[email protected] wrote: > > Subject: > > BROADHURST-D Digest Volume 97 : Issue 17 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: Announcment: RootsWeb Message ["David M. Leininger" <[email protected]] > #2 Re: BROADHURST-D Digest V97 #16 [scott peterson <[email protected]>] > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: Announcment: RootsWeb Message Archives, Changes Coming > Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 11:51:00 +0000 > From: "David M. Leininger" <[email protected]> > To: Judy Arnold <[email protected]> > CC: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] > > I like the Idea, I hpoe it works!!! > > daVe Leininger (Broaddus) > > Judy Arnold wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'm forwarded excerpts from a message listowners received from > > Karen Isaacson of RootsWeb yesterday. This is the first I've heard > > of this arrangement, so any of you listowner-members who may know > > more about the situation, please feel free to enlighten us. It > > seems that the archives of the lists are going to be put on > > webpages for any and all (at least RootsWeb members) to access. You > > may ask for archives for any list, even those to which you do not > > belong. Archives will not be available via e-mail. Lists may choose > > to have their archives on the web or not, but there can be no > > selective choosing (for instance, I won't be able to say that I > > don't want my ancestral lines included, but I would like ancestral > > lines included). We're all in this together. I can see positives > > and negatives about both. > > > > Will you please read the following information and let me know what > > your thoughts are on the matter? Remember, at least after the > > effective date, there will be little flexibility. We either all > > archive, list by list, or we don't archive at all. I am editing the > > message I got to save a little space. What do you think? > > > > Judy > > > > > > > >Marc and Brian and I have talked (using that ancient technology, > > >the telephone), and here's the current scoop on message archives for > > >RootsWeb mailing lists. It won't all take effect for a week or two, > > >so to the extent you want to survey the readers of your respective > > >mailing lists for their opinions, you'll have time. > > > > > >1. Once the new (web-based) system is on line, we will be turning > > off the > > >old (e-mail based) system of accessing archives. Experience has > > shown > > >that it is hard on the system (uses too many CPU cycles on large > > lists), > > >and hard on the user (difficult to understand, tricky syntax) and > > hard > > >on the system administrators > > > > Once the new tools are in place, this old horse > > >is going to be put out to pasture. (I know that not everyone has web > > >access -- you might want to have a few volunteers on each list who > > will > > >do lookups for those without web access.) > > > > > >2. So, what's the new web-based system to be? Evolving, for a start. > > >In the initial phases, for those lists that are participating, the > > >most recent messages will be available via the web in a threaded > > >format. (This is what Marc has been working on.) The older messages > > >(including the old Maiser archives) will be available via a clunky > > >search engine (like that used for ROOTS-L on > > http://searches.rootsweb.com). > > >(I've been working on this, at least, until I got diverted by all > > that > > >stuff up there in the first paragraph.) We hope to do two additional > > >things: find a new search engine that will index both the threaded > > and > > >unthreaded message bases, and as time allows, convert the unthreaded > > >message bases to threaded. There are some open issues here that we > > >haven't worked through yet, so it will be awhile, but that's the > > target. > > > > > >3. What about passwords? These have proven much more controversial > > >than I ever expected. I do understand (shoot, I pushed for them) why > > >they are useful and solve a lot of problems. The difficulty is that > > >they seem to introduce at least as many problems as they solve. Some > > >of which hit closer to home than I like. Anything that > > >requires more work from the system administration people is almost > > >guaranteed to be a non-starter, and passwords unfortunately fit that > > >criteria. Besides having to deal with people who can't remember > > passwords > > >or who type them in the wrong case, etc., there's also the problem > > >that to change a password will require manual intervention (we > > haven't > > >developed the software yet so the listowner could do so > > automatically), > > >and a password that is stable and never changed isn't much security. > > >If your archived messages need to be secure, a simple password won't > > >be enough to secure them. If your archive messages don't need to be > > >secure, then there's no need for a password. Bottomline: passwords > > >make more work, but add little additional security. So, no > > passwords, at > > >least not for now, probably never. > > > > > >4. Can you edit the archives? No, at least, not now. The tools > > >to let you do so aren't available, and the time for someone (me) to > > >do it for you is in too short of supply. Except for cases of > > >egregious copyright violation, death threats, etc, I won't be > > >available to edit your archives for you. I know this means there > > >will be some cruft, subscribe/unsubscribe commands, reposted digests, > > >spam, etc. For most lists, even with the cruft, the signal to noise > > >ratio will still be quite high. > > > > > >5. Does your list have to participate? No. If you don't want your > > >list included, go to the utility page for your mailing list, follow > > >the button at the bottom labelled "edit selected files" and add to > > your > > >reject list the address "[email protected]". (If you go to > > >your utility page, and you don't have a button like that at the > > >bottom, then and only then, write to [email protected] and ask > > >that the address [email protected] be added to the reject > > >list for your mailing list. Be sure to say what mailing list.) Note > > >that, if your list doesn't participate in the web-based archives, > > >there will be no access to your archives unless you make alternative > > >arrangements (for instance, through your ISP) to provide such. If > > you > > >decide you do want to set up your own message archive elsewhere, we > > >will zip up your old archives here (including the old messages from > > >Maiser, if any) and put them somewhere so you can FTP them. Not all > > >lists want archives (hi, Wally!): if that describes your list, just > > >opt out of the web-based archives, and voila!, you're set. > > > > > >6. What if you have a single hothead who doesn't want his/her > > messages > > >included? You have some options. a) You can simply not participate. > > >b) You can tell him/her tough, and go ahead and participate. c) > > You can > > >ask that we not include your material from before the cutover (see > > >below), and tell your hothead that anything he/she posts after the > > >cutover will be included. (For the third case, send a letter to > > >[email protected], etc. etc.) > > > > > >Target date for the cutover: 1 December 1997. That should provide > > time > > >for you to touch base with your listmembers (if you so desire), and > > >for us to further shakedown the scripts that will be used to make > > >all this happen. Marc's beta-test will probably be back online > > before > > >then. > > > > > >Karen > > > > > > > > > > > Judy Marshall Arnold - [email protected] > > My Favorite Bible Verses Page: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/1860/verses.html > > All in Good Time Genealogy Page: > > http://www.flash.net/~judyad/ > > ______________________________ > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: BROADHURST-D Digest V97 #16 > Date: Sat, 15 Nov 1997 11:16:07 -0600 > From: scott peterson <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > Subject: > > > > BROADHURST-D Digest Volume 97 : Issue 16 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 Alderson-Broaddus College [Edwin Broadus <[email protected]] > > #2 Announcment: RootsWeb Message Arch [Judy Arnold <[email protected]>] > > > > ______________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Alderson-Broaddus College > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:55:53 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Edwin Broadus <[email protected]> > > To: Broadhurst List <[email protected]> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 07:41:55 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Edwin Broadus <[email protected] > > > > Awhile back Judy Arnold raised a question about the Broaddus connected > > with Alderson-Broaddus College in West Virginia. I had previously sent an > > e-mail message to a person at the school, and yesterday I received a > > packet by regular mail. The Broaddus involved was William Francis > > Ferguson Broaddus. He apparently had nothing to do with the founding of > > the school other than being an inspiration and encouragement to a minister > > named E. J. Willis. Willis took over a school in Winchester, Va., called > > Winchester Institute, and the following year (1873) he renamed it Broaddus > > Female College, in honor of his friend, Wm. F. Broaddus. Later the school > > was moved to West Virginia and combined with Alderson Academy and Junior > > College. > > > > Broaddus himself had earlier mainted a boarding school at Middleburg, > > Virginia (prior to 1840). He opened another one, for women, in > > Fredericksburg Va., but this closed at the time of the Civil War. He > > moved then to Charlottesville, returning to Fredericksburg several years > > later, where he died. > > > > Broaddus was born about 1791 and died in September 1876. He was twice > > married, to Mary Ann Farrow and to Lucy Ann Fleet. His parents were > > Thomas Broaddus and Susannah Ferguson White. Thomas in turn was the son > > of William Broaddus and Catherine Gaines. William was the son of Edward > > Broaddus by his second marriage, to Mary Shipley. > > > > There is considerable material about William F. Broaddus in Andrew S. > > Broaddus' book, "The Broaddus Family." > > > > Ed Broadus > > > > ______________________________ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Subject: Announcment: RootsWeb Message Archives, Changes Coming > > Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 21:48:15 -0600 > > From: Judy Arnold <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], > > [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I'm forwarded excerpts from a message listowners received from > > Karen Isaacson of RootsWeb yesterday. This is the first I've heard > > of this arrangement, so any of you listowner-members who may know > > more about the situation, please feel free to enlighten us. It > > seems that the archives of the lists are going to be put on > > webpages for any and all (at least RootsWeb members) to access. You > > may ask for archives for any list, even those to which you do not > > belong. Archives will not be available via e-mail. Lists may choose > > to have their archives on the web or not, but there can be no > > selective choosing (for instance, I won't be able to say that I > > don't want my ancestral lines included, but I would like ancestral > > lines included). We're all in this together. I can see positives > > and negatives about both. > > > > Will you please read the following information and let me know what > > your thoughts are on the matter? Remember, at least after the > > effective date, there will be little flexibility. We either all > > archive, list by list, or we don't archive at all. I am editing the > > message I got to save a little space. What do you think? > > > > Judy > > > > > > > >Marc and Brian and I have talked (using that ancient technology, > > >the telephone), and here's the current scoop on message archives for > > >RootsWeb mailing lists. It won't all take effect for a week or two, > > >so to the extent you want to survey the readers of your respective > > >mailing lists for their opinions, you'll have time. > > > > > >1. Once the new (web-based) system is on line, we will be turning > > off the > > >old (e-mail based) system of accessing archives. Experience has > > shown > > >that it is hard on the system (uses too many CPU cycles on large > > lists), > > >and hard on the user (difficult to understand, tricky syntax) and > > hard > > >on the system administrators > > > > Once the new tools are in place, this old horse > > >is going to be put out to pasture. (I know that not everyone has web > > >access -- you might want to have a few volunteers on each list who > > will > > >do lookups for those without web access.) > > > > > >2. So, what's the new web-based system to be? Evolving, for a start. > > >In the initial phases, for those lists that are participating, the > > >most recent messages will be available via the web in a threaded > > >format. (This is what Marc has been working on.) The older messages > > >(including the old Maiser archives) will be available via a clunky > > >search engine (like that used for ROOTS-L on > > http://searches.rootsweb.com). > > >(I've been working on this, at least, until I got diverted by all > > that > > >stuff up there in the first paragraph.) We hope to do two additional > > >things: find a new search engine that will index both the threaded > > and > > >unthreaded message bases, and as time allows, convert the unthreaded > > >message bases to threaded. There are some open issues here that we > > >haven't worked through yet, so it will be awhile, but that's the > > target. > > > > > >3. What about passwords? These have proven much more controversial > > >than I ever expected. I do understand (shoot, I pushed for them) why > > >they are useful and solve a lot of problems. The difficulty is that > > >they seem to introduce at least as many problems as they solve. Some > > >of which hit closer to home than I like. Anything that > > >requires more work from the system administration people is almost > > >guaranteed to be a non-starter, and passwords unfortunately fit that > > >criteria. Besides having to deal with people who can't remember > > passwords > > >or who type them in the wrong case, etc., there's also the problem > > >that to change a password will require manual intervention (we > > haven't > > >developed the software yet so the listowner could do so > > automatically), > > >and a password that is stable and never changed isn't much security. > > >If your archived messages need to be secure, a simple password won't > > >be enough to secure them. If your archive messages don't need to be > > >secure, then there's no need for a password. Bottomline: passwords > > >make more work, but add little additional security. So, no > > passwords, at > > >least not for now, probably never. > > > > > >4. Can you edit the archives? No, at least, not now. The tools > > >to let you do so aren't available, and the time for someone (me) to > > >do it for you is in too short of supply. Except for cases of > > >egregious copyright violation, death threats, etc, I won't be > > >available to edit your archives for you. I know this means there > > >will be some cruft, subscribe/unsubscribe commands, reposted digests, > > >spam, etc. For most lists, even with the cruft, the signal to noise > > >ratio will still be quite high. > > > > > >5. Does your list have to participate? No. If you don't want your > > >list included, go to the utility page for your mailing list, follow > > >the button at the bottom labelled "edit selected files" and add to > > your > > >reject list the address "[email protected]". (If you go to > > >your utility page, and you don't have a button like that at the > > >bottom, then and only then, write to [email protected] and ask > > >that the address [email protected] be added to the reject > > >list for your mailing list. Be sure to say what mailing list.) Note > > >that, if your list doesn't participate in the web-based archives, > > >there will be no access to your archives unless you make alternative > > >arrangements (for instance, through your ISP) to provide such. If > > you > > >decide you do want to set up your own message archive elsewhere, we > > >will zip up your old archives here (including the old messages from > > >Maiser, if any) and put them somewhere so you can FTP them. Not all > > >lists want archives (hi, Wally!): if that describes your list, just > > >opt out of the web-based archives, and voila!, you're set. > > > > > >6. What if you have a single hothead who doesn't want his/her > > messages > > >included? You have some options. a) You can simply not participate. > > >b) You can tell him/her tough, and go ahead and participate. c) > > You can > > >ask that we not include your material from before the cutover (see > > >below), and tell your hothead that anything he/she posts after the > > >cutover will be included. (For the third case, send a letter to > > >[email protected], etc. etc.) > > > > > >Target date for the cutover: 1 December 1997. That should provide > > time > > >for you to touch base with your listmembers (if you so desire), and > > >for us to further shakedown the scripts that will be used to make > > >all this happen. Marc's beta-test will probably be back online > > before > > >then. > > > > > >Karen > > > > > > > > > > > Judy Marshall Arnold - [email protected] > > My Favorite Bible Verses Page: > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairie/1860/verses.html > > All in Good Time Genealogy Page: > > http://www.flash.net/~judyad/ > Judy I read what you sent and will have to have my husband read over > it. he know more about computer stuff than I do. We are looking on > info on the Judge Andrew S. Broaddus who was born in Caroline Co. Va., > and died in Texas. there was a note in your stuff about a book on the > Broaddus family sent in by Ed broaddus. Do you know anything about the > book? > thanks > Rhonda