Phew, thanks-some I knew but a lot I didn't...really appreciate the help. S On 11 March 2013 01:17, Linda Kelley <lkelley49@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, Sherry! > > This is just for you, and it's long! > > This might be Adolphe's arrival: > Name: Adolph Choiron > Port of Arrival: Dover, England > Arrival Date: 2 Mar 1846 > Port of Departure: Ostend, Belgium > Ship: Princess Alice > Country of Origin/Native of: France > > Let's look at the marriage: > > Name: Adolphe Cazimire Choiron > Age: Full Age > Spouse Name: Sarah Sackville > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 24 Oct 1853 > Parish: Langham > Borough: Westminster > Father Name: Adolphe Letrone Choiron > Spouse Father Name: James Sackville > Register Type: Parish Register > Adolphe was a Cabinet maker. His father was a Tinplate worker [deceased]. > James Sackville was a Shoemaker [deceased]. > They were married in the __Church of All Souls, and they lived in the > All Souls District. Witnesses were Gilbert Sackville and Fred? Minton. > > Possibly Sarah's birth: > Name: Sarah Sackville > Record Type: Baptism > Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1833 > Father's Name: James Sackville > Mother's name: Sarah Sackville > Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn > Borough: City of London > Register Type: Parish Registers > > Her sister, Jane: > Name: Jane Sackville > Record Type: Baptism > Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1827 > Father's Name: James Sackville > Mother's name: Sarah Sackville > Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn > Borough: City of London > Register Type: Parish Registers > > Ancestry "thinks" Jane married Eugene Guillaume, had Adele, Ann, > Isabella, Mary, Emile, Rose Augusta and William, and died in 1911. > > I see the marriage for their daughter in Paris: > Name: Adèleeaïde Emelie Jeanne Choiron > Marriage Bann Date: 20 nov. 1881 > Father's Name: Adolphe Choiron > Mother's name: Sarah Sackville > Spouse's Name: Eugène Levy > > So Adeleeaide apparently chose to become Jewish... > > Their other daughter: > Name: Julie Emma Joséphine Choiron > Marriage Bann Date: 3 avr. 1877 (3 Apr 1877) > Father's Name: Adolphe Casimie Choiron > Mother's name: Sarah Choiron > Spouse's Name: Fulgence Xavier Savate > > The same as this daughter? > > Name: Emma Julia Josephine Choiron > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1857 > Registration district: Pancras > Inferred County: London > Volume: 1b > Page: 113 (click to see others on page) > > The Thomas Family Tree owned by janard645 says Lydia was another daughter: > > Lydia Isobella Sarah Choiron > Birth 10 Jul 1862 in St Pancras, London, England > Death Oct 1914 in London, Middlesex, United Kingdom > > The Thomas Tree says Gilbert and Martha were Sarah Sackville's > parents, but they were probably her grandparents. Her father was > James. > > Their son was also named Adolphe Cazimer Choiron, born 24 Aug. 1854. > They lived at 13 Bayham Place, Camden Town. Adolphe was a Cabinet > Maker. The baptism was at the Lambeth General Lying In Hospital, > performed by J.R. or I.R. Baber on Aug. 30. > Rev. Barber performed 11 baptisms at that hospital that day. Adolphe > and Sarah might not have understood that their son was actually > baptized. > > Here's another baptism for the same son, three years later: > Name: Adolph Casimir Choiron > Record Type: Baptism > Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1857 > Father's Name: Adolph Casimir Choiron > Mother's name: Sarah Choiron > Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras > Borough: Camden > Register Type: Parish Registers > Adolph was born 24 Aug. 1854. > They lived at Little King St. South. Father was a Carpenter. > apparently Julia was baptized the same day. Julia was born 16 Dec. > 1856. > > > Gilbert Sackville, age 60 in 1841, was a Tailor living in All Souls > and Trinity. His wife was Margaret, 55, and children [grandchildren?] > at home were: > Jane, 14 > Sarah, 10 > Jane and Sarah were born in the same County [Middlesex], but Gilbert > and Margaret were not born in Middlesex. > > Maybe Gilbert was Sarah's grandfather? > > Here's a Gilbert who got married in 1860: > Name: Gilbert Sackville > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1860 > Registration district: Marylebone > Inferred County: London > Volume Number: 1a > Page Number: 531 (click to see others on page) > > He married Isabella Budd. > > Here's Isabella Budd, who married Gilbert Sackville in 1860, in > Langham, Westminster. Isabella's father was Charles Budd. Gilbert's > father was James Sackville. > Name: Isabella Budd > Spouse Name: Gilbert Sackville > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 23 Jan 1860 > Parish: Langham > Borough: Westminster > Father Name: Charles Budd > Spouse Father Name: James Sackville > Register Type: Parish Register > > Here they were in 1861: > Name: Isabella Sackville > Age: 50 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's Name: Gilbert Sackville > Gender: Female > Where born: Calne, Wiltshire, England > Civil parish: St Marylebone > Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew > County/Island: Middlesex > Country: England > Registration district: Marylebone > Sub-registration district: All Souls > ED, institution, or vessel: 3 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household schedule number: 410 > Piece: 66 > Folio: 108 > Page Number: 62 > Household Members: > Name Age > Gilbert Sackville 82 [It might say 52.] Tailor. Born in Northumberland, Alnwick > Isabella Sackville 50 Born in Witts, Calne > Their address looks like 22 Wicks [or Wells] Mews. > > Here is a death for Gilbert Sackville in 1868. It has his age as 89,. > > Name: Gilbert Sackville > Record Type: Death > Estimated Death Date: 1868 > Age: 89 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1779 > Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Marylebone > Borough: Westminster > Register Type: Parish Register > He died in Ward 20B of the Workhouse Nov. 23, 1868, and was buried by > the Workhouse. > Gilbert had entered the Workhouse 11 April 1864. > Isabella Sackville entered the Workhouse 16 June 1865, and died in > London Dec. 22, 1868. She was buried by McDix [possibly McDickens, 114 > Cleveland St.] > > Here's a James Sackville who married in 1840: > Name: James Sackville > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1840 > Registration district: Pancras > Inferred County: London > Volume Number: 1 > Page Number: 241 (click to see others on page) > Either: > Eleanor Beetson > Ruth New > > or this Marriage registry: > Name: James Sackville > Age: Full Age > Spouse Name: Eliza Luck > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 18 Jan 1840 > Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel > Borough: Camden > Father Name: Galvert Sackville [Gilbert] a Tailor > Spouse Father Name: Wm Quinlon [Dead] > Register Type: Parish Register > James was a Widower, a Shoe Maker, who resided in ? > > A death at the same time: ??? > Name: James Sackville > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1840 > Registration district: Marylebone > Inferred County: London > Volume: 1 > Page: 146 (click to see others on page) > > There was a Lord Sackville who was a big shot. His wife was Elizabeth, > and they lived in Knole House in Sevenoaks, West Kent in 1881. Lord > Sackville was born about 1821. He was probably Mortimer > Sackville-west, a Baron, and Elizabeth was probably Elizabeth Faber. > > Name: Elizabeth Faber > Gender: Female > Birth Date: abt 1841 > Age: 32 > Father's Name: Charles Wilson Faber > Spouse's Name: Mortimer Sackville-West > Spouse's Age: 52 > Spouse's Father's Name: George John Sackville-West > Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1873 > Marriage Place: Northaw, Hertfordshire, England > > There was a Sackville Gallery, fine Arts Dealers, at 28 Sackville St. in 1907- > There was a Sackville Laundry at 47 Brook gn. [Green?] in 1907. > > Another James Sackville b. 1806 in England, came to Ontario Canada by 1861: > Name: James Sackville > Age: 65 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 > Gender: Male > Birth Place: England > Residence District: Northumberland West > Residence Location: Hamilton Township > Ethnic Origin: English > Religion: Church of Christ > Occupation: Farmer & Sawyer > Division: 3 > Microfilm Roll: C-9983 > Page: 1 > Head of Household Comment: This person is listed as a head of household. > > His death: > Name: James Sackville > Death Date: 10 Apr 1879 > Death County or District: Northumberland > Age: 73 > Gender: Male > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 > Birth Location: England > > Linda Wolfe Kelley > Portland, OR > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. 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