Lesley, (and anyone else who wants to help solve a puzzle and has access to the 1851 census) Could you check that census entry for Phoebe Lazarus again and see if the place of birth for Nancy (Wife) could be Redruth ? Or is it Plymouth ? Or does " [??] ruth " refer to something else altogether ? As far as I know, S.J. and sister Nancy were born in Exeter and wife Nancy and Phoebe were born in Plymouth. (For one delirious moment, I thought I had a clue to the place of origin of "sister's" mother, about whom I know nothing, but who is also my ancestor.) Eve - > 29 Tinter [?] St West > Goodmans Fields > Whitechapel > > Samuel Joyful [?] LAZARUS Head Marr 27 Optician employing 1 man Devonshire, > E[xet]er > Nancy LAZARUS Wife marr bn Devonshire [??] ruth > Julia LAZARUS Daughter aged 3 Born Devon (same place as Nancy) > Nancy LAZARUS Sister 30 Born Devon [same place as wife Nancy] > PHOEBE LAZARUS Sister 9 Bn Devon, Plymouth > Eliza HOONEY [sp] Serv Un 21 General Serv Bn Ireland >