It's true; a collection of BMD's, even photos of gravestones, is a very incomplete, sketchy framework that doesn't really reveal peoples' lives. But, it seems that is where one must start; and even if it's where one must end, it is better than nothing. For me, anyway, given that I never even met or saw a letter from my paternal grandparents or aunt, and have almost no information about their or their parents' lives, it does provide something of a feeling of family! Martha

No Marsha, You are not wrong. Basically "announcements" (BMD, engagements, stone setttings, in mems and later bar mitzvahs) had to be paid for. You did it when you had reached a certain status/position in life. If you married into a more affluent family you might get included in their announcement. If you were poor and preferred to feed your family then you would only get in if it was newsworthy or you knew a journalist (my grandfather and g.uncle were both journalists). So, if you perished in a major fire, or were mown down by a runnable tram you would get in. If you went bankrupt, naturalised, committed a crime etc., you'd probably get in. Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) > Just a question about Jewish immigrants in Leeds. My impression is that those who arrived in Leeds from Eastern Europe in the 1880’s were poor and likely didn't speak or read English. I am talking about my own family here. So what info about this rather large group is likely to have appeared in an English newspaper?

Dear Genners, Whist engaged in a project which included a Haft family I've ended up trying to work out if they are all related. I say "all" because there are families in London and Lancashire and across the pond in Chicago and New York. Today I ran across a fascinating account online in the Liverpool Echo (8 Jan 3013) about a Morris Haft , a Russian immigrant who went into a burning house and rescued two very young children. The article featured a grandson, Irving Glassman who has inherited an award which was given to Morris for his efforts. This year is the 100th anniversary. Many if not all the Haft families appear to be inter-related and I'm sure my research would benefit from someone who is actually descended from the Hafts and understands their genealogy. if there is such a person I'd appreciate them contacting me off list. Many thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England now Folsom, CA Searching for: FRANKEL: Plock, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England Pinkus, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA

In order to assist any other individuals who are researching the Fink family from Manchester, England, I have the following information from the naturalization records which do not belong to my Lewis Fink: Certificate of Naturalization, February 9, 1903: Louis Fink, age 45, born Pinchev (now Pinczow), Poland, the son of Samuel and Hilda Fink, living at 46 Elizabeth Street, Cheetham, Manchester, master tailor, wife:  Minnie, children:  Joseph Fink, 20, Annie Fink, 17, Nathan Fink, 15, Rebecca Fink, 14, Matilda Fink, 14, Sarah Fink, 12, Morris Fink, 10. Certificate of Naturalization, September 23, 1910 Marks Fink, born September 21, 1872, Warsaw, Poland, the son of Jacob and Celia Fink (Census says Sarah), living at 9 Upper Jackson Street, Hulme, Manchester, an outfitter, wife:  Fannie.  His Certificate was signed by Winston Churchill. All the best, Ann Rabinowitz annrab@bellsouth.net

Just a question about Jewish immigrants in Leeds. My impression is that those who arrived in Leeds from Eastern Europe in the 1880’s were poor and likely didn't speak or read English. I am talking about my own family here. So what info about this rather large group is likely to have appeared in an English newspaper? Even when they arrived in the US 15-20 years later, there was nothing about them as individuals in the american press that I have noticed. Perhaps a death would have been reported in the Jewish press, rarely a wedding, nothing more. Basically it was a class thing as far as I can tell. Am I wrong about this? Marsha Steinberg Los Angleles, Searching for town of birth for my Cohen family who went from either Latvia or less likely Lithuania to Leeds in the 1880s. MsMs On May 26, 2013, at 2:37 PM, Cynthia McCaughan <mccaughan-ingle@paradise.net.nz> wrote: Hi Eve and others In addition to Trove, those with ancestors in Australia/ New Zealand might like to try the totally FREE Papers Past site. Often references to Australia as it was all just part of the British colonies, as well as news from ‘home’ (UK). Like you, I too have just recently learnt about the UK Newspapers site. New viewers of this site can get three free downloads, and then the subs are quite reasonable. After registering on the site you can save and organise various searches for future download: I have just bookmarked about 100 pages and then paid a modest sub for two days access. The download is for the entire page PDF on which your find is, which gives a bonus of background ‘news’ for those interested in the historical context. Only issues I had were with subscribing, the website rejected my details with my credit card which was rather odd, I needed to use another web browser. cheers Cynthia (New Zealand) Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Possibly! TBH I had forgotten about these pages. The bit that threw me was the reference to entering surname or variants. I know we have NEVER had a searchable database that can do variants (or Soundex) as much as I would have loved to have been able to provide one. This made me think it must have been JGSGB. As you've seen these pages still exist and can be hand-searched. The Leeds database on www.british-jewry.org.uk supersedes these tables but is not as flexible search-wise. If people do use http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sherry/BJ_databases.htm they need to know that to get back to the main list you need to use the up button and not to rely on the links as the email addresses are probably old. Mine certainly doesn't work any longer. For enquiries on details email me at gmail or wanadoo addresses please. Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) > Maybe Brenda is referring, in part, to this wonderful database Sherry posted a few years ago: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sherry/BJ_databases.htm SNIP > The former database for Leeds Jewry listed a varied amount of information > In a table format. > Upon entering a surname / variants one could read of all family members from > all the years,brides,grooms, their addresses and fathers' names/

I too have been using the newspapers now on line for historical research. Be aware however that not all local papers are on line in the British Library newspaper archive site - Some titles are not there because they are subject to copyright, or the archive has been put on line by the newspaper itself, on a pay by view basis, similar to that adopted by the Jewish Chronicle. My family come from Rugby. But the Rugby Advertiser is not on line. However, you may can still read missing newspapers at the British Library, at local libraries - and possibly at other libraries too. Evelyn Wilcock Genealogy site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wilcock/

Dear Eve, I've been saying (and writing) for some time now that newspapers are the next "big thing." For many genealogists, having acquired the primary source documents for birth, marriage and death, various census returns, military records and naturalizations and passenger manifests (where they impact some of our relatives), there is still the huge amount to be discovered from researching newspapers. These provide even more clues or solve exiting mysteries - or create even more mysteries to solve! There are national, regional and local newspapers. There are "ethnic" (think Jewish Chronicle, Manchester Telegraph) newspapers. Even foreign newspapers can provide breakthroughs. A couple of years ago I was helping someone research a family in San Francisco. The son placed a notice in the San Francisco newspaper regarding his father who had passed away in his home town in Eastern Europe. So you never know where you might strike lucky! You simply have to check them all! Happy Hunting! Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England now Folsom, CA Searching for: FRANKEL: Plock, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England Pinkus, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA

Dear Eve, A few months ago I assisted someone with their research concerning a rabbi who, in the 1860s traveled from America to Japan then to Hong Kong where he unfortunately died. He was buried there rather than being brought back to America. it's entirely possible because he had no family, he was buried there. It may well be a similar situation. The cost of bringing the body back from halfway around the world might have been prohibitive. Have you enquired as to whether there are any Jewish cemeteries in Singapore? The "Cemetery Scribes" website provides some details regarding Singapore Jewish cemeteries. I checked the website and there is a link to another site which offers photographs of all the remains of those buried in Orchard Road and Thomson Road Jewish Cemetery which were reinterred in Choa Chu Kung. One of the images is of an Edward Laurence who died in 1890. I'm sorry but I don't think I can help you with the Suez problem. Sincerely, Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex-London, England now Folsom, CA Searching for: FRANKEL: Plock, Poland; London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland; London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania; London, England; NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland; London, England Pinkus, Poland; London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland; London, England; NY, USA

Dear Brenda, You are once again confusing us with the JGSGB databases. Please contact them about their databases and website, as I have told you before we are nothing to do with them. Thank you. SheRRy Landa (Oxford, UK) > > Dear Shelly, > > The former database for Leeds Jewry listed a varied amount of information > In a table format. > Upon entering a surname / variants one could read of all family members from > all the years,brides,grooms, their addresses and fathers' names/ > In this way one could often compare and trace siblings. > The burials included the cemetery in most cases. > How would one go about returning this marvellous database on-line.

Dear Shelly, The former database for Leeds Jewry listed a varied amount of information In a table format. Upon entering a surname / variants one could read of all family members from all the years,brides,grooms, their addresses and fathers' names/ In this way one could often compare and trace siblings. The burials included the cemetery in most cases. How would one go about returning this marvellous database on-line. There is nothing that equals all of that information at one go not to mention the enormous interest that came together with the search. Brenda Habshush. Israel. . . DISCLAIMER: This mail message was scanned for malicious content by Quality Bytes Mail Security when leaving the gateway of Quality Bytes http://qb.q-bytes.com/qbms/?c=qb .

Maybe Brenda is referring, in part, to this wonderful database Sherry posted a few years ago: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~sherry/BJ_databases.htm For addresses and cemeteries, search JewishGen. Brenda and all, let me know if you don't have a subscription, and I'll look in JG for you. Linda Wolfe Kelley [lkelley49@gmail.com] Portland, OR On May 25, 2013, at 4:14 AM, Brenda Habshush wrote: Dear Shelly, The former database for Leeds Jewry listed a varied amount of information In a table format. Upon entering a surname / variants one could read of all family members from all the years,brides,grooms, their addresses and fathers' names/

She's so thick! I'm back online again with the same address and everything! Spent the first night in the apartment. The challenge will be finding a place for everything. > -----Original Message----- > From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry- > bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Sherry Landa > Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 8:50 AM > To: BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] former leeds database > > Dear Brenda, > > You are once again confusing us with the JGSGB databases. Please contact > them about their databases and website, as I have told you before we are > nothing to do with them. > > Thank you. > SheRRy Landa (Oxford, UK) > > > > > > Dear Shelly, > > > > The former database for Leeds Jewry listed a varied amount of > > information In a table format. > > Upon entering a surname / variants one could read of all family > > members from all the years,brides,grooms, their addresses and fathers' > > names/ In this way one could often compare and trace siblings. > > The burials included the cemetery in most cases. > > How would one go about returning this marvellous database on-line. > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

There is an archive of British newspapers available on the internet. I guess it's commercial, so I won't mention it's name, but it is produced in partnership with the British Library. I don't know if it's been discussed here. I've only just recently learned about it through my local Family History Centre. I ran a search for my Lazarus family of Plymouth and Exeter and turned up 47 pages of search results. Of course, some are irrelevant, but most are, and what a wealth of social history! I thought that after 15 years of researching I'd pretty much cleaned up anything there was to be found about the family's time in Devon - they'd mostly all moved away from there by the 1860's - but now I've got a considerable body of human stories to fill out their lives. Other sources of newspapers - free this time are the National Library of Singapore, newspapers.nl.sg for Singapore and Malaya, and Trove Digitised newspapers and more, trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper for Australian papers. How do the latter relate to British genealogy? In my case, because many of the family were opticians, traveling abroad to test people's people's eyes and sell them spectacles. They'd advertise their visits ahead of time, so I've been able to find out who was in the business when, and where they went. Also, several died during their travels, something I wouldn't necessarily have discovered otherwise. Eve Toronto

The following concern the Lazarus families of Plymouth and Exeter, later of London and Brighton etc. Edward Lazarus/Laurance died just after arriving in Singapore from Bombay in 1890 while traveling on business. Anyone have any idea what might have been done with his remains? Buried, obviously. But who would see to it? British consulate? I wonder if it would be known that he was Jewish and if a Jewish congregation would have been notified. The newspaper article states "Mr. E. Laurance, the optician who came from Bombay about a week ago, was found dead in his bed at the Hotel de l'Europe", which suggests that the intended audience wasn't very wide. His cousin, Nathan Lazarus died at sea in 1909, at Suez, while a passenger returning to Britain aboard the Malwa. Does anyone know what would have been done with his remains at that time? Would he have been refrigerated and transported to Britain? Buried at the nearest port? Or did they still bury people at sea? [genealogy notes for Lazarus researchers: Eleazer Lazarus/Edward Laurance (son of Fanny Lazarus and Nathan Lazarus) c.1860-1890 Nathan Lazarus (son Rebecca Schultz and Moses Lazarus) c.1849 -1909 {n.b. not the NL above}] Eve Toronto

Thank you, Sheila. Clive Simmonds ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Brodie" <s.brodie@talktalk.net> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Manchester records > The Manchester Collection is listed under Special Collections in the > Search > drop-down menu > Sheila Brodie > > -----Original Message----- > From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Clive Simmonds > Sent: 23 May 2013 09:37 > To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Manchester records > > Thank you, Jill. But although I am a subscriber to Find My Past, I cannot > find an entry for Manchester Jewish records. Am I going daft, or is it > hidden somewhere obscure? > Clive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jill Whitehead" <jill.whitehead@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:35 AM > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Manchester records > > >> Members may not be aware that a lot of Manchester Jewish records are now >> available on the Find My Past website, and others can be found on the >> Manchester City Council website under the archives section. >> >> Jill Whitehead >> >> >> >> Our website is at >> www.british-jewry.org.uk >> We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. >> >> British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Manchester Collection is listed under Special Collections in the Search drop-down menu Sheila Brodie -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Clive Simmonds Sent: 23 May 2013 09:37 To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Manchester records Thank you, Jill. But although I am a subscriber to Find My Past, I cannot find an entry for Manchester Jewish records. Am I going daft, or is it hidden somewhere obscure? Clive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Whitehead" <jill.whitehead@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Manchester records > Members may not be aware that a lot of Manchester Jewish records are now > available on the Find My Past website, and others can be found on the > Manchester City Council website under the archives section. > > Jill Whitehead > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, Jill. But although I am a subscriber to Find My Past, I cannot find an entry for Manchester Jewish records. Am I going daft, or is it hidden somewhere obscure? Clive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Whitehead" <jill.whitehead@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 11:35 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Manchester records > Members may not be aware that a lot of Manchester Jewish records are now > available on the Find My Past website, and others can be found on the > Manchester City Council website under the archives section. > > Jill Whitehead > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unfortunately we are still unable to access the british jewry website - we get a warning of a Trojan virus and the virus checker will not open the site. We have tried on other computers which have different virus checkers and so we know that it is not because ours is over-vigilant! We are hoping that this will be resolved soon as we would like to log onto the website Thank you Darryl and Hazel Lipkie in cold and wet Melbourne

Hi, Yes some people (Avast users?) are getting a message to this effect (iframe-zg). I am still trying to get to the bottom of it. There is a lot of web-chatter that only 2 AVs pick this up and lots of arguments about whether these are false positives or not. I can't get a definitive answer to what string I should be looking for in my page codes...I have run an external check and not found this problem. However, I did find a different problem on Leeds Database index page, which my AVG says it has fixed for me. I have scanned my own machine about 50 times now (I do it every day anyway and update my AV every day too). The web hosting company is saying it can't help :-( I have inserted a "meta tag" (whatever this is) which AVG recommends to be able to monitor alerts people are getting. The only other step seems to be to pay a professional to manually search pages which they say is really difficult and time-consuming. Meanwhile, if in doubt, I can only suggest you stay out. Sherry Landa (Oxford, UK) On 23 May 2013 01:20, Darryl & Hazel <hakelev@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Unfortunately we are still unable to access the british jewry website - we > get a warning of a Trojan virus and the virus checker will not open the > site. We have tried on other computers which have different virus checkers > and so we know that it is not because ours is over-vigilant! > We are hoping that this will be resolved soon as we would like to log onto > the website > Thank you > > Darryl and Hazel Lipkie > in cold and wet Melbourne > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message