>Considering my last name is JOEL, I'll check my records to see if I > have anything.< Caveat for Joel researchers: There were two more or less contemporaneous Daniel Joels. Since Ray's was alive in 1841, he is evidently not the Daniel Joel Hardwareman of Houndsditch , died City of London Date 23 August 1822, but, as far as I can tell, the Daniel Joel who died 1880 age 92 Angela