This is a reply to the memo below from "Robin Dean" <[email protected]> ; it is being sent to the BROADHURST and LEICESTERSHIRE lists separately from the original reply because the original had an attachment that would not go through the list-server. So I will try to put it below in readable format, but some of the format may come unstuck. That's one of the difficulties with this sort of process, and fortunately for us it is offset by the advantages of wider communications. Those of you in LEI who are familiar with graves and monuments, your comments on my interpolations of what I think the abbreviations stand for are most welcome. I am not familiar with customs in UK but in colonial U.S. similar abbreviations were used apparently quite randomly, so I have some basis for my guesses. Robin : Many thanks for the information. I have tried to make sense of it, for my use anyway, so I have structured it differently so that it is easier for me to see the relationships. I also tried to make sense of the monument inscriptions by interpolating what I believe they say and to try to connect the relationships. Census of 1841 Macclesfield Frances Broadhurst (40) Mary Ann (20) Bolington Census of 1861 Macclesfield George Broadhurst (52) wife: Elizabeth (52) 99 Waters Green, Macclesfield George (24) John K (10) Charles Broadhurst (40) wife: Martha (38) 4, Turrock Street, Macclesfield John Broadhurst (26, Bricklayer) wife: Elizabeth (24, Silk Weaver) Quarry Cottage, Leadbeater Lane, Macclesfield Thomas (7) Harriett (2) Elizabeth (7 mos.) Sarah Broadhurst (63) (widow?) Ann (31) } George (23) } are these two husband and wife? Henry (2, grandson) - is this child of Ann and George? Census of 1871 Macclesfield Samuel Broadhurst (42, Plumber) wife: Mary (42) Bridge Street, Yeardsley Margaret (18) Hannah (16) Sam (12) Edward (10) Mary (6) Richard (4) Joseph (4 mths) Henry Broadhurst (38) wife: Mary Ann (34) Ernest (14) George H (12) Elizabeth (10) Mary Ann (8) Horace (4) Eliza (2) William Broadhurst (50, Accountant) wife: Ellen (50) 31 Waters Green, Macclesfield William (22) Fanny (19) Mary Ann (17) [*great great great grandmother of Robin Dean] John Broadhurst (50, Silk Worker) wife: Sarah (57) 117 Chester Road, Macclesfield Edwin (24) Fanny (22) Ralph (18) Sarah J (15) Isaac (13) Ind Broadhurst (46, Silk Weaver) wife: Mary Ann (44) 12 Armett Street, Macclesfield Ann (20) Charles Thomas (16) Charles Broadhurst (38) wife: Eliza (30) 14 Bread Street, Macclesfield Elizabeth (12) Charles (10) Thomas (7) James (1) Thomas Broadhurst (78) John Broadhurst (66) 246 Brampton Road, Macclesfield Joseph Broadhurst (49) wife: Emma (36) 16 Bread Street, Macclesfield Nancy (16) Mary (12) Joseph (9) Ester (Esther?) (6) Sarah Ann (2 mos.) **end of census*** Transcribed from monuments (Sutton): Hltbo [here lies the body of?] JAMES BROADHURST of Sutton wdtl [willingly departed this life?] January 27th 1795 a58y [age 58 years; b.abt 1737] / also MARTHA READ daughter of JAMES & SARAH BROADHURST dtl [departed this life] November 1 [yr?] a 28y [age 28 years] / also SARAH the wife otas [of the aforementioned spouse?] JAMES BROADHURST d. March 10th 1808 a68 [b. abt 1740] / also ELLEN wife of ROGER BROADHURST of Macclesfield wd [?] February 17th 1824 a57y [age 57 years; b. abt 1767] [Comment: Is it reasonable that Roger is the son of James and Martha, so that this grave holds the daughter in law, Ellen? This is clearly a family plot. Or could be sister in law, if Roger is brother of James. There is 27 years difference between Sarah and Ellen.] Here lyeth RALPH BROADHURST of Macclesfield wdtl [willingly departed this life] September 21st 1794 a53y [age 53 years; b.abt 1741] / also Mary wife otan [?] RALPH BROADHURST wdtl [willingly departed this life] October 20th 1838 a81y [age 81 years; b. abt 1767] JOHN BROADHURST dtl [departed this life] December 2nd 1778 a7m [age 7 months; b. 1778] RALPH BROADHURST wdtl [willingly departed this life] July 20th 1800 a14y [b. abt 1786] also THOMAS BROADHURST wdtl November 22nd 1800 a19y [b. abt 1781]. [Guess these are sons of one family] Hitro [Hltbo? Here lies the body of] SARAH wife of WILLIAM BROADHURST wdtl [willingly departed this life] September 2nd 1797 a63y [age 63 years; b.abt 1734 / also GEORGE son of ots [ota?] WILLIAM and SARAH BROADHURST wdtl June 17th 1791 a 25y [b. abt 1766] / also JAMES their son dtl [departed this life] August 26th 1792 a25y [b. abt 1767] / WILLIAM BROADHURST d 1st June 1809 in the 80th year of his age [b. abt 1729] / JOSEPH their son d March 7th 1817 a 53y [b. abt 1764] / WILLIAM the son of WILLIAM BROADHURST the younger and grandson ota [of the aforementioned?] WILLIAM BROADHURST died May 1st 1822 in the 23rd year of his age [b. abt 1799]. [Relationships of the preceding family appear to be: ] 1-William (1729-1809) m. Sarah (?) (1734-1797) 2-George (1766-1791) 2-James (1767-1792) 2-Joseph (1764-1817) 2-William (no info) 3-William (1799-1822) Hltbo [Here lies the body of] JOHN BROADHURST of Sutton wdtl [willingly departed this life] June 2nd 1826 a40y [b. abt 1786] MARY ANN daughter of JOHN & SARAH BROADHURST d May 10th 1815 a2y&15m [age 2 years 15? months?] also JAMES d October 15th 1815 a7m [age 7 months]. [Father buried with infant daughter and son] sttmo [?] JOSEPH BROADHURST of Macclesfield wdtl 2nd May 1852 [b. abt 1782] in the 70th year of his age / also JANE his wife wdtl 22nd July 1849 [b. abt 1788] in the 61st year of her age / also MARGARET McNEIL granddaughter ota wdtl [ of the aforementioned willingly departed this life ] 24th January 1852 a6y&6m [age 6 years and 6 months; b. abt 1845] / also ESTHER daughter ota / wdtl November 8th 1854 a28y. Since it is unlikely that I will get to England anytime soon (no plans anyway), I would be grateful if you would take another look at the census of 1881 and 1891 and 1851 for Broadhurst. That will surely help sort out who is related to whom, etc... How far is Macclesfield from Cheshire? Leicestershire? You comments about a "wet one" there in the Lakes district reminds me that it seems always wet there....but of course I speak from the viewpoint of sunny (and hot and muggy) Florida.... Thanks again.... Art Broadhurst "Robin Dean" <[email protected]> on 07/22/98 02:49:01 AM To: Art Broadhurst/HQ/UIMC cc: Subject: Broadhurst...in Macclesfield. Hello Art, I will send what I have please disregard any that is irrelevant, but I will send it all..... Census in Macclesfield ( I only did the rolls that I wanted so may not be complete of all Macc..and surrounding surrounding areas... 1871 Census. Samuel Broadhurst. 42 ( Plumber ) Mary 42 Margaret (18) Hannah (16) Sam (12) Edward (10 ) Mary (6) Richard (4 ) Joseph ( 4mths) Address : Bridge Street, Yeardsley with Whalley, Macc. -------------------------- Henry Broadhurst. 38 Mary Ann 34 Ernest (14 ) George H (12) Elizabeth (10 ) Mary Ann (8 ) Horace (4) Eliza (2) -------------------------- William Broadhurst 50 ( Accountant) Ellen 50 William (22) Fanny (19) Mary Ann (17 my gggm.) 31 Waters Green . Macc. -------------------------- John Broadhurst (50) Silk Worker Sarah (57) Edwin (24) Ralph (18) Isaac (13 ) Fanny (22) Sarah J (15) 117, Chester Road. Macc. ---------------------------- Ind Broadhurst 46 Silk Weaver Mary Ann 44. Ann (20) Charles Thomas (16) 12,Armett Street , Macc. --------------------------- Charles Broadhurst 38 Eliza 30 Elizabeth (12) Charles (10) Thomas (7) James (1) 14, Bread Street. Macc.' --------------------------- Thomas Broadhurst 78 John 66 246,Brampton Road , Macc. ---------------------------------- Joseph Broadhurst 49 Emma 36 Nancy (16) Joseph (9) Mary (12) Ester (6) Sarah Ann (2mths) 16, Bread Street, Macc. --------------------------------- 1861 Census. ------------------------------------------ George Broadhurst 52 Elizabeth 52 George (24) John K (10) 99, Waters Green. Macc. ------------------------------------------ Charles Broadhurst 40 Martha 38 4,Turrock Street, Macc. ------------------------------------------ John Broadhurst 26 Bricklayer Elizabeth 24 Silk Weaver Thomas (7) Harriett (2) Elizebeth (7mths) Quarry Cottage , Leadbeater Lane. Macc. ------------------------------------------ Sarah Broadhurst 63 Ann (31) George (23) Henry (2 grandson) ------------------------------------------ 1841 Census Frances Broadhurst 40 Mary Ann 20 Bollington ------------------------------------------- It appears that I did not look at Broadhursts in 1891 ,1881,or 1851 I was sure I did but it seems I didn't. The 1841 records were very hard to read. I need to go again to check the 91/81 census so if I go before you do I will have a look for Broadhursts. I do not think I had made the connection with Broadhurst when I looked at the 91/81 census which would explain it. ----------------------------------------- I found in my folders a number of print I did from the monumental inscriptions and found a couple from Sutton do not know if they are any of yours but you never know... ----------------------------------- Hltbo JAMES BROADHURST of Sutton / wdtl January 27th 1795 / a58y / also MARTHA READ / daughter of JAMES & SARAH BROADHURST / dtl November 1st / a28y / Also SARAH the wife otas JAMES BROADHURST / d March 10th 1808 / a68 / also ELLEN wife of ROGER BROADHURST / d March 10th 1808 / a 68y / also ELLEN wife of ROGER BROADHURST of Macclesfield / wd February 17th 1824 / a57y. ( I had copied this as written maybe you can understand it ? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Here lyeth / RALPH BROADHURST / of Macclesfield w / dtl September 21st 1794 a53y / also Mary wife otan RALPH BROADHURST / wdtl October 20th 1838 a81y. ----------------------------------------------------------------- JOHN ( ) BROADHURST dtl December / 2nd 1778 a7m / also RALPH BROADHURST / wdtl July 20th 1800 a 14y (verse ) also THOMAS BROADHURST / wdtl November 22nd 1800 a19y .? ( verse ) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hitro / SARAH wife of WILLIAM BROADHURST / wdtl September 2nd 1797 / a63y / also GEORGE son of ots WILLIAM and SARAH BROADHURST wd / tl June 17th 1791 a25y / also JAMES their son d / tl August 26th 1792 a25y / WILLIAM BROADHURST d 1st June 1809 in the 80th year of his age / JOSEPH their son d March 7th 1817 a53y / WILLIAM the son of WILLIAM BROADHURST the younger and grand son ota WILLIAM BROADHURST died May 1st 1822 in the 23rd year of his age. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hltbo JOHN BROADHURST of Sutton / wdtl June 2nd 1826 / a40y / MARY ANN daughter of JOHN & SARAH BROADHURST / d May 10th 1815 / a2y & 15m / also JAMES / d October 15th 1815 / a7m / ----------------------------------------------------------------- sttmo JOSEPH BROADHURST of Macclesfield w / dtl 2nd May 1852 in the 70th year of his age / also JANE his wife wdtl 22nd July 1849 in the 61st year of her age / also MARGARET McNEIL grand- daughter / ota wdtl / 24th January 1852 a6y & 6m / also ESTHER daughter ota /wdtl November 8th 1854 a28y. ----------------------------------------------------------------- I hope you can make sense of this Art, I would like to see what you have I have FTW... Regards Robin N Dean >From Ambleside in the English Lake District.. A wet one this morning... [email protected] http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~lakes Researching: Aus: Eagleton..Hennessy. Macclesfield: Chs : Dean.. Timperley Broadhurst..Beaver. Broadheath:Chs .Fox..Hulme..