Louise It is most likely Maiden Lane Covent Garden. and the Reader Woolfe Isaacs? The records of this synagogue were destroyed by a bomb in the 1940s. As most of my families were members I have found it very frustrating that these records are not available. Will do some more checking today to see if I can turn up anything. Keira (Australia) at No 3 Partridge court, aldgate etc > Jonah Silver 25 Bachelor Traveler 3 Partridge Court Father: dead. > Kitty Jacobs 24 Spinster clothesmaker . Redience: Forme Place ( what does > that mean?) Father Dead. > > so I have not yet solved who her father was. > > Married in the house ? at 3 Partridge Court according to the Rites and > Ceremonies of the Jewish Persuasian? by me Weolfs ifacr? Reader of > Synagogue Maidartone Covent Garden? > In the presence of us Phillip Levy and J. Berchat? Abrmmm Clths Secfs ? > >

Louise, If you can scan the certificate send it to me as a jpg file (use my wanadoo address is this seems to be the most reliable at the moment) and I will upload the scan to Digital View for you so people can look. Regarding the lack of fathers' names once you get the name of the Synagogue you could try for an authorisation which will have the patronymic. Best Sherry On 08/02/2008, Alfred and Louise <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: > Dear Listers and Debbie, I am delighted that the marriagea certificate for > my great grandmother has just arrived but the writing is so minute that I > need help to decipher it. >

Thank you Keira and Gaby I'm the sort of person who can't pass a burial ground without peering at the names on the stones and wondering about what sort of people they were and how they lived But I have never seen a burial ground in such a bad state as this one. It looks just as though someone has taken a sledgehammer to the stones - I don't suppose that is what's happened but that's how it looks. It is a completely desolate scene. Presumably the Proprietorship Register at H. M Land Registry has been checked but the owner is untraceable if the Local Authority have to pin notices to the railings. Some years back I read of certain London Authorities (I forget which) divesting themselves of cemeteries for a completely nominal sum (I think a pound or something like that) in order to avoid their responsibilities for maintenance and upkeep. The purchasers then let the cemeteries deteriorate without any thought for the relatives of the deceased and their feelings. I don't specifically recall any Jewish cemeteries being mentioned or, indeed, the Borough of Tower Hamlets but I wonder whether something like this hasn't happened here? Ros -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gaby Laws Sent: 08 February 2008 09:52 To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Disused Cemetery in Bancroft Road, Mile End Ros, You have raised a very interesting point and one that Angela and I have been working on from some time, it seems that the local borough are also having the same problem! The question is who owns and maintains it now and who has the key? Angela has established contact with the Board of Deputies and is awaiting further developments. We have on our site a very brief history and a few photos (general and headstones) see www.genpals.com The information we have is only from headstones visible from outside the grounds - through the railings with a sharp eye! I believe there are some inscriptions recorded and visible on the web but no indication of which headstones still remain and what condition they are all in. Gaby Laws London UK > I was intrigued to see that Tower Hamlets Council had pinned a notice to > the > railings asking the owner of the ground to contact them!< > Ros > > Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I have a number of marriage authorisations in my possession. All of them ask if the groom's brother(s) will attend. Against this question are usually one or two words in Hebrew (not the brothers' names) which I can't translate. Does anyone know what the standard types of entry would be? Eg, "he will attend" or "cannot attend" perhaps? Simon

I have just written about Kitt Jacobs mariage and how amazing , but I think it is the Maiden Lane synagogue moved to Convent Garden and am going to explore further. And only today someone wrote about a disused cemetary near Bancroft Road. Are there any marraige records still for that community? Perhaps I can get an authorisation to tell me more. Bese wishes, Louise

Dear Listers and Debbie, I am delighted that the marriagea certificate for my great grandmother has just arrived but the writing is so minute that I need help to decipher it. January 4th 1843 marraige solomnized at No 3 Partridge court, aldgatae etc Jonah Silver 25 Bachelor Traveler 3 Partridge Court Father: dead. Kitty Jacobs 24 Spinster clothesmaker . Redience: Forme Place ( what does that mean?) Father Dead. so I have not yet solved who her father was. Married in the house ? at 3 Partridge Court according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Jewish Persuasian? by me Weolfs ifacr? Reader of Synagogue Maidartone Covent Garden? In the presence of us Phillip Levy and J. Berchat? Abrmmm Clths Secfs ? Does anyone recognise any of the adresses of the synagogue please, Any suggestions as tow here I go now please. Thank you, Louise (London)

Visit this web-site to obtain more information concerning this cemetery, with photos and names. <http://olamgadol.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/maidenlane.html> Regards, David Liss

Ros, You have raised a very interesting point and one that Angela and I have been working on from some time, it seems that the local borough are also having the same problem! The question is who owns and maintains it now and who has the key? Angela has established contact with the Board of Deputies and is awaiting further developments. We have on our site a very brief history and a few photos (general and headstones) see www.genpals.com The information we have is only from headstones visible from outside the grounds - through the railings with a sharp eye! I believe there are some inscriptions recorded and visible on the web but no indication of which headstones still remain and what condition they are all in. Gaby Laws London UK > I was intrigued to see that Tower Hamlets Council had pinned a notice to > the > railings asking the owner of the ground to contact them!< > Ros > >

Ros This was the cemetery for Maiden Lane Synagogue. There is some information on a few burials there (including two of my MURRAY family)but records were lost in World War ll so only reports in the Jewish Chronicle and family records are likely to reveal who others might be that are buried there. Louis KYEZOR Senior was buried there in 1869. > Today I had occasion to visit Mile End Hospital and had to park some > distance away down Bancroft Road. I was struck by the appearance of a > burial > ground as I was walking from my car to the Hospital. > > It appeared to be a Jewish graveyard as what stones there were had what > appeared to be Hebrew inscriptions. I was intrigued to see that Tower > Hamlets Council had pinned a notice to the > railings asking the owner of the ground to contact them!

FYI Sherry All five offices of the West Yorkshire Archive Service: Bradford, Calderdale, Kirklees, Leeds and Wakefield will be closed from Monday 3rd March to Friday 7th March 2008. During this time the archive staff will be working on improving access to the local authority collections in our care. Staff will continue to respond to urgent written enquiries and telephone messages during this period. I would be grateful if you would draw this to the attention of anyone intending to use our offices during this week. Contact details for each office can be found on our website: www.archives.wyjs.org.uk Terry Berry Operations Manager West Yorkshire Archive Service PO Box 5 Nepshaw Lane South Morley Leeds LS27 0QP t.(0)113 289 8215 f.(0)113 253 0311 e tberry@wyjs.org.uk w: http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk

Today I had occasion to visit Mile End Hospital and had to park some distance away down Bancroft Road. I was struck by the appearance of a burial ground as I was walking from my car to the Hospital. It appeared to be a Jewish graveyard as what stones there were had what appeared to be Hebrew inscriptions. But the site was in a state of terrible dereliction - most of the stones were shattered and strewn around like so much rubble. From what I could make out the stones were dated around the early 19th Century and the dead were presumably by now sufficiently remote from the living to allow the neglect to the monuments to occur. It struck me as incredibly sad that the burial ground was in this state - I was intrigued to see that Tower Hamlets Council had pinned a notice to the railings asking the owner of the ground to contact them! Does anyone know about this burial ground and its history? Ros

Hello Diebbie, This inf was on the Victorian Pioneers fiche up to 1888. Birth 1882 Catherine C/N 6177 " 1878 David C/N 26357 " 1875 Humphrey James C/N 26566 " 1877 John C/N 12331 These four children were all born in White Hills. *************************************************** 1903 electoral roll Alfred James Jacobs, Miner of White Hills. David Jacobs, Messenger " " Robert Orr Jacobs, Labourer " " There is no mention of Esther Mary Jacobs on the electoral roll. I will check next thursday for births and marriages after 1888. If you search Google for White Hills in inverted commas and add Victoria outside you will be able to find the White hills Cemetary site and it is searchable. Regards Mary > Does any one know links to old Australian Newspapers on line specially > in regards to Victoria, the Melbourne area and the Bendigo areas. I am > interested in the mid to late 19th century and the early to mid 1900s. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your answer. i dont think it is likely but am keeping it on record as there may have been brothers. Once I get the marriage application from the Beth Din, it might say who the brothers are and then I can contcat you. With best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: <ENFJBri@aol.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Seeking Descendants of LAZARUS BARNETT inSWANSEA > > Hello, Louise! > > Thank you for your email. I have only one named SUSSMAN in my wife's > family > tree: Noel SUSSMAN married Della BARNETT, the daughter of Bertie BARNETT > and Lily SAFFER. (Bertie was a son of Lazarus BARNETT and Rachel

Louise Have you checked the spelling, I have SUSMAN on my family line, too late to be yours but I have an Adolph SUSMAN married to a Bertha JACOBS living in Australia. His father was Julius SUSMAN who came from Prussia to England his father and mother was Isaac and Rose SUSMAN. Wonder if they could be related? When I was researching my Adolph SUSMAN (middle name Alfred) I found he went to Victoria, Australia. There is also a Alfred Adolphus SUSMAN in Australia too of another generation but wife's name is not Bertha. Debs On Feb 6, 2008 10:31 AM, Alfred and Louise <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi! Brian, > I have picked up on the name SUSSMAN as my great grandmother Bertha GELBBERG > married an Adolph SUSSMAN in London in 1878 but his address was 3 Danes > Terrace, Lincoln. . > His father Isaac SUSSMAN was put down as a Publican . I have searched the

I am interested in the ISAACSON family, who figure in the 1891 UK Census, living in Norwich, Norfolk. Annie (Head) was born in Kurland Germany She had 7 children: Cecil Edward Isaac Israel Kate married William FRANKEL in 1909.Born Hull abt. 1880 Maria Rebecca Miriam Margolyes New York email: 75342.3217@compuserve.com

Hello, Louise! Thank you for your email. I have only one named SUSSMAN in my wife's family tree: Noel SUSSMAN married Della BARNETT, the daughter of Bertie BARNETT and Lily SAFFER. (Bertie was a son of Lazarus BARNETT and Rachel ISAACS.) Everybody lived in Swansea, South Wales. They belonged to the Goat Street Synagogue. I was told that Della and Noel had two sons, names unknown. I have no birth dates for any of these people, except that Lazarus BARNETT lived from 1874-1954. That would put Della's birth probably in the 1920's or 1930's, and presumably Noel SUSSMAN was in the same generation. Any connection? Brian In a message dated 2/6/2008 11:16:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, alfredlouise@btinternet.com writes: Hi! Brian, I have picked up on the name SUSSMAN as my great grandmother Bertha GELBBERG married an Adolph SUSSMAN in London in 1878 but his address was 3 Danes Terrace, Lincoln. . His father Isaac SUSSMAN was put down as a Publican . I have searched the 1871 Census but found nothing on them, so maybe they were not in the country then. Do youhave any connection. Best wishes, Louise (London) **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Hi! Brian, I have picked up on the name SUSSMAN as my great grandmother Bertha GELBBERG married an Adolph SUSSMAN in London in 1878 but his address was 3 Danes Terrace, Lincoln. . His father Isaac SUSSMAN was put down as a Publican . I have searched the 1871 Census but found nothing on them, so maybe they were not in the country then. Do youhave any connection. Best wishes, Louise (London) I > Hi! This is my first time posting to this list. > >> FRANKS, KONIGSWINTER, and SUSSMAN. >

Hi! This is my first time posting to this list. I would like to get in email contact with any living descendants or collateral relatives of Lazarus BARNETT (original name TYLZANSKI), who immigrated to Swansea from Suwalki, Russia (now Poland) around the turn of the last century. Other surnames that have married into the BARNETT family include SANDLER, FRANKS, KONIGSWINTER, and SUSSMAN. Lazarus BARNETT was a brother of my wife's paternal grandmother, Deborah BARNETT, who married Jacob BARNETT (originally CHAJKIELSON), her second cousin, in Swansea in 1907 (Goat Street Synagogue). If anybody on this list is connected with this family--or knows someone who is--please get in touch with me. Brian Neil Burg Fullerton, CA, USA **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)

Debbie I own the book, The Western Synagogue through Two Centuries (1761-1961), by Arthur Barnett, long-time Minister there. It was published by Vallentine-Mitchell, in London 1961. The book is very informative but does not contain a list of early marriages, births or burials. However there are many short biographies which help to breathe life into the story of the various congregations that existed during 200 years. Debbie, the book you describe was written by Dr Cecil Roth, who did an inventory of the records of the Western Synagogue in 1932. The inventory (includes minutes, registers, account books, and other valuable records) was incorporated as an appendix to Barnett's book. Unfortunately many of the records (but not all) were destroyed in the German bombing of the Alfred Place Synagogue in 1941. There is a very informative note on the Synagogue in the JCR-UK section of the JewishGen website. The Synagogue eventually merged with the Marble Arch Synagogue, which has its own web site. Regards from a wet Sydney. Terry Newman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Bozkurt" <debbieinscotland@googlemail.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Records of the Western Synagogue