Dear Ray, I have several entries for the name Jacob Joel on my database. They are from the Old Bailey and the London Gazette. The Old Bailey records are from 1769 and 1788 (ref. t17690510-41 & t17780115-10) and the Gazette for May 1813 (ref 16728). The latter Jacob Joel was living in Newport and was a jeweller, shopkeeper dealer and chapman. David Alexander Puycelsi France (ex Melbourne) Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Zalig Hart, JOELS and the COHENS NSM 650a M 1819 [Mar 18] COHEN Elizabeth [Beila bat Mr. Shlomeh] JOEL D[aniel] Dov b. Jacob Since Daniel Joel's son Jacob was born c 1825, that suggests that Jacob Joel senior died sometime before that. Although it isn't an absolute rule that a grandfather would have been dead for a grandchild to have been named for him, if often is a clue ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.