Hello Listers Perhaps someone can help me solve a long-standing question. I am trying to verify a time of arrival in England for an ancestor Heinrich (aka Henry) SAMUEL/S. Heinrich was born around 1817 in Germany. He married (date of marriage not known) a Chanah (aka Hanna/Hannah)SCHELINSKI , born 1834. They emigrated to England but we don't know if it was before or after marriage. Their eldest child, Fanny Eva SAMUEL/S was born in 1852. I am trying to obtain a birth certificate for Fanny Eva. They went on to have 4 more children Louis (1854), Joseph (1861), Leah (1863) and Rachel (1867). We have all the information about the marriages etc of Fanny Eva and all her siblings but determining where and when Fanny Eva was born would be marvellous. Fanny Eva married Abraham Rose in the Hambro Synagogue in 1872 and we have the ketubah. Any suggestions? I wondered if the book recently published by Harold Pollins might have this birth registered. Many thanks Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia

Naomi If you look at the 1861 census, a very badly transcribed Fanny Samuels says, Deu Natur BS, which leads me to believe she may have been born in Germany. Louis Samuels was born in Middlesex so perhaps the family came to London between the two birth dates. If you would like any further information from the 1861 census please contact me off line. Thanks Debbie Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides