Thanks for that information Susan. I have Daniel Morris RUBENSTEIN'S birth certificate. It shows that he was born on 25th February 1883 and that his father was Barnett RUBENSTEIN, a tailor, and his mother was Sophia RUBENSTEIN formerly ABRAHAMS. I wonder whether using the expression 'formerly' rather than just ABRAHAMS meant that she was born STRAUSS and was previously married. I will explore the DANIEL leads, though I thought that I had visited Sheila in 1970, but of course 40 years on and my mind may be playing games on me. I plead ignorance of Ken Gompertz. Does anyone know if anyone is carrying on with his work? At this point I have to say how very grateful I am to the many people who have gone out their way to assist with this quest. Many have written to me off the list. It makes this whole genealogy exercise even more worthwhile. That and the finding more distant relations and connecting with them wherever they now live. So again a big toda raba to all concerned, including of course Susan. Ian Ian Samuel Melbourne Australia Researching:ALTMAN/BOJARSKY/EFRON/GLOGOWSKI/HYAMS/NATHAN /ROCKMAN/SAMUEL(S)/SLONIM/SOLOMONS/TOBIAS