Thank y9u jackye and everyone for the advice and information. I will go on trying. Louise > > >

Thank you for all your information on procedure. I have printed it off and kept by my side for reference, best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Hahn" <ceehahn@earthlink.net> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 1:06 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Searching JewishGen London Database & Old Bailey > You don't have to pay $100. I did, but my year has run out and I can't > renew this minute. So Debbie is correct, you can log in and have a > search, but only for one thing at a time-->> On Jan 20, 2008 10:25 AM, > Alfred and Louise <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >> > > >

On 21/01/2007, at 12:45 PM, Eve Richardson wrote: > Eve Richardson (who, at present, welcomes any excuse to not draw > pelvises) > Best to use large pliers : ) Su

I think you are confusing a few databases. There is absolutely nothing hosted by Jewishgen that requires an obligatory payment. This is part of the ethos, they do request voluntary contributions to fund ongoing costs, but there is absolutely nothing that requires a payment. Similarly with JGSGB's databases. There may possibly be links to other organisation's databases e.g. US (United Synagogue), that require some form of payment. Just recognise that these are organisations without any major funding, largely but not exclusively, run by volunteers, and that there are ongoing costs. Please note that JGSGB is an independent organisation, and is 'JGSGB is a UK Registered Charity No.1022738' in terms of the Charities' Act in the UK. They contract with Jewishgen Inc., a not for profit is an independent non-profit tax-exempt Organization under *Section* *501*(*c*)(*3*) of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code., who host the site of JGSGB. neither organisation has any responsibility for the other. Saul Issroff Sun, 20 Jan 2008 10:25:54 -0000 From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Solomons wrote: " I have tried to log into Jewish Gen's london database but they seem to want $100. Is that so. I t hought that as I was a member of JGSGB i didint ahve to pay. could someone please tell me what is happening, Bewildered as ever, Louise"

Hello Eve and Eva, The family of Danzigers that I am trying to track down are Emanuel Montheim Danziger and Eva nee Danziger. I know they were living in Dirschau until abt 1850 because three of their children were born there. in 1866 their ninth child ,Flora was born in Leeds Yorkshire and their tenth child was born and died in 1866 Leeds Yorkshire. I am trying to find out where they originated from and why one of their sons Max Danziger travelled to New Zealand in 1880 as Max Danziger but when he arrived in New Zealand he changed his name to Max D'Arcy and became an Anglican. He married in New Zealand and had three sons with the surname D'Arcy. Regards Mary Heppell > Hi Mary, > the following is the info that Eve Danziger sent me (with permission to > forward). I hope it adds a bit to a Danziger puzzle. I think Eve said that > her father was in Britain for a time and that is where he married Eve's > mother, but there doesn't seem to be any real ties to Britain. > Cheers, Eve Richardson >> My family came to Canada in 1966. My >> father, Kurt Danziger, was born in >> Breslau (Wroclaw) in 1926 and grew up >> in Cape Town. He doesn't have any >> siblings, but there are some more >> distant relatives in (former East) >> Germany and in South America. My >> knowledge is sketchy -- some o f those >> may not be Danzigers, since they might >> be on my grandmother's side. My Dad >> would know; we could ask him if it's >> interesting. I don't know of any >> relatives that ended up in Canada >> though > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn My 2x times great grandfather Louis KYEZOR Jnr. was married at 18, had his own business as a watchmaker (he was an apprentice at age 9 so well qualified by the time he was 18) and was listed in business directories and advertised, so the answer is yes. Regard Keira in Australia PS the Pot Roast sounds good. From: "Carolyn Hahn" <ceehahn@earthlink.net> > My husband is making pot roast as I sit here doing searches on Jewish > Gen for "any field" "sounds like" Cable Street." It looks like his son > Samuel Solomons, then 17 and 18, is listed as a general dealer at 51 > Cable Street for 1827-28. In people's experience, would that be > unrealistic, for a 17 year old to be listed in a directory?

Wee correction to last bulletin, Michael JACOBS father in law was a cap and hat manufacturer, helps if you read notes before you post. Debbie Bozkurt

I have spent many a night looking for these 3 brothers and I am afraid I am going to have to post a missing bulletin. Does any of these names ring a bell for anyone? John JACOBS born 1850 Duke Street, Aldgate, London - Father - Henry Jacobs Butcher, Mother Rebecca ISAACS on census in 1861 age 10 with family at 27 1/2 Duke Street Aldgate....no other news of him. Michael JACOBS born 1852 Duke Street Aldgate London - Father - Henry JACOBS Butcher, Mother Rebecca ISAACS. Last seen at his marriage to Leah SCHNEIDER of 65 Stepney Green 1873. Leah's father owned Cigarette Factory. Michael was living at 65 Stepney green at time of marriage but was missing off the 1871 census. Solomon JACOBS born 1861 Duke Street Aldgate London - Father Henry JACOBS Butcher, mother Rebecca ISAACS. Last seen age 19 on 1881 census at 4/34 Duke Street as Butcher with sister and father. Could have been left £3,000 in will of Daniel MYERS uncle in 1911. If anyone knows of these JACOBS, please get in touch, one may learn something to his advantage!? Seriously, I have waded through endless records from many sources and am stuck. I am going through the JC records again this morning in the hope I may have missed something, unfortunately John is not an unusual name. I can not see any death records close to the last sighting either. I can only think they may have emigrated but I have tried various sources there. I must have missed something! Living in hope Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides, waiting for rain to stop so I can go out Bird Watching, rare bird sighted down the road!

No you only have to pay $100 if you want to do an advanced search, you can still type a surname in but not a combination of Surname, place etc. justs means if you have a common surname it takes a while Debbie Bozkurt - Outer Hebrides On Jan 20, 2008 10:25 AM, Alfred and Louise <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: > I have tried to log into Jewish Gen's london database but they seem to want > $100. Is that so. I t hought that as I was a member of JGSGB i didint ahve > to pay. could someone please tell me what is happening, >

I have tried to log into Jewish Gen's london database but they seem to want $100. Is that so. I t hought that as I was a member of JGSGB i didint ahve to pay. could someone please tell me what is happening, Bewildered as ever, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Hahn" <ceehahn@earthlink.net>

TC (Please give first names please) It's www.jewishgen.org and the site provides many databases and information for Jewish genealogy around the world. Simply click on the databases link and you'll see what's available. Jackye Sullins > How about posting a precise link to the database for those of us not > great with explorative navigation? I kind of know JewishGen, but > don't know which section you are talking about. > > Thanks, > tc

Saul, You lost the thread on this because you didn't change the subject line to reflect the discussion at hand. Jackye >I think you are confusing a few databases. > > There is absolutely nothing hosted by Jewishgen that requires an > obligatory payment. This is part of the ethos, they do request voluntary > contributions to fund ongoing costs, but there is absolutely nothing that > requires a payment. > > Similarly with JGSGB's databases. There may possibly be links to other > organisation's databases e.g. US (United Synagogue), that require some > form of payment. > Saul Issroff

OK, I just tried to log in to JewishGen and observed a couple of things. You do have to long in, I think. You should not have to pay anything just to create a log in--I searched for years without ever making a donation (slob that I am). When you do your search, "surname" can be either "sounds like " or "is exactly." If your ancestor has a common name, yes, it can be a bit of a slog but ... When you search "any field" it's exactly whatever you type in. Err on the side of brief--Angel instead of Angel Court. Because it might have also been Angel Alley and you don't want to rule anything out yet. > Carolyn Hahn, NYC >> Searching for SOLOMON/S of St George in the East, Levy of Holywell St >> or Cannon St Rd. >> >> Debbie Bozkurt wrote: >>> No you only have to pay $100 if you want to do an advanced search, you >>> can still type a surname in but not a combination of Surname, place >>> etc. justs means if you have a common surname it takes a while >>> >>> Debbie Bozkurt - Outer Hebrides >>> >>> On Jan 20, 2008 10:25 AM, Alfred and Louise >>> <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have tried to log into Jewish Gen's london database but they >>>> seem to want >>>> $100. Is that so. I t hought that as I was a member of JGSGB i >>>> didint ahve >>>> to pay. could someone please tell me what is happening, >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Carolyn Hahn wrote: > I should add, when you get the name of a neighbor or the street from > JewishGen, do BOTH a map search and a name search on Old Bailey. The > pettiest things were crimes then--and people were poor and desperate. > Carolyn Hahn, NYC > Searching for SOLOMON/S of St George in the East, Levy of Holywell St > or Cannon St Rd. > > Debbie Bozkurt wrote: >> No you only have to pay $100 if you want to do an advanced search, you >> can still type a surname in but not a combination of Surname, place >> etc. justs means if you have a common surname it takes a while >> >> Debbie Bozkurt - Outer Hebrides >> >> On Jan 20, 2008 10:25 AM, Alfred and Louise >> <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: >> >>> I have tried to log into Jewish Gen's london database but they seem >>> to want >>> $100. Is that so. I t hought that as I was a member of JGSGB i >>> didint ahve >>> to pay. could someone please tell me what is happening, >>> >>> >> >> > >

Louise, Belonging to JGSGB has nothing to do with using Jewishgen. Jewishgen asks for at least $100 to use their advanced search and be privy to little extra perks. The site is definitely free and you can search any of their databases. Jackye >I have tried to log into Jewish Gen's london database but they seem to >want > $100. Is that so. I t hought that as I was a member of JGSGB i didint > ahve > to pay. could someone please tell me what is happening, > Bewildered as ever, Louise

You don't have to pay $100. I did, but my year has run out and I can't renew this minute. So Debbie is correct, you can log in and have a search, but only for one thing at a time--you can't search for Solomon of Back Church Lane, you can search for Solomon or Solomons under surname, BUT, here's the trick. If you have a street, or even a variation of it, change the search. Don't do "surname" do "any field" and then choose "sounds like" or "is exactly" and...have fun. Once I knew "Manuel Solomons" was at 76 Cable Street, I wanted to see who else was at their address. I did a search for "any field" "is exactly" "Cable" and saw who his neighbors were up and down the street. Voila, it appeared his son worked a few doors down at 51 Cable. So I narrowed it down and searched for exactly 76 Cable and exactly 51 Cable to see who their landlords, co-workers, etc might have been. One of the neighbors, Michael Michael ( I then did more searches on some of the neighbors) lived on 9 Church Lane in 1819 (where my Solomons lived later). He also may have been the Michael Michael of Cable Street who was tried at the Old Bailey at age 26 in 1802 for coining--he was found guilty, and was sentenced to death, which was "respited." Reading the trial record told me a little about daily work life on Cable Street. Other people at 76 Cable Street were the Lazarus family over a several decade long period--Lewis Lazarus from 1819-22, Samuel Lazarus at 62 Cable Street in 1836. The Barnetts--Emanuel Barnett, 1749, Barnett Barnett (aka Barnard) Mazchor 1807, Emanuel Barnett (possibly the grandson of the 1749 one) through the 1830's--and then by 1853 David Barnett of 12 Back Church Lane--when my family lived at several addresses on the street. Once you know someone is at a street, go to search records of the Old Bailey and do a map search for the street. It usually will give you an idea of the neighborhood, how many crimes over the years, insights into the physical setting via the trials, which you can click on on the map--you can go to the years your family was there up to 1834 and realize you're listening to their neighbors, if not your ancestors themselves (my Emanuel Solomon, circa 1819, witness to a crime--I also searched under "Manuel" to see if he was ever listed that way, no luck). Lucky for me, Cable Street had a lot of crime, mostly theft. It was near the London Docks, so I got a sense of the businesses and the traffic--drunk sailors who woke up minus a pocketwatch, etc. A stolen handkerchief that ended up getting on transported for life... And consider searching on Jewish Gen under names of each directory--I did a search under "any field" "Is exactly" "AlexRit" which gave me all the subscribers to a book of Hebrew rituals circa 1819. Somebody went door to door selling subscriptions to this, so names turn up close enough to each other that you can see some patterns. Then I did a search of "Britten" which was clock and watchmakers...looking for Jacob/John Levy, watch and clockmaker--still sorting out the few John and Jacobs and Jonahs...but it's helpful in locating them and ruling out this or that one--the one at 12 and 13 Bevis Marks lived into the 1840's, so I can rule him out...etc. (The pot roast was great--weeks o' frozen leftovers to come!) Carolyn Hahn, NYC Obsessively searching for SOLOMON/S of St George in the East, Levy of Holywell St or Cannon St Rd. Debbie Bozkurt wrote: > No you only have to pay $100 if you want to do an advanced search, you > can still type a surname in but not a combination of Surname, place > etc. justs means if you have a common surname it takes a while > > Debbie Bozkurt - Outer Hebrides > > On Jan 20, 2008 10:25 AM, Alfred and Louise <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> I have tried to log into Jewish Gen's london database but they seem to want >> $100. Is that so. I t hought that as I was a member of JGSGB i didint ahve >> to pay. could someone please tell me what is happening, >> >> > >

How about posting a precise link to the database for those of us not great with explorative navigation? I kind of know JewishGen, but don't know which section you are talking about. Thanks, tc

Hi Mary, the following is the info that Eve Danziger sent me (with permission to forward). I hope it adds a bit to a Danziger puzzle. I think Eve said that her father was in Britain for a time and that is where he married Eve's mother, but there doesn't seem to be any real ties to Britain. Cheers, Eve Richardson > My family came to Canada in 1966. My > father, Kurt Danziger, was born in > Breslau (Wroclaw) in 1926 and grew up > in Cape Town. He doesn't have any > siblings, but there are some more > distant relatives in (former East) > Germany and in South America. My > knowledge is sketchy -- some o f those > may not be Danzigers, since they might > be on my grandmother's side. My Dad > would know; we could ask him if it's > interesting. I don't know of any > relatives that ended up in Canada > though

> I really don't want people getting too paranoid about this. . . > Let's be reasonable here. There are worse sins... Hi Sherry and others, Sorry for getting crabby. Yes, there are definitely worse sins (I just can't do them these days). But, I have been frustrated when doing a search on a specific topic (I don't mean specificallyon the B-J site), thinking I've got a hit, and then finding that a thread with a topic heading reflecting what I'm interested in turns out to have little or no related material. Contrarily, if a subject heading isn't changed, someone may miss something they are interested in. For example : someone lists (appropriately) a string of first names used in their BARNET family under the heading First Names, someone picks up on BARNET and replies with a list of their BARNETs, effectively starting a new thread, third person searches for info on BARNETs, but doesn't pick up this information cuz guess what heading it's still under ? Maybe this isn't relevent to searching the B-J site and people will find what they want, but I think sometimes folk forget that important information is often found by such methods as Googling and getting random pages (Yay random googling !) , and such things as appropriate headings really are important. Eve Richardson (who, at present, welcomes any excuse to not draw pelvises)

This is adorable. Now I want to research food terms on Old Bailey: caddack@aol.com wrote: > Dear List, > > We often have discussions about food on BJ and I thought the following > might amuse. It is part of a reply to an Old Bailey judge in the year > 1784. > > "...she said she gave her oranges, and what they call lollipops I > believe, something which the Jews sell. This Mrs. Spriggs is known by > the name of Hannah Young..." > I love this website. And sorry for my last post which didn't list subject, etc correctly (Hi, Su Solomon :-) ). But I had a little triumph today--I searched for Solomons again on Jewish Gen's London Jews database and came up with "Manuel Solomons, " slopseller at 79 Cable Street, Pigot 1827 & 1828. My great great great great grandfather was Emanuel Solomons of Back Church Lane, which intersects Cable Street. This puts into perspective the 1819 Cable Street Old Bailey account of the Emanuel Solomons who said he stopped a thief on his doorstep. I thought it meant the thief had run a block to Back Church Lane. Now I know Solomon worked, and possibly also lived at Cable Street--I have nothing that places him on BackChurch Lane before 1836, but now I know he was a block away, at most, from 1819. My husband is making pot roast as I sit here doing searches on Jewish Gen for "any field" "sounds like" Cable Street." It looks like his son Samuel Solomons, then 17 and 18, is listed as a general dealer at 51 Cable Street for 1827-28. In people's experience, would that be unrealistic, for a 17 year old to be listed in a directory? Thanks-- Carolyn Hahn, NYC Researching SOLOMON/S of St George in the East and Levy of Holywell St