> My transcription of this marriage (available on B-J) reads the same. If > she hasn't already dones so, Eve might like to consider whether the > following > is a possible marriage for Jacob's father. Angela - Thanks for sending the information. It is actually lister Janis Currie who is researching this family. I just tried to help and muddled things, and am thankful others are setting things straight ! Eve Richardson

Hi, An Australian cousin of mine is enquiring about the DORMAN name. I found on 1901 census - 1525 BLOOM ANNIE W F 53Z Russia Templar Street 79 1525 DORMAN JACK ST M 25 Hawker/Smallware Russia Templar Street 79 1525 BLOOM HARRIS H M 60 Tailor Russia Templar Street 79 all with the same address Would the notation ST M after Jack Dorman's name mean Stepson Male? Also does anyone have any more DORMAN information. TIA Regards Angie Israel ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

The Ralph Lazarus mentioned who married in 1796 is my gggg grandfather - from my research, he died young, before 1809, and I know of only one child, Sarah - though there could be other children I never found. Hi wife Polly/Mary remarried Solomon Joel, and we have list members descended through this marriage. Let me know if you find a link! Thanks, David Levy ---------------------------- > Harold Lewin's transcription of such records as do exist shows the marriage you mention to be between Jacob Lazarus, son of Raphael (Yaakov b. Raphael) and Sarah Lyons daighter of Yehuda Leib (Sara b. Yehuda Leib) but no addresses are shown, and there is no other information.< My transcription of this marriage (available on B-J) reads the same. If she hasn't already dones so, Eve might like to consider whether the following is a possible marriage for Jacob's father. The dates would work GSM 031/6 1796 MOSES Polly [Perle bat Meir Jacob Bramedsham (?)] LAZARUS Ralph [Raphael Moshe DeFoe (?)]

One way to get a "copy of a marriage" is to go to your local LDS Family History Center and order the film containing Great Synagogue marriages. Then photograph or photocopy the relevant page of information. If you are near London, the Family History Center has the microfilm already there so you don't have to order it. Similarly, in the US, most of the large city FHCs probably have that film on the premises. If you need details on how to order a film and which one to order, please contact me. Jocelyn Keene drizzly Pasadena, California On Feb 21, 2008, at 12:02 AM, british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > < Try Googling the great > synagogue and sending them a query - that's how I got the > information. > > >> Hi Everyone >> Please may someone direct me to how I can get a copy of a marriage, I >> located on the Great Synagogue marriage list; between John LAZARUS >> and > Sarah >> LYONS 19/8/1829 reference: 261/38 > > I think I am geting confused by this thread: > > 1. What is a "copy of a marriage"? Thee were no marriage > certificates as > we know them today back in 1829. Harold Lewin's transcription of such > records as do exist shows the marriage you mention to be between Jacob > Lazarus, son of Raphael (Yaakov b. Raphael) and Sarah Lyons daighter > of > Yehuda Leib (Sara b. Yehuda Leib) but no addresses are shown, and > there is > no other information. > > 2. It could be difficult to send the Great Synagogue a query - it was > destroyed by enemy bombing in 1941 and has not existed since > then . . . >

> Harold Lewin's transcription of such records as do exist shows the marriage you mention to be between Jacob Lazarus, son of Raphael (Yaakov b. Raphael) and Sarah Lyons daighter of Yehuda Leib (Sara b. Yehuda Leib) but no addresses are shown, and there is no other information.< My transcription of this marriage (available on B-J) reads the same. If she hasn't already dones so, Eve might like to consider whether the following is a possible marriage for Jacob's father. The dates would work GSM 031/6 1796 MOSES Polly [Perle bat Meir Jacob Bramedsham (?)] LAZARUS Ralph [Raphael Moshe DeFoe (?)] Angela

< Try Googling the great synagogue and sending them a query - that's how I got the information. > > Hi Everyone > Please may someone direct me to how I can get a copy of a marriage, I > located on the Great Synagogue marriage list; between John LAZARUS and Sarah > LYONS 19/8/1829 reference: 261/38 I think I am geting confused by this thread: 1. What is a "copy of a marriage"? Thee were no marriage certificates as we know them today back in 1829. Harold Lewin's transcription of such records as do exist shows the marriage you mention to be between Jacob Lazarus, son of Raphael (Yaakov b. Raphael) and Sarah Lyons daighter of Yehuda Leib (Sara b. Yehuda Leib) but no addresses are shown, and there is no other information. 2. It could be difficult to send the Great Synagogue a query - it was destroyed by enemy bombing in 1941 and has not existed since then . . . Beverly Bergman Camberley UK

> 2. It could be difficult to send the Great Synagogue a query - it was > destroyed by enemy bombing in 1941 and has not existed since then . . . Oops ! What was I thinking of . . . ? Getting synagogues confused. So I take it transcriptions were done prior to 1941 ? Eve Richardson, a little slow on London synagogues

Sorry, looking again I now see the two-year-old is Yelter? Ditto (i.e. Myorywitz). Duh!! Past my bedtime!! Elly ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Elly Smith <elly99uk@googlemail.com> Yelter? Witts Dau S 2 Roumania

Alan, If the marriage was 1903 in Whitechapel, perhaps this ... 1901 census RG13-306 folio 103 pages 33-34 63 Leman Street, Whitechapel Israel Myerovitz Head M 28 Tailor Roumania Molta Myerovitz Wife M 27 Roumania [page turn] Sarah Myorywitz Dau S 4 Roumania Yelter? Witts Dau S 2 Roumania Eva Lubervitz S in L S 20 Tailoress Roumania Rachael Lubervitz Niece S 18 Tailoress Roumania But I think you will need the marriage certificate! Regards Elly On 18/02/2008, Alan Booth <alanbooth@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > hello again BJs, > Thanks to the good offices of BJ members and elsewhere now learned that > Hyman Berkovitch born 1878 Iase, Romania married Rachel Leibowitz in > Whitechapel, London July-Sep 1903. We will probably be ordering a copy > marriage cert in due course but in meantime can any eagle-eyed member spot a > wedding report or announcement in the press ? > Also any names of Rachel's parents please ? > Thanks again > Alan

Hi Janis, I think we recently had a string of mail about this so you could check the archives for the B-J list. I have the info - but it's on the hard drive of my old computer which has just gone walkabout with a computer doctor and I don't know when it will return. Try Googling the great synagogue and sending them a query - that's how I got the information. Eve ----- Message from jcurrie86@gmail.com --------- Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:33:29 +0200 From: Janis Currie <jcurrie86@gmail.com> Reply-To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Great Synagogue Marriage - LAZARUS To: BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com > Hi Everyone > Please may someone direct me to how I can get a copy of a marriage, I > located on the Great Synagogue marriage list; between John LAZARUS and Sarah > LYONS 19/8/1829 reference: 261/38 > thank you > Janis > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----- End message from jcurrie86@gmail.com -----

Dear all, I am hoping someone with far more knowledge than me can help me with a couple of questions. I have been trying to find my Great Great Grandfather and Great Great Grandmother Philip Phillips and Annie/Hannah Moss as some of you may have noticed. I can not find their marriage certificate and I can't find their burial, their names are too common to find on census pre marriage.......if it wasn't for that I was here it's as if they didn't exist! I am not totally convinced my GG Grandfather was Jewish as he was born South Wales between 1840 and 1845 (although parents could have been travelers), all the children of Philip and Annie Phillips were married in East London Synagogue. My questions are: 1. If a father is not of the Jewish faith would the offspring be 'allowed' to marry in a synagogue if their mother is Jewish, or would father have to convert? 2. Was the East London Synagogue part of the United Synagogues and therefore, there might be Hebrew marriage certificate or marriage authorization which may give me both Philip and Annie's Hebrew names and thereby their parents. Thanks for your patience with my never ending searching for my Philip's line Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides www.jacobstree.co.uk

Hi Alan, 1901 census :- Mile End Yossel Lebowitz 35 Romania Journeyman Furrier Dabbe 33 Romania Jacob 14 Romania RACHEL 11 Romania Lewis 7 Romania Annie 2 Whitechapel. Dabbe could be Debbie ? Hope this helps a bit. Carole (Preece) Hereford

Hi Louise, Did you know that the New York Times Archive is on the internet ? It might have some information about your family if they were in New York for a while. YOu can search for free. Some articles can be viewed for free and others have to be paid for. Eve Richardson in Toronto, slipping between snow and rain and back again

Hi Everyone Please may someone direct me to how I can get a copy of a marriage, I located on the Great Synagogue marriage list; between John LAZARUS and Sarah LYONS 19/8/1829 reference: 261/38 thank you Janis

hello again BJs, Thanks to the good offices of BJ members and elsewhere now learned that Hyman Berkovitch born 1878 Iase, Romania married Rachel Leibowitz in Whitechapel, London July-Sep 1903. We will probably be ordering a copy marriage cert in due course but in meantime can any eagle-eyed member spot a wedding report or announcement in the press ? Also any names of Rachel's parents please ? Thanks again Alan

Thank you Kieraa, you see you never know when a fragment of information will come into its own. Best wishes, Louise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keira Lockyer" <keira.lockyer@bigpond.com>

Louise - Just file away for future reference, a Rachel PRINCE born New York, married a Joseph Henry PHILLIPS (1852-Aft 1881) in 1876 (Dec qtr Westminster 1a 911). In 1881 they were living in Grosvenor Street with a three year old son Samuel. Know it is a quite a common name but the New York connection is interesting. In haste Regards Keira in Australia. > Subject: Catherine Prince continued with Rachel Prince./Freed >> Dear Listers, I have just discovered from Free BMD a Rachel Prince who >> married a Charles Freed(same name as the letter from Dave Freed received >> in the 1940s by my father)

Hi Debbie, Angela and I are still working through the Brompton data and are adding them to the site (www.genpals.com) as we go. A rough estimate is that we are a quarter of the way there. There are several more Isaacs to add along with a few rather worn headstones that will need some time to be able to read (if at all), the 'What's new page' should keep you up to date on any new additions. Have you read the book http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4771576.stm 'House by the Thames' by Gillian Tindall. Regards Gaby >On 17/02/2008, Debbie Bozkurt <debbieinscotland@googlemail.com> wrote: > Elizabeth died 10th September 1860, 45 Bankside Southwark. Her > son Moss ISAACS whom she was living with was a member of the Western > Synagogue and paid for it to be refurbished in 1870. Some of her > grandchildren were buried in Brompton, i.e. Charles Isaacs, 1874 as > per Gen Pals. Debbie Bozkurt Outer Hebrides (dreary old day, cold and > damp)< > > >

Good morning all BJs, And many thanks to Susan McPhedran, and Carole Preece, for their very helpful and welcome responses to my questions regarding Hyman and Rachel Berkovitch and family. Another nice piece placed in the jigsaw. Regards and thanks again. Alan Booth

Subject: Catherine Prince continued with Rachel Prince./Freed > Dear Listers, I have just discovered from Free BMD a Rachel Prince who > married a Charles Freed(same name as the letter from Dave Freed received > in the 1940s by my father) > I then found Rachel in the 1891 Census living in North Block? Aldgate > Parish with her son Henry aged 3 born in New York. > I then found Rachel in the Ellis Island Manifesto on the St. Louis > departing from Southampton April 2 1898 and with her according to the > ships Manifesto was Charles Freed 45 a Cattleman, American Citizen. > Last residence 2 Stepney Green, London . > Henry aged 10, Pearl aged 2 Abraham aged 9 and David an infant. All > American citizens returning home on ticket 22011 to 430 East 86th Street > ( but which town,/ Baltimore or New york). In one of the censuses Pearl Freidman ( note Freed) aged about 8 isliving with her grandmother Catherine Marks in London, so did they change the name perhaps.? > > Can anyone tell me if I am again barking up the wrong tree and how do I > find more about them in United States records? > I wonder if the David Freed, is Dave Freed ( address about 1940 in New > York is 3524 Third Avenue, New York City)of U.S.S Cushing who wrote on > that scrap of paper to Pearl, who now I realise might have been his > sister? Now I am off to see if any the children were born in England. I > would love to take this line down. Is anyone descended from this Freed > family , Edward Leibman who married abraham Princes daughter Evelyna and > Elias Ansell who married Leah Jacobson,my great grandfather Abraham > Prince's neice? > Best wishes, Louise