Following a recent visit this week to the Society of Genealogists I met my distant cousin Debbie ( of the Jacobs line and Stornaway fame). I also discovered new data in the Colyer Fergusson collection relating to the connection between the Abraham Cohen De Lara family and my Crawcour relatives.In the will summary of 1830 recorded by Colyer Fergusson he records Abraham Cohen de Lara of Batty St Commercial Road leaving bequests to his wife Mary and daughter Simha wife of Isaac Crawcour and her 8 children. Abraham also left bequests to his grandaughter Dinah wife of Moses BARNETT and grandaughter Maria daughter of Joseph JOSEPH; niece Jael? Coronel wife of Isaac SEBAG and nephews Moses, Jacob, and Aaron CORONEL.There was a further bequest to the Portuguese Synagogue. I hope this information maybe of relevance to some listers. Dr Phillip Kirby Norwich Norfolk Researching: CRAWCOUR/HART/JACOBS/MYERS

Phillip, I have some Jacobs-Levy connections, e.g. John Jacobs, son of Eleazer, who married Rachel Levy, daughter of Moses, in 1851. We also suspect a tie to Lewis "turnpike" Levy, though not proven. The cast of names in his will is almost identical to those on my line. Lewis had a brother David, if I recall? Do you have a family tree you could share of the Turnpike branch? Thanks, David Levy

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!! This is a godsend. Even when I don't find "my names" I find the Old Bailey records helpful in establishing what Jewish life was like in that era. And I've gotten remarkably far with finding "my names." Also, I hope this will make people more familiar with these records--any time you discover a new street name, surname, etc--run it through the search function and you will often get a picture of your ancestor's neighbors, if not the actual ancestors. Carolyn Hahn, NYC Searching for SOLOMON/S of Cable/Backchurch or Church Lane, St George in the East, Deal/Kent LEVY of Holywell/Strand, or King's Lynn (17oo's) Sherry in France wrote: > I am pleased to announce that thanks to the huge efforts of David Alexander > we are now the proud hosts of two new databases: > > SNIP--- > > Jewish names extracted from the Old Bailey Trials 1674-1799 can be found > onthe following page: > http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/dbhome2.htm > > SNIP___

Debbie would like help with some gravestone translations, please. Don't forget to reply to list, so we all know! See http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/Digital%20View/digitalview.htm Thanks Sherry

The deadline for the next B-J News (Purim 2008) is this Sunday 2nd March. This is a final reminder for anyone who wishes to submit an article etc. I have a feeling at the back of my mind that I suggested to someone (off-list) that we announce/publicise something they asked me about. I am afraid with all my mail problems I have lost/forgotten who it was and what it was-so can they contact me again. Finally, we are planning to reproduce a couple of quite long threads that we found very interesting, that have appeared on list over the last few months. I will contact individuals involved to confirm your agreement to inclusion. This is just a "heads up". Thanks Sherry

I am pleased to announce that thanks to the huge efforts of David Alexander we are now the proud hosts of two new databases: English-born Jews extracted from the Dutch Jewish website can be found at: http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/misc%20db.htm Jewish names extracted from the Old Bailey Trials 1674-1799 can be found onthe following page: http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/dbhome2.htm Enjoy! Best wishes Sherry

FYI Best Sherry Hackney Archives will be closed between 17 March and 1 April inclusive. During this period we will be moving our searchroom and staff acommodation to refurbished facilities on the ground floor of our building. We will be reopening to the public in our new searchroom at 9.30am on Wednesday 2 April. We will continue to respond to enquiries by email and post but we will not be able to answer enquiries by telephone during this period. Please bring this to the attention of anyone who may be interested in visiting us. Many thanks Libby Adams Principal Archivist Hackney Archives http://www.hackney.gov.uk/ca-archives

If you were older, <vbg> it would remind you of a Bonnie Tyler song. But thanks...to everyone who missed me. S (now back AGAIN after server failure at Sky-they said it was because of the "quake", not sure if it was true or just convenient) On 27/02/2008, jeremy frankel <jfrankel@lmi.net> wrote: > > Hmm, your comment reminds me of the Bill Murray movie "Lost in > Translation"! > > Welcome home! > >

Thanks Danielle. This is really interesting as I had no idea he was married twice. Sherry On 26/02/2008, Sanderson Family <sanderson_family@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Thanks Sherry for the death date. It was actually Janie's sister Minnie, > Jack Dorman's second wife, whose death you have.

Hmm, your comment reminds me of the Bill Murray movie "Lost in Translation"! Welcome home! jgf >If you wish to change the format of this digest please email >british-jewry-admin@rootsweb.com (put digest format in the subject >line) >When you reply please remember to make the subject line appropriate >and to snip everything but the original message body-thanks! > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: DORMAN (Sherry with Sky) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:25:22 +0000 >From: "Sherry with Sky" <SherryELanda@sky.com> >Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] DORMAN >To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: > <b4b3bd630802251025s7232db0ek7101cd1792e766dc@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > >Hi Angie, > >I am almost back ;-) > >I see others have answered giving you: >1891 census details; >clarification of 1901 census (Murray Freedman has his own code and >uses M for male instead of M for married which can be confusing). >information on his wife Janie DOVE. > >I can add a bit more. The marriage was announced in the JC (14 Sept >1906). His full name was Jacob Solomon DORMAN. he naturalised in 1904 >(JC of 6 May page 27) and he died 20 March 1954, buried UHC >Gildersome, Leeds. Janie died 2 April 1965, she's also buried in >Leeds. His father was Benjamin DORMAN. As well as sister Florry, there >was another sister Fanny, who was born about 1869 and married Julius >LIEBERMAN in 1887 in Leeds. > >HTH, > >Best, >Sherry (somewhere paying through the nose for wifi to connect and see >if anyone even noticed I was "lost in France" for over a week!) > > > >On 21/02/2008, Angie Elfassi <aelfassi51@yahoo.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> An Australian cousin of mine is enquiring about the DORMAN name. > > >------------------------------ > >To contact the BRITISH-JEWRY list administrator, send an email to >BRITISH-JEWRY-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list, send an email >to BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 111 >*********************************************

Thanks Sherry for the death date. It was actually Janie's sister Minnie, Jack Dorman's second wife, whose death you have. It didn't show up in the JC index when I searched for Dorman, so having the date enabled me to find in in the 9th April edition. Danielle Sanderson Bushey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry with Sky" <SherryELanda@sky.com> To: <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] DORMAN > > I can add a bit more. The marriage was announced in the JC (14 Sept > 1906). His full name was Jacob Solomon DORMAN. he naturalised in 1904 > (JC of 6 May page 27) and he died 20 March 1954, buried UHC > Gildersome, Leeds. Janie died 2 April 1965, she's also buried in > Leeds. His father was Benjamin DORMAN. As well as sister Florry, there > was another sister Fanny, who was born about 1869 and married Julius > LIEBERMAN in 1887 in Leeds.

Welcome back! We missed you muchly. Naomi in Melbourne <<Sherry (somewhere paying through the nose for wifi to connect and see if anyone even noticed I was "lost in France" for over a week!)>>

I don't have this, at all, Miriam. I have: Louis WINTER married Eve FRIEND on 22 Aug 1883, at Gt Synagogue Leeds. Their son, Leon WINTER married Lily COHEN in 1910 at Louis Street Synagogue, Leeds. Lily then married Abraham RAPHAEL in May 1915 at Gt Synagogue. At least that's what my database says :-0 Sherry > I cannot find this family after 1920. > > Leon married Eva FRIEND 23 Mar 1910 >

My e mails became few and fewer. I thought there was something wrong with my computer. Love Louise

Hi Angie, I am almost back ;-) I see others have answered giving you: 1891 census details; clarification of 1901 census (Murray Freedman has his own code and uses M for male instead of M for married which can be confusing). information on his wife Janie DOVE. I can add a bit more. The marriage was announced in the JC (14 Sept 1906). His full name was Jacob Solomon DORMAN. he naturalised in 1904 (JC of 6 May page 27) and he died 20 March 1954, buried UHC Gildersome, Leeds. Janie died 2 April 1965, she's also buried in Leeds. His father was Benjamin DORMAN. As well as sister Florry, there was another sister Fanny, who was born about 1869 and married Julius LIEBERMAN in 1887 in Leeds. HTH, Best, Sherry (somewhere paying through the nose for wifi to connect and see if anyone even noticed I was "lost in France" for over a week!) On 21/02/2008, Angie Elfassi <aelfassi51@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi, > > An Australian cousin of mine is enquiring about the DORMAN name.

HI, I heve several Certificates for the Nelson Family which give the residential address of 41 Chiswell St London In 1854 Or thereabouts. Qestions How do I ascertain ownershio/leaseholding for that address ? Does anybody know where on the St it was located and what it is now? Perhaps it was bonbed duing the war? or perhaps as been rebuilt as a business. Any Ideas on how to get more info apprecited. Peter Nelson Sydney

Dear Beryl, The Jewish Chronicle often published notices of forthcoming bar-mitzvahs, though these were in the main, London events. You might want to check local newspapers as well. -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

Hi Peter, You can see where Chiswell Street is on the following map: http://www.londontown.com/LondonStreets/chiswell_street_46e.html#MAP The old building of BP was on Ropemaker St and Moor Lane. I believe part of BP is still off of Ropemaker St, but closer to Moorgate (in that big square?). If I remember right, very windy! There was a Brewers on Chiswell Street - Whitbread, I think. Possible at 52 Chiswell Street. If you are interested, Chiswell Street met Beech Street at Whitecross Street, where I used to live. Sundial Court seems to be at 38-42 Chiswell Street 41 Chiswell Street seems to be part of the old Whitbread brewery. I did like going pass there, especially when they were brewing - you could really smell the hops. I used to love watching the big Shire horses pull the drays - the stable would have been opposite the actual brewery. I don't know how long the brewery was there for, but I believe a very long time. Some history of Whitbread Brewery can be found at: http://www.whitbread.co.uk/index.cfm?id=our_history Enjoy Michele Skehill Toronto, Ontario, Canada where I wish winter was over! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Nelson" <pne25074@bigpond.net.au> To: "british-jewry" <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] London Addresses > HI, > I heve several Certificates for the Nelson Family which give the > residential address of 41 Chiswell St London In 1854 Or thereabouts. > Qestions > How do I ascertain ownershio/leaseholding for that address ? > Does anybody know where on the St it was located and what it is now? > Perhaps it was bonbed duing the war? or perhaps as been rebuilt as a > business. > Any Ideas on how to get more info apprecited. > Peter Nelson > Sydney > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello ... Did you ever find out if the information was available about Mttzvah because my father and his brother - Arthur and Morris Freeman, would have been at the same place (I think) about the same time or a little earlier. Any information would be appreciated. Beryl Renton in Brisbane (nee Freeman) On 06/11/2007, at 7:28 PM, clinton.304@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: > My father would probably have had his bar mitzvah in abt Aug 1917 > when he > reached 13 in one of the Manchester schules, possibly the Great > Synagogue > on Cheetham Hill Road (as that is where his aunts were married & I > think > his father always attended) > > Anyway .... is there likely to be a record anywhere of these > events ... > ..... possibly a Beth Din, or some other place. > > Anyway advice appreciated. > > Clinton > Birmingham, West Midlands, UK > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello to all Listers I have on the 1841 census LAZARUS family living in London ;father John LAZARUS mother; Sarah LAZARUS and 6 children, 1 of which is a Mary LAZARUS age 9. On the 1851 census LAZARUS family living in St Giles, father John LAZARUS mother Sarah LAZARUS and 5 children, 1 of which wasn't on the 1841 census, Clara LAZARUS born abt 1832, but no Mary. The birth dates appear to be pretty close c1832. 1861 census I have her as Mary LAZARUS abt 1833. Is this the same person Mary and Clara? thank you Janis Currie