Members may not be aware that a lot of Manchester Jewish records are now available on the Find My Past website, and others can be found on the Manchester City Council website under the archives section. Jill Whitehead

Dear Jeremy, I am probably "late" with my offering. If you have not found Philip Bruckston / Brookstone's grave as of yet,I should think it would be in Manchester,listed by one of the various Chevrot Hakadisha (probably Ashkenazi) I think there are decendants in the community. All the best, Brenda Habshush. Sde Boker. . . DISCLAIMER: This mail message was scanned for malicious content by Quality Bytes Mail Security when leaving the gateway of Quality Bytes http://qb.q-bytes.com/qbms/?c=qb .

Jeremy, forgive me if I've missed something (I haven't been following this thread very well) but - have you tried CONTACTING the person with a tree "on the big A site" and asking the owner about their information and connections? You know, sometimes people "just accept information that looks probable" - I've been guilty of that myself! - but sometimes it turns out they have real first-hand knowledge, and if you ask them nicely they're usually very willing to share. Good luck. Martha jeremy frankel <jfrankel@lmi.net> 5/21/2013 12:32 PM: > Thanks to those of you who emailed and jogged my poor coffee-soddled > brain. This morning I found my way to the online database with the > Leeds cemeteries database and - duh - realized that Malki was Milly > (yes Jackye, I can hear your refrain - Jeremy, you're slipping!). > > STILL - and alas, her husband Philip is nowhere to be found though he > did die in Leeds in 1926. I am hoping (with all my fingers and toes > crossed) that there is a headstone floating aorund somewhere WITH > Hebrew inscription which will tell me his father's name. > > Reason being that someone else has a tree on the big A site (I keep > bumping into) and they go back another four generations, but I fail > to see the connection they make between Philip and the father they > claim. > > Many thanks again > > Jeremy >

Thanks to those of you who emailed and jogged my poor coffee-soddled brain. This morning I found my way to the online database with the Leeds cemeteries database and - duh - realized that Malki was Milly (yes Jackye, I can hear your refrain - Jeremy, you're slipping!). STILL - and alas, her husband Philip is nowhere to be found though he did die in Leeds in 1926. I am hoping (with all my fingers and toes crossed) that there is a headstone floating aorund somewhere WITH Hebrew inscription which will tell me his father's name. Reason being that someone else has a tree on the big A site (I keep bumping into) and they go back another four generations, but I fail to see the connection they make between Philip and the father they claim. Many thanks again Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England now Folsom, CA Searching for: FRANKEL: Plock, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England Pinkus, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA

Hi Jeremy, No Philip BROOKSTONE according to http://www.jewishgen.org/jcr-uk/Community/Leeds/cemeteries/Hilltop/Cemetery_menu.htm There's no Philip in any of the other cemetery lists I have. I assume you have looked at the JC in case there is anything in there? Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) > I'm helping someone research their BROOKSTONE family who lived in > Leeds; Philip and Rachel (Donberg) and their children. I'm guessing > that Philip, who died in 1926 is buried in Hilltop Cemetery. > > I've also read that it is closed due to possible mining subsidence. > > Does anyone know if Philip is actually buried there and if so, how > might one obtain a photograph of his headstone.

Dear Genners, I'm helping someone research their BROOKSTONE family who lived in Leeds; Philip and Rachel (Donberg) and their children. I'm guessing that Philip, who died in 1926 is buried in Hilltop Cemetery. I've also read that it is closed due to possible mining subsidence. Does anyone know if Philip is actually buried there and if so, how might one obtain a photograph of his headstone. (Maybe someone owns a drone? Only joking). Please reply off list unless the response will be of benefit to other researchers Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England now Folsom, CA Searching for: FRANKEL: Plock, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England Pinkus, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA

And Faybish is often used for Phillip. They've carried the names and variants through the generations. <Morning Naomi, OK If I had a brain I would be dangerous...read on... I got my generations confused. Henry (Aharon) was son of Philip. Philip was the son of Chaim and Chaim was the son of Aharon> Naomi Ogin - another no brain and not dangerous ; ) Brisbane

Hi Angie When I was in my teens I used to know an Alf Richman who was a newspaper journalist and part of Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson's "kitchen cabinet". I think he probably grew up in the East End. I'm afraid beyond that I can be of no help as I cannot remember where in Fleet Street he worked and also he would be about 110 if still around now. My Dad's cousins whose friend he was had no children and so I cannot think of anyone obvious to ask. Best Hazel Hazel Dakers, London UK researching: BIRNBAUM (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), GOLD (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany & South Africa), NORDEN (London and South Africa) www.hazeldakers.co.uk

Dear Hazel, Linda and John et al, Thank you all for your help in trying to find information about my lost great uncle who was mentally handicapped. He never married, and after his mother Annie Richman died in 1935, he was moved to an 'institution' - that's what my cousin calls it. On the documents I received from Lithuania about Annie and her husband Yosel's children, there were 7 registered births.  One child was called Ovsey b. 1876. According to one site, it says that this name means Yehoshua.  I dont know what name that child would have been given in the UK and it is possible that this is Harry. Anyhow, if anyone has any information I would be grateful. Thanks. Regards Angie Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds ________________________________ From: Hazel Dakers <hazel.dakers@blueyonder.co.uk> To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:35 PM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Richman Hi Angie When I was in my teens I used to know an Alf Richman who was a newspaper journalist and part of Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson's "kitchen cabinet".  I think he probably grew up in the East End. I'm afraid beyond that I can be of no help as I cannot remember where in Fleet Street he worked and also he would be about 110 if still around now. My Dad's cousins whose friend he was had no children and so I cannot think of anyone obvious to ask. Best Hazel Dakers, London UK researching: BIRNBAUM (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), GOLD (Zgierz & Lodz, Poland), HEIMANN (Luegde, Germany & South Africa), NORDEN (London and South Africa) www.hazeldakers.co.uk

Morning Naomi, OK If I had a brain I would be dangerous...read on... I got my generations confused. Henry (Aharon) was son of Philip. Philip was the son of Chaim and Chaim was the son of Aharon. So, this now leads me to needing a look up of the 1915 grave of Philip CRONMAN at Edmonton Federation Cemetery plot I-8. Thank you to all those who read Henry's stone for me. Sherry Landa (overcast Oxford, UK) . > I can't see the link but based on Danielle's lettering it sounds like > Shraga Faybish. The calque for Chaim is Faybish and Shraga Faybish > is a couplet. One of my gggf's has the same name. > http://www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page151 > http://www.genealoj.org/texte/Noms_table.pdf

I can't see the link but based on Danielle's lettering it sounds like Shraga Faybish. The calque for Chaim is Faybish and Shraga Faybish is a couplet. One of my gggf's has the same name. http://www.genealoj.org/ENtexte/page151 http://www.genealoj.org/texte/Noms_table.pdf <his Hebrew name was Aharon ben Chaim.... Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK)> Naomi Ogin Brisbane

Dear Sherry, The translation of the Hebrew writing on the grave is:   Rabbi Aharon ben rabbi (son of rabbi) Shraga Faybush (pe – yud – yud – bet – vav – shin  ) Written  פייבוש  .   If I am correct, the father was born in Galitzia and came to Palestine.      Sincerely, Brenda Habshush. . . DISCLAIMER: This mail message was scanned for malicious content by Quality Bytes Mail Security when leaving the gateway of Quality Bytes http://qb.q-bytes.com/qbms/?c=qb .

Thank you Brenda, He didn't go to Palestine (the father) he died in 1898 in London, having remarried in Leeds in 1893. Two of the other sons went to USA (NY) and one gave his birth place as Bialystok. Sherry > Rabbi Aharon ben rabbi (son of rabbi) Shraga Faybush (pe – yud – yud – bet – > vav – shin ) > Written פייבוש . > > If I am correct, the father was born in Galitzia and came to Palestine.

Angie, A minor point, but it might help, Wallasey, which is in the Wirral area across the Mersey from Liverpool, is spelt like that. That might suggest that Rainhill asylum on the other side of the river would be a likely place. For Bury, I guess that Prestwich asylum would be likely. I wonder if Liverpool archives and the Greater Manchester County Record Office respectively might have registers of deaths, admissions etc that could help you? John Cowell ________________________________ From: Angie Elfassi <aelfassi51@yahoo.com> To: British Jewry <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, 18 May 2013, 16:45 Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Harry RICHMAN Hi, Im trying to confirm which is the correct date of death for my relative Harry Richman.  He is the son of Annie and Yosel Richman.  He died in Lithuania.  She died in Leeds (North) 1935 aged 86. I have been given help with possible dates of demise for Harry or Harold Richman -  Born about 1887 died 1969 Bury Lancs Born about 1883 died 1962 Wallessy Chesire I have been told by my cousin that he recalls that in circa 1935 (probably when Annie died) Harry/Harold was taken to a home for the mentally ill.  How would I find a mental institute in either Bury or Wallessy thus confirming where he died and is possibly buried. Thanks in advance Regards Angie Elfassi Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds  Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Danielle, LOL at the thought of you literally running to the cemetery. The problem I had was that I did not have a Henry on the census as a son of Chaim. I had an Aaron and also a birth for an Aaron. Then suddenly at marriage there was this Henry chap. I think we have proved he is the same as the Aaron on the census. Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) On 18 May 2013 14:57, Danielle Sanderson <sanderson_family@ntlworld.com> wrote: > It says Aharon but not son of Chaim. A couple of the letters are not very > clear (at least to me) but it seems to say R'Aharon Bar and then the letters > appear to be "Shin Reysh Gimmel Aleph" and the last word looks like "Peh > Ayin Bet Vav Shin". The unclear letters are the first Shin (which could > possibly be something like lamed ayin) and the Ayin. > > If you like, I can run to Bushey cemetery to see if it is clearer looking at > the actual stone. > > Danielle Sanderson > Bushey > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sherry Landa" <sherry.landa@gmail.com> > To: <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:12 AM > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hebrew (again) > > >> Could someone look at >> https://www.usintranet.org.uk/burial_system/web_images/?plot_id=15554&download=1&filename=Henry >> Kronman.jpg for me please? There is only one line of Hebrew at the top >> and I am hoping it is saying that his Hebrew name was Aharon ben Chaim >> (everything crossed including eyes). >> >> Thanks >> Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It says Aharon but not son of Chaim. A couple of the letters are not very clear (at least to me) but it seems to say R'Aharon Bar and then the letters appear to be "Shin Reysh Gimmel Aleph" and the last word looks like "Peh Ayin Bet Vav Shin". The unclear letters are the first Shin (which could possibly be something like lamed ayin) and the Ayin. If you like, I can run to Bushey cemetery to see if it is clearer looking at the actual stone. Danielle Sanderson Bushey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry Landa" <sherry.landa@gmail.com> To: <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2013 11:12 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hebrew (again) > Could someone look at > https://www.usintranet.org.uk/burial_system/web_images/?plot_id=15554&download=1&filename=Henry > Kronman.jpg for me please? There is only one line of Hebrew at the top > and I am hoping it is saying that his Hebrew name was Aharon ben Chaim > (everything crossed including eyes). > > Thanks > Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK)

Could someone look at https://www.usintranet.org.uk/burial_system/web_images/?plot_id=15554&download=1&filename=Henry Kronman.jpg for me please? There is only one line of Hebrew at the top and I am hoping it is saying that his Hebrew name was Aharon ben Chaim (everything crossed including eyes). Thanks Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK)

Hi, Im trying to confirm which is the correct date of death for my relative Harry Richman.  He is the son of Annie and Yosel Richman.  He died in Lithuania.  She died in Leeds (North) 1935 aged 86. I have been given help with possible dates of demise for Harry or Harold Richman -  Born about 1887 died 1969 Bury Lancs Born about 1883 died 1962 Wallessy Chesire I have been told by my cousin that he recalls that in circa 1935 (probably when Annie died) Harry/Harold was taken to a home for the mentally ill.  How would I find a mental institute in either Bury or Wallessy thus confirming where he died and is possibly buried. Thanks in advance Regards Angie Elfassi Israel Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds 

Someone has kindly offered to do the lookup for me so I no longer require any further help in this matter. Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia

If anyone is going to the National Archives at some stage could I request a look up please? I have the relevant details. Please reply privately. Many thanks. Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia