Regardless - unless they are a same sex marriage/partnership, you are soon to have lots of them. Susan in dreary Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Merv & Naomi Barnett [mailto:barnett@netspace.net.au] Sent: 27 January 2008 03:48 To: British Jewry Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Pre 1791 Records for the Great Synagogue or precensus, records Debbie Just an aside to the footnote on your posting on the above subject - how do you know your mouse is married? Today most people have partners. You could have a modern mouse! <<PS my mouse has come visiting again and brought his wife with him!>> Naomi Barnett (sans mice) Melbourne, Australia

http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Digital%20View/digitalview.htm has a new photo, of people outside a Synagogue in Leeds. Elly would like help identifying the Synagogue and the people. Replies on list please and lets see if we can identify everyone ;-) Best Sherry (who had a lie-in, sorry Jackye)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Alfred and Louise" <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] GT SYNAGOGUE RECORDS PRE 1791 > My great great grandfather Aaron HART was also a glass cutter, engraver, > glass manufacaturer etc at different times. He lived in Goulston Street > from about 1841 possibly earlier 1823 according toone of the trade > directories. There is also a HART glass manufacturer in Petticoat lane in > 1830. I wonder if Phillip Kirby wouldhave anything on Aaron HART or even > any connection. I wouldbe very grateful to know. In his will it was > written as Aaron Brnett HART. With best wishes, Louise > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "phillip KIRBY" <phillip.kirby@ntlworld.com> > To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:47 PM > Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] GT SYNAGOGUE RECORDS PRE 1791 > >

My great great grandfather Aaron HART was also a glass cutter, engraver, glass manufacaturer etc at different times. He lived in Goulston Street from about 1841 possibly earlier 1823 according toone of the trade directories. There is also a HART glass manufacturer in Petticoat lane in 1830. I wonder if Phillip Kirby wouldhave anything on Aaron HART or even any connection. I wouldbe very grateful to know. In his will it was written as Aaron Brnett HART. With best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "phillip KIRBY" <phillip.kirby@ntlworld.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 8:47 PM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] GT SYNAGOGUE RECORDS PRE 1791 > Dear Listers > David Jacobs ( Litzen/Letson and most probably LIETZEN from West Prussia ) > who is the insane ribbon stealer is my 5 x great grandfather. My distant > cousins and I have no idea when he became insane other than in the Old > Bailey Trial of 1801 when his son Henry Jacobs ( my 4x great grandfather) > said he had been insane for a number of years. What is sad ( but given the > times not unsurprising) is that he got 1 year in Newgate dying in 1809. > You can imagine the treatment and conditions of 'ordinary'prisoners in > Newgate early 1800s let alone those for an insane old man! > The trade of our Jacobs line including David was glass. They were glass > dealers, cutters, engravers and manufacturers and had premises in > Artillery Passage, Mansell Street, Charles Street and Crown Street amongst > others. > We have a large collection of trade data on the families from the National > Archives, London Gazette as well as trade directories. > Those of you who have been following Debbie's postings know she is one of > my distant cousins and our related families include Hart/Levy/Nerwich > amongst many others. Debbie and I are due to meet at the Society of > Genealogists in London where I first discovered my David Jacobs lines in > the Hyamson collection. We hope to discover much more! > Dr Phillip Kirby > Norfolk > England > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date: > 26/01/2008 15:45 > >

Hi, I had a look on the update and would appreciate Shimon Frais emailing me privately. Thanks Regards Angie Israel Sherry with Sky <SherryELanda@sky.com> wrote: Hi, I have updated the website again. Sarah Ellis' DOB is now amended in the New Synagogue births. http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/new_synagogue_birth_registers.htm There is a new death certificate entry on: http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Certificates/Certificates.htm There are some new surnames (pages 1, 2, 4, 6) http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/Surname%20List.htm I have also added the link about women petitioning for votes in Oz, the Archives in NZ and the Latvian State archives, plus the Jewishgen/JCR Leeds page, that people kindly shared during the last week or so. These appear on the relevant pages. I am not getting much personal email, so if you have written and not had a reply, please send again (and copy to me on the following address, in the hope that one copy makes it: sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr ) Thanks Sherry (still dark in Salford but already 8C) Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

--- clinton.304@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > Many of my Manchester Jewish family attended the Gt > Synagogue regularly, > my gf's sisters were also married there. > > Could sks please pass to me scans of any photos etc > they have showing the > inside & outside of the building. > > I believe it was pulled down in the 1950s but I'm > not really sure. > > Clinton > Birmingham, West Midlands, UK > I also have family connections with the Great Synagogue, or "the Englishe Shul" as it was locally known, going back to a burial in 1885, and probably some years before. The shul survived until the mid-1970's. I actually remember attending a service there in about 1973. I recall opening a prayer book and seeing it dated from the opening of the synagogue in 1860 since it contained the prayer for Prince Albert, the Prince Consort, and Edward Prince of Wales. I also seem to rememeber a plaque in memory of the Jewish soldiers who died in the Boer War 1902. By the early 1970's there were few Jews living in the Cheetham Hill area. Sadly after the synagogue closed the building was left to decay and the lead thiefs and vandals soon left it in such a dangerous state it had to be demolished. A sad end. Regards, Shimon (Steven) ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

Hi Phillip, What an interesting, though tragic, snippet of social history in your account of your ancestor ! He may simply have had dementia, poor man. And jailed for stealing a ribbon ! I suppose it was thought better for society to keep such people off the streets, though there must have been many on them, unable to receive proper care or shelter. I wonder how our values now would seem to the average person of that not-so-distant past. Eve Richardson (in Toronto, Canada, but wondering where in Norfolk you are as I spend my summers there.)

HI from chilly grey drizzly Jerusalem. I wonder what was the profession of the "mad" David. Mad + ribbons = could be have been a mad hatter....was it arsenic that drove them "mad"? Just a thought. You are doing so well with your ancestors. My Gx2 GF has been sighted in the 1861 census but none of us can find when or where GF and GM died. Weird. Enjoy your mice. We have 2 sheep on the patio but they are ceramic. The cats are real tho...Preshie (Precious) my indoor/outdoor phat cat, and Preppie (Preposterous) our skinny Mommycat and niece of Preshie, and a load of eager Toms, mostly for food tho, hanging around hopefully..(Too many unwanted cats here, it's sad but does keep the rats away). Ros ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Bozkurt" <debbieinscotland@googlemail.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Pre 1791 Records for the Great Synagogue or pre census records > Hi there from very soggy cold and windy Stornoway. > > Probably a silly question, did any pre 1791 marriage records survive > the blitz in any format from the Great Synagogue. We are trying to > trace our David JACOBS (hebrew name david b jacob litzin/letson), who > died in 1809 aged approx 83. All his sons that married after 1791 were > registered at the Great Synagogue, Unfort. my 4x great grandfather > Philip JACOBS married just before. David was in his 50s when his > children were born in the late 1760 and 1770s, he was already deemed > 'mad' at that point and was frequently arrested between 1777 and 1801 > for stealing ribbons, his defence was he was mad for years but his > luck ran out in 1801 and his was sentenced for 1 year in prison. > > It does seem logical that he married either late or our family was his > second marriage. His wife certainly appears not to be around in the > later part of the 18th century as his sons were finding him > accommodation etc. from descriptions at the trial he didn't look after > himself and was a mess. And you know girls we would NOT let our men > out in public like that so I am wondering whether his wife died in > childbirth perhaps.....maybe the stolen ribbons were for her in his > mind. > > Can anyone point in the direction of any archives on either marriages, > books on the aldgate area/ minories or any pre census of that area to > see if I can trace David Jacobs pre 1770s. > > Thank you for your patience in reading my story, its lonely up here > need someone to chat to! > > Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides > > PS my mouse has come visiting again and brought his wife with him! > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Listers David Jacobs ( Litzen/Letson and most probably LIETZEN from West Prussia ) who is the insane ribbon stealer is my 5 x great grandfather. My distant cousins and I have no idea when he became insane other than in the Old Bailey Trial of 1801 when his son Henry Jacobs ( my 4x great grandfather) said he had been insane for a number of years. What is sad ( but given the times not unsurprising) is that he got 1 year in Newgate dying in 1809. You can imagine the treatment and conditions of 'ordinary'prisoners in Newgate early 1800s let alone those for an insane old man! The trade of our Jacobs line including David was glass. They were glass dealers, cutters, engravers and manufacturers and had premises in Artillery Passage, Mansell Street, Charles Street and Crown Street amongst others. We have a large collection of trade data on the families from the National Archives, London Gazette as well as trade directories. Those of you who have been following Debbie's postings know she is one of my distant cousins and our related families include Hart/Levy/Nerwich amongst many others. Debbie and I are due to meet at the Society of Genealogists in London where I first discovered my David Jacobs lines in the Hyamson collection. We hope to discover much more! Dr Phillip Kirby Norfolk England

Hi there from very soggy cold and windy Stornoway. Probably a silly question, did any pre 1791 marriage records survive the blitz in any format from the Great Synagogue. We are trying to trace our David JACOBS (hebrew name david b jacob litzin/letson), who died in 1809 aged approx 83. All his sons that married after 1791 were registered at the Great Synagogue, Unfort. my 4x great grandfather Philip JACOBS married just before. David was in his 50s when his children were born in the late 1760 and 1770s, he was already deemed 'mad' at that point and was frequently arrested between 1777 and 1801 for stealing ribbons, his defence was he was mad for years but his luck ran out in 1801 and his was sentenced for 1 year in prison. It does seem logical that he married either late or our family was his second marriage. His wife certainly appears not to be around in the later part of the 18th century as his sons were finding him accommodation etc. from descriptions at the trial he didn't look after himself and was a mess. And you know girls we would NOT let our men out in public like that so I am wondering whether his wife died in childbirth perhaps.....maybe the stolen ribbons were for her in his mind. Can anyone point in the direction of any archives on either marriages, books on the aldgate area/ minories or any pre census of that area to see if I can trace David Jacobs pre 1770s. Thank you for your patience in reading my story, its lonely up here need someone to chat to! Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides PS my mouse has come visiting again and brought his wife with him!

There were 2 brothers ( that I know of.) from Gombin, Poland, Abraham & Henry FRIEND.Their father was Jacob Leib FRIEND. Henry was a sponge dealer & had 8 children. Lived in Leeds. Abraham was a boot & shoe man, had 8 children. Lived in Thirsk, Yorkshire. (I bet there aren't any Jews there now!) Both families at one time lived in Trafalgar & Templar St, Leeds. In 1879, Abraham married Dinah FRANKEL from Newcastle. There are strong South African connections. If anyone has links with this family, please contact me. I am especially interested in Henry's daughter, Ethel. born 23 Feb 1884. Miriam Margolyes New York searching: FRANKEL (Sunderland) LEWIS & JENKINS (Newcastle)

Dear Listers Have just stumbled across an amazing research resource for those of you who had family who ended up in Victoria, Australia. In 1891 a group of women went around Melbourne and Victoria getting signatures for a petition to present to the Parliament of Victoria saying women should have the vote. Names and addresses can be researched on line for free and copies of signatures downloaded for free. Following a quick glance there are women with the surnames MARKS, COHEN, LEVY and BARNETT there plus one by the name of KEYZOR which has opened up a whole new line of research for me. The site is http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/petitions/women.asp Keira Lockyer Country Victoria on a bright and sunny day with kookaburras laughing and magpies knocking on the back door for a feed.

Hi, I have updated the website again. Sarah Ellis' DOB is now amended in the New Synagogue births. http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/new_synagogue_birth_registers.htm There is a new death certificate entry on: http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Certificates/Certificates.htm There are some new surnames (pages 1, 2, 4, 6) http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/Surname%20List.htm I have also added the link about women petitioning for votes in Oz, the Archives in NZ and the Latvian State archives, plus the Jewishgen/JCR Leeds page, that people kindly shared during the last week or so. These appear on the relevant pages. I am not getting much personal email, so if you have written and not had a reply, please send again (and copy to me on the following address, in the hope that one copy makes it: sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr ) Thanks Sherry (still dark in Salford but already 8C)

Dear all, In the course of my search for Viner/Winer families on the Leeds synagogue site which gives marriages and burials, I have made some very interesting discoveries of the "intertwining" of Leeds families through the section on marriages. This section usually gives the name of the groom and brides fathers and addresses.. Eventually one finds other siblings and their relatives through marriage. In this way I came across a personal family connection about which I had no former imformation. Because I am at home (therefore "glued" to the computer) these days, I am at this site, day-in-day-out. Its a most exciting game, and quite an insite to the Leeds community from the period of mid 1800's up until the end of the 1900's. In Dr.Geoffrey Raisman's book "The Undark Sky",his father reads the old gravestones at Hilltop Cemetery and remembers the people and their circumstances. This site gives me a similar feeling, like "I've been there" ! http://www.jewishgen.org/JCR-UK/Leeds.htm (no password needed) Shabbat shalom, Brenda Habshush,Israel., . . DISCLAIMER: This mail message was scanned for malicious content by Quality Bytes Mail Security when leaving the gateway of Quality Bytes http://qb.q-bytes.com/qbms/?c=qb .

Have just discovered an unfortunate typo in the New Synagogue Birth Registers database available on B-J Would anyone who has either downloaded the database, or who has a copy of the disc (no longer available) please amend the above record as follows: Sarah Ellis birth date should read 23 August 1837 (not 1827 as previously published) I shall ask Sherry to amend the database at source but, as she is a busy person, juggling several roles other than her B-J work, this may take time. My apologies for the error Angela Shire

You can contact them by email at irinwein@latnet.lv - tell them what information you have and they will let you know free of charge whether that's enough for them to do further research. Unfortunately the only information I had for my ggmother was Courland - and that was insufficient without a specific town as well. Gillian Glasgow On Jan 24, 2008 7:47 PM, Annette Young <granynet@earthlink.net> wrote: > Angie, > The address for the above is: > > Latvian State Historical Archives > Slokas Isla 16 > Riga LV -1007 > Latvia > > At the time of my inquiry the initial cost was $50.00 and then was > notified of all records available and costs. > > Annette Young

Thanks also to Sherry and Judy Wolkovitch for finding and sending me the DIAMOND death notice from the Chronicle Archives. Regards, Sonya Mitchell New Zealand

Thanks very much to both Dinah & Gillian for their helpful replies. I have replied to them both off-list. Kind regards Naomi Barnett Melbourne <<I am keen to look at passenger lists (or shipping arrivals) for Wellington, New Zealand in 1939>>

Dear all, In the year 1938 my grandfather died at The Jewish home for the aged at no's 62-64 Cowper Street,Chapeltown. The place was close to Cowper St.Primary School (still operating). Opposite the home was Louise St. I would like some imformation about the home, an article to read. I think it was named The Hertzl-Mozer Home. Sincerely, Brenda Habshush, Israel. . . DISCLAIMER: This mail message was scanned for malicious content by Quality Bytes Mail Security when leaving the gateway of Quality Bytes http://qb.q-bytes.com/qbms/?c=qb .

Heartfelt thanks to Jackye for sending me the JC archive page which details and confirms the name/death of my gg aunt Fromet DIAMOND in the family home town of Dabie near Lodz in Poland.... a new family line from her son (1901 census, Phillip and Charlotte DIAMOND of Scarborough, Yorkshire with four chn) to research and a possible 'shtetl' visit when everything comes together eventually! Thanks so much Jackye. Regards Sonya Mitchell/ANSELL New Zealand