Transcription of marriage certificate for Louise 1843 Marriage solemnized at: No 3 Partridge Court, Aldgate in the Parish of St Botolph Aldgate in the City of London #38 4 January 1843 Jonas Silver age 25 Bachelor - Travelor - 3 Partridge Court, Aldgate [father] Dead Kitty Jacobs age 24 Spinster Clothes Dealer - Same Place [father] Dead Married in the: house at 3 Partridge Court according to the Rites Ceremonies of the: Jewish Persuasion, by me: [and this name I cannot read] Reader of Synagogue, next name in line under is also undreadable, but the 3rd name is Abrm. [unreadable] Sect. In the presence of us: Phillip Levy - J Berchat ********************************************************* The address for Kitty is : Same Place not Orme Place or Frome place, its simply the "same place" as the groom's address, this is frequently seen on marriages - have been told that this was to save money Cheers, Su in Armidale NSW 02/2008, at 2:51 AM, Sherry with Sky wrote: > Please help Louise with Kitty JACOBS' marriage certificate. > > This is a PDF file which you have to download by clicking the link. > > http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Digital%20View/ > digitalview.htm > > Thanks > Sherry > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

[Note to Sherry: Is this the message that didn't get through? I'm confused, because I've sent in all my messages the same way, but, apparently, one got bounced back.] Are the Electoral Registers available on-line? How do I go about finding the registers for the early 1900's through 1970. I have addresses for Jacob BARNETT for 1927 and 1929*. I think I can find one for the 1960's. He died in 1970. BTW, he was commonly known as "Jack Barnett," so I will be checking under that name too. Thanks. Brian *1927: 65 Western Street, Swansea, S. Wales 1929: 18 Victoria Terrace, Swansea, S. Wales In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:30:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, _SherryELanda@sky.com_ (mailto:SherryELanda@sky.com) writes: "It's hard to know on that time frame, but what you could do, if you have any addresses for him is to check electoral registers. These are done by ward (voting district) and then by street. So, you need the exact street address (from the marriage certificate and from birth certificates for any children etc). If he appears on the ER he was eligible to vote ergo he was a British citizen." **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Thank you everyone for your help. I will know more when I send for some marraige authorisations. I will keep you posted. Best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message -----

Salomon van Abbe, artist & illustrator, was born [per Wikipedia]in Netherlands 31 July 1883, came to London at age 5, he is in 1891 census in London,was naturalised British citizen, added an accent to final e of his surname, married Hannah Woolf on 3 Aug 1914, died Feb 1955 London. I have a painting by him of my great aunt living in Westcliff, painted in the 1930s. I am interested in how he met my aunt. I imagine Abbe was Jewish, Wikipedia does not mention, does anyone know anything about this? Bryan Diamond London

Are the Electoral Registers available on-line? How do I go about finding the registers for the early 1900's through 1970. I have addresses for Jacob BARNETT for 1927 and 1929*. I think I can find one for the 1960's. He died in 1970. BTW, he was commonly known as "Jack Barnett," so I will be checking under that name too. Thanks. Brian *1927: 65 Western Street, Swansea, S. Wales 1929: 18 Victoria Terrace, Swansea, S. Wales In a message dated 2/11/2008 11:30:13 PM Pacific Standard Time, SherryELanda@sky.com writes: It's hard to know on that time frame, but what you could do, if you have any addresses for him is to check electoral registers. These are done by ward (voting district) and then by street. So, you need the exact street address (from the marriage certificate and from birth certificates for any children etc). If he appears on the ER he was eligible to vote ergo he was a British citizen. **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Please help Louise with Kitty JACOBS' marriage certificate. This is a PDF file which you have to download by clicking the link. http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Digital%20View/digitalview.htm Thanks Sherry

Thanks, Angie! It was interesting that you spelled the name with one "t"--I didn't try that, as he always used two "t's"--but, alas, it was the wrong Jacob Barnet!! ;-( Thanks anyway! Brian Fullerton, CA, USA (nice and sunny today--sorry!!) In a message dated 2/12/2008 7:39:16 AM Pacific Standard Time, aelfassi51@yahoo.com writes: I did a search on NA and the only thing I found was for Jacbo Barnet - a link to a photo of some sort http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxsl.asp?com=1&i=0&nbKey=1&stylesheet=xsl\ A2A_com.xsl&keyword=jacob%20barnet&properties=0601 follow the link. It might be nothing but .... Regards Angie Israel (cold and miserable and wet) **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

Firstly, not everyone naturalised. Secondly, if he did it will be in the National Archives, unless it got lost. Regarding the first: did he naturalise? It's hard to know on that time frame, but what you could do, if you have any addresses for him is to check electoral registers. These are done by ward (voting district) and then by street. So, you need the exact street address (from the marriage certificate and from birth certificates for any children etc). If he appears on the ER he was eligible to vote ergo he was a British citizen. NB Women didn't get the vote till 1918, in the first instance. NB Women were naturalised along with their husbands and dependent children. If he naturalised: Try alternative spellings, names etc. Also, the papers are indexed and dated by when they were returned NOT when they happened. I was told by someone at TNA that sometimes papers dropped behind the filing cabinets because they tended to stack things awaiting them being returned. He said that occasionally you'll find a paper dated X for a naturalisation that took place decades earlier, so don't be too hung up about the dates. I can't believe there is only one Jacob BARNETT naturalisation, so he could well be there somewhere, just not where you thought or when you thought. Thirdly, you could try for alien registers during WW1 (or oaths of allegiance). If he fought he would have at least sworn an oath of allegiance. The other thing you could try is for his military records if you are sure he fought. HTH Sherry On 10/02/2008, ENFJBri@aol.com <ENFJBri@aol.com> wrote: > Hello, Everyone! > > I have been trying to locate immigration and naturalization information for > my wife's grandfather, Jacob BARNETT born 22 Apr 1883 in Suwalki, Russia (now Poland) under the name Jankel > Girsz CHAJKIELSON. >

I did a search on NA and the only thing I found was for Jacbo Barnet - a link to a photo of some sort http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/documentxsl.asp?com=1&i=0&nbKey=1&stylesheet=xsl\A2A_com.xsl&keyword=jacob%20barnet&properties=0601 follow the link. It might be nothing but .... Regards Angie Israel (cold and miserable and wet) Sherry with Sky <SherryELanda@sky.com> wrote: > I have been trying to locate immigration and naturalization information for > my wife's grandfather, Jacob BARNETT born 22 Apr 1883 in Suwalki, Russia (now Poland) under the name Jankel > Girsz CHAJKIELSON. > Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Searching: RAYKH-ZELIGMAN/RICHMAN, Stakliskes, Lithuania/Leeds COHEN, Sakiai, Lithuania/Leeds MAGIDOWITZ, Jurbarkas, Lithuania/Leeds KASSIMOFF, Rezekne, Latvia/Leeds --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Have lost the dates on this thread. Don't know if this will be of interest to you Louise. I have a Jacob JACOBS, Clothier, c1777-abt.1846 on the family tree His wife was Hannah and they had children Moses, Rosey and Fanny and maybe a Priscilla (ABRAHAMS). No doubt there were other children but gone before the 1841 Census. There is a Great Synagogue marriage number GSM 075/2 6 dated 2 Feb 1803 between Jacob JACOBS - Jacob ben Meir P"M (Parnis and Manhig) and Hannah bat Aharon from Frankfurt am Oder. If you need any more information let me know. Good hunting Keira Lockyer (Australia) >From Debbie to Louise > I think its the case of when she got married the person who was writing > the > father's name just took her present name as if she was a nee. Hence Jacob > SILVER, when she remarried to Prince and then Jacob PRINCE when she > re-married to MARKS> > I assume her father was either Jacob JACOBS or she took her fathers first > name as her surname when she married. > Debbie Bozkurt >

After a very frustrating day getting my computer clogged up with trying to send photos of the play i was in yesterday, I think , at least, I have struck lucky with Kitty Jacobs, or am I too hopeful? Something might be working today!. I tried out a variety of her name on the 1841 census with Jacobs and Israel as surnames and Kitty and Catherine as first names. Suddenly I found a Kitty Israel aged 22 lving with Betsy Israel aged 7 and 10 Plough Court, St. Clements Dane Westminster. The registration area was Strand. Now Strand was the same registration area for 3 Partridge Court and the area in which she was married in 1843 to Jonah Silver , PROBABLYat the Maiden Lane Synaoggue. Could this Kitty Israel be Kitty Jacobs? Could Betsy be the Betsy Cohen that one of her relatives in 1940 , wrote to my Aunt about. There was a Bess Cohenliving at 48 Smith Street, London East who I was never able to trace at that address. Am I clutching at hairs. Has anyone any otherlines I can e xplore. Thank you all in advance, Louise

Dear Debbie, Yes I agree with you. Her first son by Jonah ( who later called himself Israel) was called Jacob. I am ging to try to get her first husbands death certificate and see what that says. I wonder who lived at 3 Partridge Court in the 1841 census. I cant find Catherine or Kate in taht year. Maybe she was a newly arrived immigrant when she married.. Now i am having trouble with ordering certificates on the net as the password is always returned.Always problems, best wishes, Louise. >> ,. >> >>

I cannot find this family after 1920. Leon married Eva FRIEND 23 Mar 1910 They had Herman (I suppose cd become Henry) Amelia David Isaac (b 1920) After that, nothing. I've searched the JC archives: Ancestry.com, the SSDI, BMD. Any ideas? Miriam Margolyes New York searching: FRIEND, FRANKLE (FRANKLIN, FRANKEL) LEWIS JENKINS

Louise I think its the case of when she got married the person who was writing the father's name just took her present name as if she was a nee. Hence Jacob Siliver, when she remarried to Prince and then Jacob Prince when she re-married to Marks. I assume her father was either Jacob Jacobs or she took her fathers first name as her surname when she married. There are a number of Jacob Jacobs or Jacob (with a description of their job or where they came from ) in the Great Synagogue records. Her father was not Jacob the Pen Cutter, he came from Holland but I will have a look through to see if I can find any likely candidates. Debbie Bozkurt On Feb 11, 2008 9:52 AM, Alfred and Louise <alfredlouise@btinternet.com> wrote: > I > But when she gave the name of her > father in her second marriage she said it was Jacob Israel and in her > third > , she said it was Jacob Prince. > > On the other hand , in her marriage to Silver, she signed herself Kitty > Jacobs, but in there second and third marriage it said the mark > of.......... If you look at the writing of the certificate, the couple's > names were written in the same style as the rest of the certificate, > suggesting that it was all written by the office. I hope to send you a > scan > later today, with best wishes, Louise > ----- > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you all, so much for the information you've passed on. I will be re-looking at the web sites for names in Hewbrew/Yiddish. regards Janis Currie

In a message dated 2/11/2008 10:22:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, N4omi@aol.com writes: My mothers sister was not connected with Lily Goldstein and Barnett Cohen to the best of my knowledge. Nomi Franks (London UK) Hello! The name Lily GOLDSTEIN figures into my wife's family, as well as the surname FRANKS. Lily GOLDSTEIN was the wife of Myer BARNETT, my wife's uncle. The FRANKSes in my wife's family tree include: Isidore "Izzy" FRANKS who married Katie SANDLER. They had a daughter, Evelyn, and a son, Selwyn. All in Swansea, S. Wales. Selwyn had children Marcus D. FRANKS and Sarah FRANKS. Evelyn had daughters Dahlia, Ilana, and Ariva. Any connection to you or anybody else on this list? Brian Neil Burg Fullerton, CA, USA **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565)

My mothers sister was not connected with Lily Goldstein and Barnett Cohen to the best of my knowledge. Nomi Franks (London UK)

The recent reference to the fascinating series of articles about Jewish life in Liverpool reminds me that Berny Goodheart's Liverpool Jewish Genealogical Service (LJGS) was (maybe) going to be revitalised, supposedly many months ago. Does anyone have any further information on this? Susanne Barton (Canada)

It is the same person as I have checked and counter checked unless Jonah had two wives with similar names. When Catherine Silver, widow, married her second husband Abraham Prince, she wasliving at the same address as her first husband gave. 3 Partridge court, Aldgate.. she was living at 3 Partridge Court, Aldgate. Her husband Abraham Prince was living at 28 Gravel Lane Aldgate and it was there that her three children's births and the death of Abraham was registered. But when she gave the name of her father in her second marriage she said it was Jacob Israel and in her third , she said it was Jacob Prince. On the other hand , in her marriage to Silver, she signed herself Kitty Jacobs, but in there second and third marriage it said the mark of.......... If you look at the writing of the certificate, the couple's names were written in the same style as the rest of the certificate, suggesting that it was all written by the office. I hope to send you a scan later today, with best wishes, Louise -----

I had the same problem with the email address - I assumed it was no longer active, as they are now using a different domain name. The webform that Sherry's pointed out does work however - I got a reply to that from a person, which was very reassuring - david.frei@bethdin.org.uk cheers Gillian Glasgow, Scotland On Feb 11, 2008 7:58 AM, Sherry with Sky <SherryELanda@sky.com> wrote: > I'd try again with the Beth Din. All Freeserve addresses in this > country are subject to failures on a regular basis. Otherwise try the > webform at http://www.theus.org.uk/lifecycle/marriage/contact_marriage_helpdesk/ > > Can't help with the Gazette. > > Sherry > > On 10/02/2008, ENFJBri@aol.com <ENFJBri@aol.com> wrote: > > I just sent an email to the address listed on the Beth Din > > webpage--info@londonbethdin.fsnet.co.uk--and it just got bounced back ("host unknown"). > > > Also, the London Gazette link is no good either, >