECORDS. Abair to Aldrich 7540001 Andervil to Allen 7540002 Allen to Beasie 7540003 Beaton to Brainard 7540004 Brainard to Bigalow 7540005 Bigalow to Ball 7540006 Ball to Bond 7540007 Bond to Brown 7540008 Brown to Barnett 7540009 Barnett to Berube 7540010 Berube to Bush 7540011 Bushey to Bourlet 7540012 Bourgoin to Chamberlain 7540013 Chamberlain to Clark 7540014 Clark to Chellis 7540015 Chellis to Call 7540016 Call to Collins 7540017 Collins to Connors 7540018 Connors to Cross 7540019 Cross to Carter 7540020 Carter to Cassidy 7540021 Cassidy to Cox 7540022 Cox to Dodge 7540023 Dodge to Demary 7540024 Demary to Dion 7540025 Dionn to Doucet 7540026 Douglas to Dow 7540027 Dow to Emerson 7540028 Emerson to Edmunds 7540029 Edmunds to Flanders 7540030 Flanders to French 7540031 French to Folsom 7540032 Folsom to Ferren 7540033 Ferrin to Fitch 7540034 Fitch to Gibson 7540035

Oops ... neglected in my previous message to provide the Wallingford/Cheshire lineage for this composite lady. 5. Ruth BROOKS (1776 --) + Zadok ANDREWS + ____ WEBSTER 4. Lt. Thomas (1738 - 1812) + Ruth ____ 3. Stephen (1703 - 1773) + Hannah BARNES 2. Lt. Thomas (1679 --) + Martha HOTCHKISS 1. Henry + Hannah Potter, wid. Samuel BLAKELY or BLAKESLEY Still no sign of a daughter Rebecca. Documented birthdates of the siblings as well as Zadok's death would probably restrict Rebecca's birth to the period 1799-1806. Chris

Based on the information which has been posted from Bailey, Barbour, Jacobus and NEHGR, I think this woman is probably the daughter of Lt. Thomas/4 Brooks and Ruth ____, whose baptism at Bristol, Hartford, CT is recorded by Jacobus 10 Nov 1776. Glastonbury, where a Ruth married Zadok Andrews, is also in Hartford County. Here's the identity theory: Ruth, daughter of Lt. Thomas and Ruth Brooks, was baptised 10 Nov 1776 at Bristol, CT. Probably the same who married, 1 Feb 1793 (Eastbury c.r.), Zadok ANDREWS, son of Benjamin ANDREWS and Anna __?__. He drowned in 1805. Daughter Ruth Webster was named in the probate of Lt. Thomas Brooks, circa 1813, indicating a 2d marriage if these be the same woman. Chris

Thanks to Carol Pullen-Reynolds, here's some more grist for the mill. References are to the New England Historic Genealogical Society Register. There's nothing here to support a Rebecca as a daughter of Zadok Andrews. While ANDROS (Andross) is a distinctive surname (cf. the royal governor who briefly and unsuccesfully tried to rule New England until his overthrow), ANDRUS appears to be nothing more than a variant spelling of ANDREWS. (If I'm wrong, please set me straight.) Chris ======================================== Records of the Church in Eastbury, CT Communicated by Miss Mary Kingsbury Talcott of Hartford, Conn from the manuscript copy owned by the CT Society of Colonial Dames. "Eastbury Society, in Glastenbury, was incorporated by the General Assembly of Connecticut in May, 1731. The church record of baptisms, marriages, etc. , from that date to 1768 is lost. " VOL 60, pg 377 "Dec 18 1769 Zadok, Son of Benjamin & Anna Andrews was Baptized. VOL 61, page 196 May 18, 1794 Lora, Son of Zadock & Ruth Andrus was Baptized" VOL 61, page 294 "May 7th 1797 Emula, Daughter of Zadock & Ruth Andrews was Baptized. " VOL 61, page 391 "Feb 1, 1793 Zadock Andrews & Ruth Brooks were married" INSCRIPTIONS AT GLASTONBURY CONN Communicated by Lucius Barnes Barbour, B. A. , of Hartford, Conn. EASTBURY CEMETERY VOL 86, page 158 "Zadock Andrews drowned at Prats Ferry Sept 27, 1805, in his 35th year. " VOL 86, page 157 "Charles Andrews died June 3, 1790, in his 80th year. Elizabeth, his wife died Aug 6, 1805 in her 90th year Prudence, their daughter, died Mar 31, 1797, in her 39th year. Charles Andrews died Nov 2, 1801 in his 58th year. Anne, his widow, died Mar 21, 1820 AE 72 Ira, their son, died June 25, 1787, in his 6th year David Andrews died Nov 26, 1826, AE. 72 Vol 86, page 158 Rebecca, his wife, died Mar 17, 1842 AE. 85 Children of David and Rebekah Andrews: David died Nov 7, 1872 AE. 3 weeks, 4 days Elijah died Oct 13, 1800, in his 16th year. Ellice, wife of Chester Andrews, died July 4, 1816, AE 34 Hannah, wife of David Andrews, 3d, died Aug 25, 1819, AE 22 Elisha Andrus died Mar 13, 1813, in his 84th year"

This is a little slow to load but here's the data: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~brooks/data/Barbour/Barbour.htm Also, if you use the RETURN TO INDEX FOR FACTS you will find some Church records for Glastonbury, etc. Carol Pullen-Reynolds

Forwarded courtesy of Cindy Walcott of VERMONT-L Chris ============================================= I am posting the following information, originally posted by David J. Ellis [[email protected]] on the Eastern Townships mailing list. These are instructions for accessing the BIRTHS from the Vermont Vital Records Index from 1760-1870, which are part of the IGI (International Genealogical Index) at http://www.familysearch.org-- along with a list of the relevent batch numbers. Mr. Ellis gave me permission to post to the Vermont List. At familysearch.org, I choose the Search tab. Then, on the left I select the International Genealogical Index. Once there, enter the last name, select North America for a region, and enter the proper batch number from the list below. You will get all of the entries for that surname. You can put the first name in too, if you want. Or, you can put the parent or parents' names in as search parameters. Very nice! The IGI can be a very good resource, if the entry is a transcription of a vital record. Please note that the Vermont Vital Records index is not complete. Lots of people simply didn't register births with the towns. And, not all of the town records made their way into the centralized index, created much later. Cindy Walcott Grand Isle, VT ============================================= Here's the list for Vermont. A - Adams, C. 7450001 Adams, D. - Adburt 7450002 Addams - Aldrich, M. 7450003 Aldrich, M. - Allen, C. 7450004 Allen, C. - Allyn, N. 7450005 Allyn O. - Andrus, A. 7450006 Andrus, A. - Asband 7450007 Ascraft - Austin, C. 7450008 Austin, C. - Ayer, M. 7450009 Ayer, N. - Bagley, C. 7450010 Bagley, C. - Baker, D. 7450011 Baker, E. - Baldwin, M. 7450012 Baldwin, M. - Banister 7450013 Bank - Barlow, C. 7450014 Barlow, C. - Barnum, H. 7450015 Barnum, I. - Bartholomew, B. 7450016 Bartholomew, B. - Bassett, F. 7450017 Bassett, G. - Bates, N. 7450018 Bates, N. - Beard, B. 7450019 Beard, B. - Belknap, P. 7450020 Belknap, P. - Bennett, E. 7450021 Bennett, E. - Berry, C. 7450022 Berry, C. - Billings, J. 7450023 Billings, J. - Bissel, B. 7450024 Bissel, C. - Blake, G. 7450025 Blake, G. - Bliffin 7450026 Blinn - Bliss, J. 7450027 Bliss, J. - Blotts 7450028 Blouchette - Boright 7450029 Boris - Bowker, M. 7450030 Bowker, M. - Bradford, M. 7450031 Bradford, M. - Breeman 7450032 Breen - Brigham, H. 7450033 Brigham, I. - Brooks, L. 7450034 Brooks, M. - Brown, E. 7450035 Brown, F. - Brown, M. 7450036 Brown, M. - Bruce, L. 7450037 Bruce, M. - Buck, S. 7450038 Buck, T. - Bump, P. 7450039 Bump. P. - Burnham, R. 7450040 Burnham, R. - Burroughs, M. 7450041 Burroughs, M. - Busteed 7450042 Buswell - Cabot, M. 7450043

In playing around with this line, as posted by Bryce and Lorraine, there are some fundamental discrepancies. The names are too early, I suspect, and the chronology doesn't work. Bryce has Thomas Brooks, b. ca. 1790, married to Rebecca Andrus, daughter of Zadok Andrus and Ruth Brooks of Glastonbury. We know that Zadok & Ruth were married in 1793. Let us suppose they had a daughter Rebecca five years later, in 1798. Let us then suppose that this Rebecca Andrus married in 1820, at the age of 22. She cannot have had a daughter Martha in 1799, as Lorraine posted. The naming of a son after President Thomas Jefferson tells us, at the least, an earliest-possible event for that date (based upon TJ's term of office). Names such as Benajah and Martha suggest that Lorraine's chronology is closer to the mark than Bryce's. Sorry, but you (Bryce and Lorraine) don't appear to be on the same page here. If I had to guess, and there isn't enough data to do anything more, I'd guess that Bryce has an extra generation in the line prior to the Thomas/Rebecca marriage. I think the key to beginning to unravel this is a birth record for Rebecca Andrus -- which would provide both a date and her parentage. Since her father was of Glastonbury, and her parents married there, that's the logical place to look first. Does anyone have the Barbour Collection records for Glastonbury? Lorraine, in your first several posts you identified Thomas's wife, and I quote, as "Rebecca (Andrus)." Do the parentheses you inserted indicated that this name is as yet unproven? Or were they just, well, parentheses for the sake of parentheses? :-) Chris

Hi Brooks Cousins! Cheshire Jean that was interesting that Thomas & Desire had a son named Amasa. As we know how the names carried down quite abit back then. Our Thomas Brooks son, Thomas Jefferson Brooks had a son named Amasa. Take care, Lorraine _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.