Dear All Is anyone researching the Ostroff families who were in the East End of London at least in the late 1890's onwards. I have a fair bit of information and am trying to connect them all. Thanks Naomi Ogin Brisbane

I'm trying to find records of my great grandfather who I have been told by my mother was born James Ambrose JACOBS c1849 Lambeth but preferred to be called Ambrose. I have not been able to find a birth in that name but have found an Ambrose Jabez Jacobs born in 1848 Lambeth. Could this be the same person ie is James an anglicised form of Jabez cheers Sheila

Possible marriage: In 1809 Francois LAURENT (not Laurin, but pretty close) married Marie Henriette CHOURIN. Francois's father was Francois Laurent and his mother was Ursula SERY. Marriage 3 June 1809. I cannot find the corresponding information for the bride's parents! (Ancestry.com). Barbara Zimmer > when I get time and see if Alfred is lurking there. I > was unsure whether CHOIRON was her surname or first name. In France > it's more normal to have married women enumerated under their maiden > name >> >> I found another CHOIRON in the 1851 census -- a 75 year old woman, who was also born in France (no first name given).. She was the grandmother of the head of the family, Alfred LAURIN. Alfred and his immediate family were all born in France, and were employed in "dining rooms" . The family grouping includes a number of other individuals who are waiters, many of them also from France. They lived at 51 Gracechurch in St Benet Gracechurch (civil parish) in London. >> >> >> Alfred Laurin 36 >> Cecile Laurin 34 >> Cecile Laurin 19 >> Chourin Choirin 75 >

It's not just me, but the 'experts' all recommend Gmail. 10Gb capacity free as far as I remember, IMAP or POP3 and most importantly a form of dual key authentication so that if anyone tired to log in from a new location [IP address] or computer a code is texted to your mobile and this this to be entered to log in. Cheers, Colin On 12 Mar 2013, at 07:01, british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 15:16:52 -0000 > From: "Marianne" <mar.ros@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Recent Spam Problems > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <5A55D71A63DA45CFA71B51C47F1AE120@maz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > That is the problem with BT, you have to have a Yahoo account as well !! > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jewish Admin" <Jewish@slanda.fsnet.co.uk> > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 7:44 AM > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Recent Spam Problems > > Yes, that is wonderful when early next month Sky is changing to Yahoo > mail without allowing us to chose whether we want to or not. > > Sherry Landa (Oxford) > > All are from Yahoo addresses. An IT person >> said Yahoo is particularly susceptible to addresses being hijacked because >> they don't have good security. > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:06:16 -0000 > From: "Josev King" <jking44@ntlworld.com> > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Recent Spam Problems > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001201ce1e93$e54ce250$afe6a6f0$@com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Wouldnt it just be easier ..to set up a hotmail account ? > > Just a thought > > Josev > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:58:17 +0000 > From: Andrew Jolly <asjolly@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Recent Spam Problems > To: "british-jewry@rootsweb.com" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <FA56E423-F410-455F-BE14-E7AF44463E4E@btinternet.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > One if the most hacked email providers? I don't think so! It's all down to good housekeeping. > > -- > Sent from my mobile so message may be brief! > > On 11 Mar 2013, at 20:06, "Josev King" <jking44@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Wouldnt it just be easier ..to set up a hotmail account ? >> >> Just a thought >> >> Josev

Dear Becca, I am one of the many third-great grandgrandsons of Samuel Jacobs. Unfortunately, all I know about Samuel's father is is his given name and, like you, I would love to know more. What is your interest in Joseph and what information do you have about him? Chris On 11/03/2013 15:00, Becca Gauldie wrote: > Does anyone know the spouse of the Joseph Jacobs who had a son called Samuel (born London 1783 died Birmingham 1863) or any other children of Joseph? > > I don't need any details of Samuel's spouse and family, I have all that. It is his siblings I am particularly interested in and whether any male children had the initial "L" > > Best wishes and thanks, > Becca > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Chris Newall EMail : chris@rebus.demon.co.uk Ealing, London, W5 Website: http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/

Thanks. At the moment I can't prove the link but will go to genealogie.com when I get time and see if Alfred is lurking there. I was unsure whether CHOIRON was her surname or first name. In France it's more normal to have married women enumerated under their maiden name (apart it seems in Marseille where they weren't unless the surname and the maiden name of the women I recently found was the same)! Complications, complications and a busy working week, frustrating. Thanks again, S On 12 March 2013 02:49, Barbara Zimmer <bravoz@cox.net> wrote: > > I found another CHOIRON in the 1851 census -- a 75 year old woman, who was also born in France (no first name given).. She was the grandmother of the head of the family, Alfred LAURIN. Alfred and his immediate family were all born in France, and were employed in "dining rooms" . The family grouping includes a number of other individuals who are waiters, many of them also from France. They lived at 51 Gracechurch in St Benet Gracechurch (civil parish) in London. > > > Alfred Laurin 36 > Cecile Laurin 34 > Cecile Laurin 19 > Chourin Choirin 75 > > > Barbara Zimmer > > Norfolk Virginia US > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well one solution would be not to use any cloud email programs such as gmail, yahoo or hotmail, etc, etc.. I use Eudora, an industry standard program. All my emails are in my laptop and the people and organizations I frequently am in contact with have their own filtered in/out boxes. If there are any power outages, I can still access all my emails. Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England now Folsom, CA Searching for: FRANKEL: Plock, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England Pinkus, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA

One if the most hacked email providers? I don't think so! It's all down to good housekeeping. -- Sent from my mobile so message may be brief! On 11 Mar 2013, at 20:06, "Josev King" <jking44@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Wouldnt it just be easier ..to set up a hotmail account ? > > Just a thought > > Josev > > > > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I found another CHOIRON in the 1851 census -- a 75 year old woman, who was also born in France (no first name given).. She was the grandmother of the head of the family, Alfred LAURIN. Alfred and his immediate family were all born in France, and were employed in "dining rooms" . The family grouping includes a number of other individuals who are waiters, many of them also from France. They lived at 51 Gracechurch in St Benet Gracechurch (civil parish) in London. Alfred Laurin 36 Cecile Laurin 34 Cecile Laurin 19 Chourin Choirin 75 Barbara Zimmer Norfolk Virginia US

Wouldnt it just be easier ..to set up a hotmail account ? Just a thought Josev

That is the problem with BT, you have to have a Yahoo account as well !! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jewish Admin" <Jewish@slanda.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 7:44 AM To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Recent Spam Problems Yes, that is wonderful when early next month Sky is changing to Yahoo mail without allowing us to chose whether we want to or not. Sherry Landa (Oxford) All are from Yahoo addresses. An IT person > said Yahoo is particularly susceptible to addresses being hijacked because > they don't have good security. Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If the Budd bit is new/of interest, they are coincidentally related to me! B

Does anyone know the spouse of the Joseph Jacobs who had a son called Samuel (born London 1783 died Birmingham 1863) or any other children of Joseph? I don't need any details of Samuel's spouse and family, I have all that. It is his siblings I am particularly interested in and whether any male children had the initial "L" Best wishes and thanks, Becca

Yes, that is wonderful when early next month Sky is changing to Yahoo mail without allowing us to chose whether we want to or not. Sherry Landa (Oxford) All are from Yahoo addresses. An IT person > said Yahoo is particularly susceptible to addresses being hijacked because > they don't have good security.

Phew, thanks-some I knew but a lot I didn't...really appreciate the help. S On 11 March 2013 01:17, Linda Kelley <lkelley49@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, Sherry! > > This is just for you, and it's long! > > This might be Adolphe's arrival: > Name: Adolph Choiron > Port of Arrival: Dover, England > Arrival Date: 2 Mar 1846 > Port of Departure: Ostend, Belgium > Ship: Princess Alice > Country of Origin/Native of: France > > Let's look at the marriage: > > Name: Adolphe Cazimire Choiron > Age: Full Age > Spouse Name: Sarah Sackville > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 24 Oct 1853 > Parish: Langham > Borough: Westminster > Father Name: Adolphe Letrone Choiron > Spouse Father Name: James Sackville > Register Type: Parish Register > Adolphe was a Cabinet maker. His father was a Tinplate worker [deceased]. > James Sackville was a Shoemaker [deceased]. > They were married in the __Church of All Souls, and they lived in the > All Souls District. Witnesses were Gilbert Sackville and Fred? Minton. > > Possibly Sarah's birth: > Name: Sarah Sackville > Record Type: Baptism > Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1833 > Father's Name: James Sackville > Mother's name: Sarah Sackville > Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn > Borough: City of London > Register Type: Parish Registers > > Her sister, Jane: > Name: Jane Sackville > Record Type: Baptism > Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1827 > Father's Name: James Sackville > Mother's name: Sarah Sackville > Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn > Borough: City of London > Register Type: Parish Registers > > Ancestry "thinks" Jane married Eugene Guillaume, had Adele, Ann, > Isabella, Mary, Emile, Rose Augusta and William, and died in 1911. > > I see the marriage for their daughter in Paris: > Name: Adèleeaïde Emelie Jeanne Choiron > Marriage Bann Date: 20 nov. 1881 > Father's Name: Adolphe Choiron > Mother's name: Sarah Sackville > Spouse's Name: Eugène Levy > > So Adeleeaide apparently chose to become Jewish... > > Their other daughter: > Name: Julie Emma Joséphine Choiron > Marriage Bann Date: 3 avr. 1877 (3 Apr 1877) > Father's Name: Adolphe Casimie Choiron > Mother's name: Sarah Choiron > Spouse's Name: Fulgence Xavier Savate > > The same as this daughter? > > Name: Emma Julia Josephine Choiron > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1857 > Registration district: Pancras > Inferred County: London > Volume: 1b > Page: 113 (click to see others on page) > > The Thomas Family Tree owned by janard645 says Lydia was another daughter: > > Lydia Isobella Sarah Choiron > Birth 10 Jul 1862 in St Pancras, London, England > Death Oct 1914 in London, Middlesex, United Kingdom > > The Thomas Tree says Gilbert and Martha were Sarah Sackville's > parents, but they were probably her grandparents. Her father was > James. > > Their son was also named Adolphe Cazimer Choiron, born 24 Aug. 1854. > They lived at 13 Bayham Place, Camden Town. Adolphe was a Cabinet > Maker. The baptism was at the Lambeth General Lying In Hospital, > performed by J.R. or I.R. Baber on Aug. 30. > Rev. Barber performed 11 baptisms at that hospital that day. Adolphe > and Sarah might not have understood that their son was actually > baptized. > > Here's another baptism for the same son, three years later: > Name: Adolph Casimir Choiron > Record Type: Baptism > Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1857 > Father's Name: Adolph Casimir Choiron > Mother's name: Sarah Choiron > Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras > Borough: Camden > Register Type: Parish Registers > Adolph was born 24 Aug. 1854. > They lived at Little King St. South. Father was a Carpenter. > apparently Julia was baptized the same day. Julia was born 16 Dec. > 1856. > > > Gilbert Sackville, age 60 in 1841, was a Tailor living in All Souls > and Trinity. His wife was Margaret, 55, and children [grandchildren?] > at home were: > Jane, 14 > Sarah, 10 > Jane and Sarah were born in the same County [Middlesex], but Gilbert > and Margaret were not born in Middlesex. > > Maybe Gilbert was Sarah's grandfather? > > Here's a Gilbert who got married in 1860: > Name: Gilbert Sackville > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1860 > Registration district: Marylebone > Inferred County: London > Volume Number: 1a > Page Number: 531 (click to see others on page) > > He married Isabella Budd. > > Here's Isabella Budd, who married Gilbert Sackville in 1860, in > Langham, Westminster. Isabella's father was Charles Budd. Gilbert's > father was James Sackville. > Name: Isabella Budd > Spouse Name: Gilbert Sackville > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 23 Jan 1860 > Parish: Langham > Borough: Westminster > Father Name: Charles Budd > Spouse Father Name: James Sackville > Register Type: Parish Register > > Here they were in 1861: > Name: Isabella Sackville > Age: 50 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 > Relation: Wife > Spouse's Name: Gilbert Sackville > Gender: Female > Where born: Calne, Wiltshire, England > Civil parish: St Marylebone > Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew > County/Island: Middlesex > Country: England > Registration district: Marylebone > Sub-registration district: All Souls > ED, institution, or vessel: 3 > Neighbors: View others on page > Household schedule number: 410 > Piece: 66 > Folio: 108 > Page Number: 62 > Household Members: > Name Age > Gilbert Sackville 82 [It might say 52.] Tailor. Born in Northumberland, Alnwick > Isabella Sackville 50 Born in Witts, Calne > Their address looks like 22 Wicks [or Wells] Mews. > > Here is a death for Gilbert Sackville in 1868. It has his age as 89,. > > Name: Gilbert Sackville > Record Type: Death > Estimated Death Date: 1868 > Age: 89 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1779 > Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Marylebone > Borough: Westminster > Register Type: Parish Register > He died in Ward 20B of the Workhouse Nov. 23, 1868, and was buried by > the Workhouse. > Gilbert had entered the Workhouse 11 April 1864. > Isabella Sackville entered the Workhouse 16 June 1865, and died in > London Dec. 22, 1868. She was buried by McDix [possibly McDickens, 114 > Cleveland St.] > > Here's a James Sackville who married in 1840: > Name: James Sackville > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1840 > Registration district: Pancras > Inferred County: London > Volume Number: 1 > Page Number: 241 (click to see others on page) > Either: > Eleanor Beetson > Ruth New > > or this Marriage registry: > Name: James Sackville > Age: Full Age > Spouse Name: Eliza Luck > Record Type: Marriage > Event Date: 18 Jan 1840 > Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel > Borough: Camden > Father Name: Galvert Sackville [Gilbert] a Tailor > Spouse Father Name: Wm Quinlon [Dead] > Register Type: Parish Register > James was a Widower, a Shoe Maker, who resided in ? > > A death at the same time: ??? > Name: James Sackville > Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1840 > Registration district: Marylebone > Inferred County: London > Volume: 1 > Page: 146 (click to see others on page) > > There was a Lord Sackville who was a big shot. His wife was Elizabeth, > and they lived in Knole House in Sevenoaks, West Kent in 1881. Lord > Sackville was born about 1821. He was probably Mortimer > Sackville-west, a Baron, and Elizabeth was probably Elizabeth Faber. > > Name: Elizabeth Faber > Gender: Female > Birth Date: abt 1841 > Age: 32 > Father's Name: Charles Wilson Faber > Spouse's Name: Mortimer Sackville-West > Spouse's Age: 52 > Spouse's Father's Name: George John Sackville-West > Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1873 > Marriage Place: Northaw, Hertfordshire, England > > There was a Sackville Gallery, fine Arts Dealers, at 28 Sackville St. in 1907- > There was a Sackville Laundry at 47 Brook gn. [Green?] in 1907. > > Another James Sackville b. 1806 in England, came to Ontario Canada by 1861: > Name: James Sackville > Age: 65 > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 > Gender: Male > Birth Place: England > Residence District: Northumberland West > Residence Location: Hamilton Township > Ethnic Origin: English > Religion: Church of Christ > Occupation: Farmer & Sawyer > Division: 3 > Microfilm Roll: C-9983 > Page: 1 > Head of Household Comment: This person is listed as a head of household. > > His death: > Name: James Sackville > Death Date: 10 Apr 1879 > Death County or District: Northumberland > Age: 73 > Gender: Male > Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 > Birth Location: England > > Linda Wolfe Kelley > Portland, OR > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ifyou remember, in august i was hacked and now cant get back my yahoo and had a very time getting back my BT internet. I was on the way to hospital when it happened and my sons's firm managed to put it straight with great difficulty. I still cant get e mail on BT internet when i use another computer. so do be careful. louise -----Original Message----- From: Jackye Sullins Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:31 PM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Recent Spam Problems This is posted on behalf of Nancy Goldberg - nancygoldberg05@ca.rr.com. Several times this week, I have received spam messages supposedly from British-Jewry. I have also received such messages supposedly from a cousin, and supposedly from a friend. All are from Yahoo addresses. An IT person said Yahoo is particularly susceptible to addresses being hijacked because they don't have good security. Per Jackye, 3 of the 4 recent Brit-Jewry spams had Yahoo addresses; she also mentioned AOL. If you have a Yahoo or AOL address, you may want to pressure them to step up security, or consider changing providers. Nancy Goldberg Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Again, Eve There is another born 1816, who gives birth place as Prussia & is living in City of London, North East. I don't have a full sub at the moment, so cannot look further into it, but maybe someone can. Regards Lyn A Melting in NZ -----Original Message----- From: Eve Richardson Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:34 PM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Joseph Marks - 1851 census check I'm trying to find more info about my gr gr grandfather, Joseph Marks, born about 1819. My earliest info on him is from his marriage to Nancy Lazarus in London in 1856, when he is an Oxford jeweler. They appear in the 1861 census in Oxford and his place of birth is given as Mallaua, Poland, which I tentatively interpret as Mlawa, Poland. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eve, The two born 1817 & living in Stoke Damerel, were born in Plymouth & Blatey. There are two listed as born 1819, but their birthplaces are listed as St Just & Arley. Not much help to you, sadly. Regards Lyn A Melting in NZ. -----Original Message----- From: Eve Richardson Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 6:34 PM To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Joseph Marks - 1851 census check I'm trying to find more info about my gr gr grandfather, Joseph Marks, born about 1819. My earliest info on him is from his marriage to Nancy Lazarus in London in 1856, when he is an Oxford jeweler. They appear in the 1861 census in Oxford and his place of birth is given as Mallaua, Poland, which I tentatively interpret as Mlawa, Poland. I have no idea when Joseph came to England. A certain big genealogy site lists two Joseph Marks, born about 1817, residing in Devon (Nancy was from Exeter) in the 1851 census. I'd like to know if either were born in Poland, or indeed if there is any Joseph Marks born circa 1819 in Poland in the 1851 census. If some kind soul would check these for me - I'm sure I have in the past, but I'd like to recheck them - I'd be very grateful. Joseph doesn't seem to have been naturalized, so no joy there. In the 1881 census for Birmingham and in 1890 in London, according to his death certificate, he was a Hebrew teacher, but I haven't been able to find out where. Any fresh thoughts most welcome. Eve - now permanently stuck in my living room chair in Toronto Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Sherry! This is just for you, and it's long! This might be Adolphe's arrival: Name: Adolph Choiron Port of Arrival: Dover, England Arrival Date: 2 Mar 1846 Port of Departure: Ostend, Belgium Ship: Princess Alice Country of Origin/Native of: France Let's look at the marriage: Name: Adolphe Cazimire Choiron Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Sarah Sackville Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 24 Oct 1853 Parish: Langham Borough: Westminster Father Name: Adolphe Letrone Choiron Spouse Father Name: James Sackville Register Type: Parish Register Adolphe was a Cabinet maker. His father was a Tinplate worker [deceased]. James Sackville was a Shoemaker [deceased]. They were married in the __Church of All Souls, and they lived in the All Souls District. Witnesses were Gilbert Sackville and Fred? Minton. Possibly Sarah's birth: Name: Sarah Sackville Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 5 Aug 1833 Father's Name: James Sackville Mother's name: Sarah Sackville Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London Register Type: Parish Registers Her sister, Jane: Name: Jane Sackville Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 19 Feb 1827 Father's Name: James Sackville Mother's name: Sarah Sackville Parish or Poor Law Union: St Andrew Holborn Borough: City of London Register Type: Parish Registers Ancestry "thinks" Jane married Eugene Guillaume, had Adele, Ann, Isabella, Mary, Emile, Rose Augusta and William, and died in 1911. I see the marriage for their daughter in Paris: Name: Adèleeaïde Emelie Jeanne Choiron Marriage Bann Date: 20 nov. 1881 Father's Name: Adolphe Choiron Mother's name: Sarah Sackville Spouse's Name: Eugène Levy So Adeleeaide apparently chose to become Jewish... Their other daughter: Name: Julie Emma Joséphine Choiron Marriage Bann Date: 3 avr. 1877 (3 Apr 1877) Father's Name: Adolphe Casimie Choiron Mother's name: Sarah Choiron Spouse's Name: Fulgence Xavier Savate The same as this daughter? Name: Emma Julia Josephine Choiron Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1857 Registration district: Pancras Inferred County: London Volume: 1b Page: 113 (click to see others on page) The Thomas Family Tree owned by janard645 says Lydia was another daughter: Lydia Isobella Sarah Choiron Birth 10 Jul 1862 in St Pancras, London, England Death Oct 1914 in London, Middlesex, United Kingdom The Thomas Tree says Gilbert and Martha were Sarah Sackville's parents, but they were probably her grandparents. Her father was James. Their son was also named Adolphe Cazimer Choiron, born 24 Aug. 1854. They lived at 13 Bayham Place, Camden Town. Adolphe was a Cabinet Maker. The baptism was at the Lambeth General Lying In Hospital, performed by J.R. or I.R. Baber on Aug. 30. Rev. Barber performed 11 baptisms at that hospital that day. Adolphe and Sarah might not have understood that their son was actually baptized. Here's another baptism for the same son, three years later: Name: Adolph Casimir Choiron Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 16 Jan 1857 Father's Name: Adolph Casimir Choiron Mother's name: Sarah Choiron Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras Borough: Camden Register Type: Parish Registers Adolph was born 24 Aug. 1854. They lived at Little King St. South. Father was a Carpenter. apparently Julia was baptized the same day. Julia was born 16 Dec. 1856. Gilbert Sackville, age 60 in 1841, was a Tailor living in All Souls and Trinity. His wife was Margaret, 55, and children [grandchildren?] at home were: Jane, 14 Sarah, 10 Jane and Sarah were born in the same County [Middlesex], but Gilbert and Margaret were not born in Middlesex. Maybe Gilbert was Sarah's grandfather? Here's a Gilbert who got married in 1860: Name: Gilbert Sackville Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1860 Registration district: Marylebone Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1a Page Number: 531 (click to see others on page) He married Isabella Budd. Here's Isabella Budd, who married Gilbert Sackville in 1860, in Langham, Westminster. Isabella's father was Charles Budd. Gilbert's father was James Sackville. Name: Isabella Budd Spouse Name: Gilbert Sackville Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 23 Jan 1860 Parish: Langham Borough: Westminster Father Name: Charles Budd Spouse Father Name: James Sackville Register Type: Parish Register Here they were in 1861: Name: Isabella Sackville Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Gilbert Sackville Gender: Female Where born: Calne, Wiltshire, England Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: All Souls ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 410 Piece: 66 Folio: 108 Page Number: 62 Household Members: Name Age Gilbert Sackville 82 [It might say 52.] Tailor. Born in Northumberland, Alnwick Isabella Sackville 50 Born in Witts, Calne Their address looks like 22 Wicks [or Wells] Mews. Here is a death for Gilbert Sackville in 1868. It has his age as 89,. Name: Gilbert Sackville Record Type: Death Estimated Death Date: 1868 Age: 89 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1779 Parish or Poor Law Union: Saint Marylebone Borough: Westminster Register Type: Parish Register He died in Ward 20B of the Workhouse Nov. 23, 1868, and was buried by the Workhouse. Gilbert had entered the Workhouse 11 April 1864. Isabella Sackville entered the Workhouse 16 June 1865, and died in London Dec. 22, 1868. She was buried by McDix [possibly McDickens, 114 Cleveland St.] Here's a James Sackville who married in 1840: Name: James Sackville Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1840 Registration district: Pancras Inferred County: London Volume Number: 1 Page Number: 241 (click to see others on page) Either: Eleanor Beetson Ruth New or this Marriage registry: Name: James Sackville Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Eliza Luck Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 18 Jan 1840 Parish: St Pancras Parish Chapel Borough: Camden Father Name: Galvert Sackville [Gilbert] a Tailor Spouse Father Name: Wm Quinlon [Dead] Register Type: Parish Register James was a Widower, a Shoe Maker, who resided in ? A death at the same time: ??? Name: James Sackville Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1840 Registration district: Marylebone Inferred County: London Volume: 1 Page: 146 (click to see others on page) There was a Lord Sackville who was a big shot. His wife was Elizabeth, and they lived in Knole House in Sevenoaks, West Kent in 1881. Lord Sackville was born about 1821. He was probably Mortimer Sackville-west, a Baron, and Elizabeth was probably Elizabeth Faber. Name: Elizabeth Faber Gender: Female Birth Date: abt 1841 Age: 32 Father's Name: Charles Wilson Faber Spouse's Name: Mortimer Sackville-West Spouse's Age: 52 Spouse's Father's Name: George John Sackville-West Marriage Date: 12 Jun 1873 Marriage Place: Northaw, Hertfordshire, England There was a Sackville Gallery, fine Arts Dealers, at 28 Sackville St. in 1907- There was a Sackville Laundry at 47 Brook gn. [Green?] in 1907. Another James Sackville b. 1806 in England, came to Ontario Canada by 1861: Name: James Sackville Age: 65 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Male Birth Place: England Residence District: Northumberland West Residence Location: Hamilton Township Ethnic Origin: English Religion: Church of Christ Occupation: Farmer & Sawyer Division: 3 Microfilm Roll: C-9983 Page: 1 Head of Household Comment: This person is listed as a head of household. His death: Name: James Sackville Death Date: 10 Apr 1879 Death County or District: Northumberland Age: 73 Gender: Male Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Birth Location: England Linda Wolfe Kelley Portland, OR

This is posted on behalf of Nancy Goldberg - nancygoldberg05@ca.rr.com. Several times this week, I have received spam messages supposedly from British-Jewry. I have also received such messages supposedly from a cousin, and supposedly from a friend. All are from Yahoo addresses. An IT person said Yahoo is particularly susceptible to addresses being hijacked because they don't have good security. Per Jackye, 3 of the 4 recent Brit-Jewry spams had Yahoo addresses; she also mentioned AOL. If you have a Yahoo or AOL address, you may want to pressure them to step up security, or consider changing providers. Nancy Goldberg