Nothing is black and white. My aunt married "in" to a nasty Jewish man who gambled and abused and cheated on her. My grandparents told her if she married this man, she was dead to them and they sat shiva for her as if she were dead. A year later, she left the man, she was welcomed back into my grandparents' house with open arms. As an aside and maybe as atonement (smile), they continued living together for the next 35 years or so even after my aunt remarried and had a family. This was in the 20th century. Jackye in Carlsbad after a nice rain > Idly speculating on whether Alice would have known her great grandchildren > (they all > lived in London and not too far apart), or Sophia and Maria would > have known their great nephews and great nieces (amongst whom was my > grandfather) I now understand that this was very unlikely as when > someone 'married out' the service of the dead would be read and from > that time onward they would be dead to their religion and to their > family. > Best wishes > > Rosemary > > (in grey and drizzly North Yorkshire) > > Researching WOOLF, JEWELL, MORDECAI