Christy, Would love to find Broadwater Matney's full name. Tradition has it as Carrol Broadwater & son in OR was a Jr. There's no proof on this. Samuel King Matney known as Tuledad is another that came to mind. Our Matneys called him uncle. He was orphaned as a child & raised by an uncle in Overton Co, TN, then Shelby Co, IL. I think the Matneys of Shelby Co, IL are related to us. Since Broadwater Matney was born 1778-88 VA the link to Broadwater surname is earlier than that, prob in VA. Another tradition story was he was born at sea & Broadwater could have something to do with that, either as location of his birth or the Capt of the ship, or a relative. Can reasearch the entire bit, but I've kept my eye out & found nothig yet. He most certainly was related to those of Pittsylvania Co, VA early on & probably name was Mattingly, Mattenlee. He signed a petition in Campbell Co, TN 1813, I think, that was transcribed as Mattenbee. I'm very interested in Cully Farris Matheny. Why not post what you have on him for clues the rest of us can research. Good luck on your search. Carol in WA In a message dated 10/8/99 1:21:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Christygen@aol.com writes: << I'm also still trying to find a link with Cully Farris Matheny. Do you think it is possible for Broadwater's middle initial to have been "S"? Since someone thought the father of Cully Farris might have been called Sims, I wondered if the reference to Broadwaters was just an error for Broadwater S. Would like your input on this. Thanks, Christy S. >>