Hi Myra re my earlier reply to your query. the details kept on patients in Colney Hatch were quite comprehensive, and included religion etc. the LMA told me that quite a large proportion of the patients were Jewish, as they were sent there from the East End of London by the then council the LCC. best wishes Susan Jacobs . > I've tried looking for West Ham burials or Edmonton burials online (in > case he was buried there but I don't even know whether the authorities > knew he was Jewish - with a name like Goldenberg!!!!) but without > success so I guess I'll just wait for the LMA to reply and take it from > there. I'll let you all know how I get on. Thanks again. Myra in > South Australia. > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Debbie, Do you know if your cousin went to Victoria before 1888? There is a Victorian Pioneers list, this is a list of the BDM of people who arrived in Victoria before 1888. When the school holidays are over and I get my life back I will be going to the library again and can do some look ups for you. There are also the electoral rolls. The Victorian death certs. are very good as they give you the names and ages of the children of deceased person. This coming week is the last week of the school holidays. Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Debbie, I live in West.Aust. and the library I go to has Victorian newspapers dating back quite a long time on microfilm. Do you have any particular year? I don't think they have any Bendigo papers but I have an idea there is a Bendigo family history centre and they may help. Regards Mary > Does any one know links to old Australian Newspapers on line specially > in regards to Victoria, the Melbourne area and the Bendigo areas. I am > interested in the mid to late 19th century and the early to mid 1900s. > > I did find a link to Australian Newspapers on line but it was huge and > I didn't know where to start, most of it seemed modern. On my travels > I did find this though, Publications on line 1840 to 1845 Australia > (free) which maybe of use to some of you but unfortunately not too me. > > http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/search.html > > Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides - not nice again > > PS It is confirmed they are local mouse they are wearing the Macleod > Tartan, so sure to be married, this is the Western Isles > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stan Rose wrote: > PS. There is a lovely Cornish fishing village called Mousehole where > they conduct Civil Ceremonies for same-sex mice In the chapter Early Settlement in his book, The Jews of the South-West of England, Bernard Susser writes: . . . Nor is [Marazion ... anciently known as Market-Jew] the only town in Cornwall whose name is said to be of Hebraic origin. There is the town of Menheniot, which name, a correspondant to the Jewish Chronicle suggested, is derived from the two Hebrew words, min oniyot, which mean 'from ships'. The current pornunciations of the name of the Cornish town of Mousehole as 'Muzzle' might also be influenced by Hebrew, as 'Muzzle' is the homonym of the Hebrew word meaning 'luck. It might be objected that the apparent Hebrew origins of the names of these towns is due to mere coincidence. It is known, however, that in the ninetheenth century the cryptic Hebrew expression Makom Lamed (= 'L(ondon) place' ) coined by local Jews when referring to London, passed into general Cornish usage. Eve Richardson (presently replete with Chinese steamed fish )

Who is she, you haven't told us her name, we may have resources that could help you. Debbie Bozkurt On Jan 27, 2008 11:12 PM, Bea <blspabas@btinternet.com> wrote: > Dear British Jewry members, > > I've hit a brick wall and hoped someone could help! > > I've a very distant relative. Given her age, I suspect she was already > married by the time she came to the UK, which would have been at some point

Dear British Jewry members, I've hit a brick wall and hoped someone could help! I've a very distant relative. Given her age, I suspect she was already married by the time she came to the UK, which would have been at some point between 1902 and 1937. A local archive's electoral registers helped me to find out where she was living in 1937 up to her death in the 1940s, but there is no information about where she (or her husband) lived before 1937. I'd like to try to find out because this relative is one of the missing pieces in this enormous jigsaw puzzle I have!! How could I try to find out where she lived before 1937? All suggestions welcome! Many thanks, B. Shiel (London)

Not really, just trying to trace known family and I use JC here as have it on-line but can't seem to find anything on-line for Australia, I guess there must be. One of my 'Cousins' died in 27th June 1911 Bendigo City David Jacobs, he had a few children and I wanted to see if I could trace him. I have found the Bendigo Society on line, might try them but not sure they did individual look up names. Debbie Bozkurt On Jan 27, 2008 11:35 PM, Mary Heppell <heppell2@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hello Debbie, > > I don't think they have any Bendigo papers but I have an idea there is a > Bendigo family history centre and they may help. > > Regards > > Mary > >

Jackye, Late 1890s/early 1900s is best guess. Regards Elly On 27/01/2008, Jackye Sullins <jsullins@roadrunner.com> wrote: > Elly, > > Do you have any idea what the timeframe was? >

Debbie Just an aside to the footnote on your posting on the above subject - how do you know your mouse is married? Today most people have partners. You could have a modern mouse! <<PS my mouse has come visiting again and brought his wife with him!>> Naomi Barnett (sans mice) Melbourne, Australia

Hi there you mostly cold, damp listers and readers, Here's my first posting to this digest from me - in sunny, warm (and warmer tomorrow) Adelaide, in South Australia. Talking of insanity - well Debbie (who's related to cousins of mine) and Phillip did mention their poor old ancestor who, as Eve says, probably just had some form of dementia - I received my great-uncle Leon Goldenberg's death certificate the other day and see that he died in Colney Hatch. I wondered whether anyone has any idea where he might have been buried in those days - 24th November, 1916, at age 40. I was hoping that there might be the name of one of his siblings or a parent on the certificate but, alas, the informant was the Medical Superintendent of Colney Hatch. Is there somewhere online where there might be lists of inmates or of those who died there? asks she hopefully. I was just hoping there might be more information I can get from somewhere. I look forward to a reply - or two. Myra.

Debbie - try contacting the AJG - Gary Luke, he is probably the best one to answer your question. Stan. *********** PS. There is a lovely Cornish fishing village called Mousehole where they conduct Civil Ceremonies for same-sex mice, but I haven't noticed any kilts there! At 14:03 27/01/2008, you wrote: >Does any one know links to old Australian Newspapers on line specially >in regards to Victoria, the Melbourne area and the Bendigo areas. I am >interested in the mid to late 19th century and the early to mid 1900s. > >I did find a link to Australian Newspapers on line but it was huge and >I didn't know where to start, most of it seemed modern. On my travels >I did find this though, Publications on line 1840 to 1845 Australia >(free) which maybe of use to some of you but unfortunately not too me. > >http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/search.html > >Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides - not nice again > >PS It is confirmed they are local mouse they are wearing the Macleod >Tartan, so sure to be married, this is the Western Isles >Our website is at >www.british-jewry.org.uk >We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > >British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does any one know links to old Australian Newspapers on line specially in regards to Victoria, the Melbourne area and the Bendigo areas. I am interested in the mid to late 19th century and the early to mid 1900s. I did find a link to Australian Newspapers on line but it was huge and I didn't know where to start, most of it seemed modern. On my travels I did find this though, Publications on line 1840 to 1845 Australia (free) which maybe of use to some of you but unfortunately not too me. http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/search.html Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides - not nice again PS It is confirmed they are local mouse they are wearing the Macleod Tartan, so sure to be married, this is the Western Isles

If he was a member of the Federation, Edmonton cemetery is the closest. Try the on-line databases for this and West Ham. Regards, David liss

Hi Myra, I sent away for information from the LMA on a relative who was in Colney Hatch, and although I only got four photocopies (A4&A5) back they were full of interesting facts I might not have got anywhere else. included were photos (invaluable), the medical notes taken while the person was a patient which gave details of treatment on a daily basis, disposition, conversations, height weight etc, also family details, and the death cert issued by the medical officer. I was told there is often more in each person's file, but the person I enquired about was only there for a short time. look at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/search.asp and make sure that your relative was there during the time period covered, before you order. your query re burial - he was buried in the cemetery associated with the synagogue he belonged to i.e. West Ham (United), not one near Colney Hatch. best wishes Susan 'Is there somewhere online where there might be lists of inmates or of those who died there? asks she hopefully. I was just hoping there might be more information I can get from somewhere'

Hi Myra, Welcome. Interesting question, which I am not sure I can answer ;-) Normally, you are buried in the cemetery which is affiliated to your Shul. However, what happened to people who were hospitalised? Did relatives continue to visit and pay into the burial society for their kin or were they disowned? Did the administration in the hospital even know the "client" was Jewish? When they died were their Jewish rites observed, did people sit Shiva, or not? I am sure there are no general rules on this. So, could be almost anywhere. Some institutions had their own burial grounds, some would have used the local municipal cemetery. If relatives took care of the deceased then maybe they used their own cemetery (assuming it would be the same as the deceased, which may not have been the case). Good luck and let us know if you find out where he is buried. best wishes, Sherry (Salford UK 9C and cloudy) On 27/01/2008, Myra & Peter Waddell <mpwaddell@aapt.net.au> wrote: > Here's my first posting to this digest from me - in sunny, warm (and > warmer tomorrow) Adelaide, in South Australia. > > I received my great-uncle Leon > Goldenberg's death certificate the other day and see that he died in > Colney Hatch. > > I wondered whether anyone has any idea where he might have been buried > in those days - 24th November, 1916, at age 40.

On 27/01/2008, clinton.304@blueyonder.co.uk <clinton.304@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > Many of my Manchester Jewish family attended the Gt Synagogue regularly, > my gf's sisters were also married there. > > Could sks please pass to me scans of any photos etc they have showing the > inside & outside of the building. Hi Clinton, I have a photo showing the outside of the synagogue on my blog, here is the link to it: http://jan.zed1.net/gallery/Old-Photos-and-Records/greatandnew_php Hope this helps? Regards, Jan.

You are mentioning me in the same breath as insanity......you've been talking to my mouse and calves again haven't you!!! I don't know if this link will help, doesn't give names but is a very interesting read on all the asylums: http://www.mdx.ac.uk/WWW/STUDY/4_13_TA.htm#Friern Its always worth trying the Borough's archives libraries as they have numerous books and papers that are not yet digitalised. It might be worth an email to them. This is Barnet's web address and page on the asylum is below: http://www.barnet.gov.uk/index/leisure-culture/libraries/archives/archives-histories/archives-finchleyhistories/archives-finchley-colneyhatchasylum.htm Take Care Debs PS Meeting up with Jackie for sabbath dinner next month very nervous On Jan 27, 2008 8:37 AM, Myra & Peter Waddell <mpwaddell@aapt.net.au> wrote: > > > Talking of insanity - well Debbie (who's related to cousins of mine) and > Phillip did mention their poor old ancestor who, as Eve says, probably > just had some form of dementia - I received my great-uncle Leon > Goldenberg's death certificate the other day and see that he died in > Colney Hatch. > >

Many of my Manchester Jewish family attended the Gt Synagogue regularly, my gf's sisters were also married there. Could sks please pass to me scans of any photos etc they have showing the inside & outside of the building. I believe it was pulled down in the 1950s but I'm not really sure. Clinton Birmingham, West Midlands, UK

Elly, Do you have any idea what the timeframe was? Jackye > http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Digital%20View/digitalview.htm > has a new photo, of people outside a Synagogue in Leeds. Elly would > like help identifying the Synagogue and the people. > > Replies on list please and lets see if we can identify everyone ;-) > > Best > Sherry (who had a lie-in, sorry Jackye)

For the two listers who have requested further information regarding possible links between their Jacobs and Hart lines and my own I am still researching my two Hart lines. Also Debbie and my other distant cousins are fantastic spotting the Jacobs lines and new relatives and I have asked them to take a look at the lister requests. With regard to my two Hart lines one was essentially involved in the boot and shoe trade in Leman Street and later Houndsditch and the other in the clothes trade in Rosemary Lane and later Hollywell Street and the Strand- I have Henry, Aaron,Moss,John, Napthali in the boot and shoe trade and Benjamin,Henry,Moss,John, Lewis, Rosa in the clothes trade. What I do not know are the names , if any, of the siblings of my two 4x great grandfathers Benjamin Hart - in the clothes trade- and Henry Hart in the shoe trade. Similarly I know nothing about the trade of my 5x great grandfather Jacob Myers. The two brothers Henry and Philip Jacobs sons of David Jacobs ( Litzen, Letson, Lietzen) were trading in Petticoat Lane in 1801 in the glass business. By the way, if any lister has looked at the Hyamson and Colyer Fergusson collections of Anglo Jewish family history they will know that there are hundreds of family trees and other data in the collections but poorly indexed other than by surname so it takes a considerable time to read the documents. Importantly, in some cases the collection records places of origin and name changes which are invaluable clues. Regards Dr Phillip Kirby Norfolk England