Dear B.Jers Many of you have taken up my cause and I'm grateful to all. One of your number is Angela and at her suggestion I'm going to include in this email a cut and paste from a note she has sent me. She sent me the following and as you see she advises me to keep you updated. " Now for some really exciting news! I knew I ought to have it somewhere and now I have found it - here is Daniel Joel's marriage at the New Synagogue NSM 650a M 1819 [Mar 18] COHEN Elizabeth [Beila bat Mr. Shlomeh] JOEL D[aniel] Dov b. Jacob So you now have the family name for Daniel's wife. With a name like COHEN it will be difficult to take this line further back (!!!) but there may be someone out there who has researched this line who could help. Since Daniel Joel's son Jacob was born c 1825, that suggests that Jacob Joel senior died sometime before that. Although it isn't an absolute rule that a grandfather would have been dead for a grandchild to have been named for him, if often is a clue I have not copied this to the list, but you might want to let them have this new information as it may help someone to help you - which is what the list is all about" My best to all, Ray