Thanks for that Sherry. Trouble is - I omitted to say that there is no Jewish connection. I have, however, just located some information in the 1881 London census that seems to have located her . She had re-married and became Josephine Atkinson. There should be some more info. to enable us to locate her birth in France. As for your connection problems with GebAmi - there are two possible addresses: Have you tried these? http://www.genami.org/index-en.php and http://www.genealoj.org/index.html?lg=en Hope these help. Stan. ********* At 18:04 10/03/2008, you wrote: >Stan, > >Paris birth (and marriage and death) records are at the national archives >BUT they are arranged by arrondisement, so if you don't know which >arrondisement you are talking about it makes it VERY hard. I am struggling >to connect to Genami (seem to be struggling with a few sites at the moment). >I was going to look and see if there were some BOUCHARDs in certain >arrondisements or if they were well spread. Do you have anything, at all, to >narrow the search down in any way? You could try the French SIG of Jewishgen >for further advice. > >Sherry > > >On 10/03/2008, Stan Rose <stan@stanrosefamily.com> wrote: > > > > > > I am anxious to help a good friend of mine in her efforts to trace an > > ancestor who was born in Paris in 1891. This person was Joephine > > BOUCHARD > > >Suggestions as to where to find the birth records in Paris will be > > much appreciated. > > >Our website is at >www.british-jewry.org.uk >We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > >British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Stan, Paris birth (and marriage and death) records are at the national archives BUT they are arranged by arrondisement, so if you don't know which arrondisement you are talking about it makes it VERY hard. I am struggling to connect to Genami (seem to be struggling with a few sites at the moment). I was going to look and see if there were some BOUCHARDs in certain arrondisements or if they were well spread. Do you have anything, at all, to narrow the search down in any way? You could try the French SIG of Jewishgen for further advice. Sherry On 10/03/2008, Stan Rose <stan@stanrosefamily.com> wrote: > > > I am anxious to help a good friend of mine in her efforts to trace an > ancestor who was born in Paris in 1891. This person was Joephine > BOUCHARD Suggestions as to where to find the birth records in Paris will be > much appreciated. >

Dear Peter, The Lewin book on Great Synagogue marriages gives your GGG- grandfather's names as Davis SOLOMON, not the reverse. Is there possibly a transposition error on the certificate? My husband is related to the Phillips family. Zalig (or Selig) was his GGGG-uncle. I have a lot of information about that particular family if you want to contact me. Also, I have a lot of information online at http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=jbkeene&id=I2293 (the webpage for Solomon (Zalig) Phillips). Best wishes, Jocelyn Keene > I got quite a surprise when I obtained a copy of my gg grandads > marriage certificate from1859. I already knew that he used both Saul > SOLOMONS and Solomon SOLOMONS at different times, (he is shown as > Saul on the certificate). What I wasn't prepared for was his fathers > name, it is shown as Solomon DAVIS. This was a real surprise. Both > were born in Holland and I believe it wasn't unusual for the former > Dutch citizens to change their names in England as they were unable > to do so in Holland. Does anybody think that Saul is using the > Hebrew style of naming as in Saul son of Solomons? Was this common? > I am not familiar with Jewish tradition as I am not Jewish. I still > don't know where the Saul came from as in both 1841 and 1852 census > returns he is shown as Solomon DAVIS the same as his father (he was > second son). The others in the family are Solomons wife Rebecca > DAVIS and oldest son Isaac and daughter Esther, In 1841 the children > are not at the same address as the parents and > are living with an Abraham DAVIS, posssibly an uncle. Solomon and > Rebecca are living with Rachael MYERS (60)who I think may be > Rebeccas mum. > > Saul married Catherine PHILLIPS in 1859 at the Great Synagogue. Her > father is shown as Selig PHILLIPS and the family lived at 10 Swan > Court, Aldgate. Catherine is often shown as Kitty. In 1841 the > family consists of Selig and wife Ann, sons Barnett, Nathan, > Zeadock?, and Phillips and daughters Eliza, Esther and Catherine. > They were still at Swan Court in 1851. Selig and Ann are both shown > as born in Aldgate about1800 and I believe they were part of the > older established Dutch community. > > Do any of the above names or families mean anything to any of you? > Is DAVIS a name used in Holland or was it an Anglicisation of > Davids son? DAVIS was one of the family names belonging to the Dutch > families established in Aldgate prior to 1800 as was PHILLIPS. Does > anybody have any records of when these families arrived in England? ... > Peter Solomon

Hello BJs, >From their 1903 marriage cert we have now discovered the fathers of Hyman Berkovitch and Rachel Leibowitch. They were respectively Barnett Berkowitz - deceased in 1903 but believed to have remained in Romania (Iase area) and Joseph Leibowitch a cobbler in or near Whitechapel. Questions arising are: What would have been the Hebrew first name for Barnett Berkowitz ? ... need to try and trace him in Romania. Can anyone spot in the 1901 Joseph Leibowitch, a cobbler of east end London, probably born Romania around 1860s with daughters Rachel, Annie and son Meyer ? Many thanks in advance for any new information. Alan Booth

Hi Stan I suggest that you try Genami http://www.genami.org/ (English version available too) they have been a great help to me in my French and Belgian research. Regards Gaby > Suggestions as to where to find the birth records in Paris will be > much appreciated. Stan Rose.

Dear Friends I am anxious to help a good friend of mine in her efforts to trace an ancestor who was born in Paris in 1891. This person was Joephine BOUCHARD, who later married in London, we believe, and took the surname of CLEMENCE Several of the family lived in Chiswick, London around that time, but the records of her birth would be in France. Suggestions as to where to find the birth records in Paris will be much appreciated. Stan Rose. *************

It appears that one of my great grandfather's brothers, Nathan Levy, married Louisa Levy in Birmingham 1848. I will be obtaining a copy of the civil marriage certificate. In the meantime, does anyone know of Jewish marriage records that might apply. Terry Newman Sydney, Australia

Thankyou all, Tracey's father is named on her marriage certificate as John Hackel (doesn't say deceased). She married in 1842 to Thomas Medd (son of Thomas Medd) I can't find her anywhere Tracey seems to be an unusual name for that era. Maureen

Hi Maureen, Have been trying to find her on the 1841 at Finsbury (where her birthplace Barnet is, according to the 1851), no luck. What are her parents names, and a younger sibling, preferably the youngest in the family. Cheers, Su in Armidale NSW

Personally speaking, I think getting the marriage authorisation is an excellent move! But again, sometimes (as with some in my family) a few porkie pies can be found on these (in my case they'd put that they were not related, but they were in fact first cousins, and on another, the place the bride came from does not match any other document I have for others in the same family). I found the comments about a possible Sephardic name interesting, but of course Swidler is also derived from Eastern European Ashkenazics too. Please keep us informed! Bea in London!

Tracy Medd, birthplace is: Middlesex, Barnet. Cheers, Su in Armidale NSW On 09/03/2008, at 4:35 PM, pondrill wrote: > Help, > I'm trying to decipher the birthplace of my ancestor Tracy Medd > (maiden name > Hackel) She is shown in the 1851 census HO 107 1570 page 40 - folio283 > Lambeth, St Johns Waterloo, 21 Lower Ann Place. Could any listers who > have > access to some of the paid websites look up the 1851 census for me > please > and help me work out her birthplace. (I can't find her on the 1841 > census at > all. Thankyou > Maureen

Dear Miriam, At least one of the golden rules is to obtain every scrap of evidence one can lay one's hands on (the only limiting factor being the size of one' purse). David's suggestions are also excellent and would probably have been borne out by a search of the Daitch-Mokotoff Soundex. The names David came up with are possibly closer to what you are seeking. That being the case, you may want to go back to JewishGen and see where folks with these names are form and see if it jives with anything you know about your family. Good luck, Jeremy (wondering where the lost hour went - clocks went forward today)

Hi Maureen, I had a quick look but it is almost impossible to read - perhaps others will have better luck than me - my poor old eyes can't make it out. Regards, Miriam (now in Cambridge, UK instead of Melbourne or Sydney) > Help, > I'm trying to decipher the birthplace of my ancestor Tracy Medd (maiden name > Hackel) She is shown in the 1851 census HO 107 1570 page 40 - folio283 > Lambeth, St Johns Waterloo, 21 Lower Ann Place. Could any listers who have > access to some of the paid websites look up the 1851 census for me please > and help me work out her birthplace. (I can't find her on the 1841 census at > all. Thankyou > Maureen > >

Dear Jeremy, Thanks for pointing out the fact that I need to be cautious - I think I am being very cautious and feel a total feeling of non-believing. The Certificate I have (brand new from the Registrar General) is hand-written (caution 1). She was probably new off the boat from Russia (caution 2). Neither Leah nor Abraham could write, as they both left their mark (caution 3). The certificate was corrected 24 years later for the details of Abraham (caution 4). I too, did a Google search of the name and came up with zero results. I think I've been in this game a wee bit too long to be taken in by a certificate. This is an excellent example of when to sit back and start asking as many questions as can be done about this. By the way, my next move in this to contact the London Beth Din and get a copy of the registration document for the marriage. Do you think that is a good move? > Miriam Pollak raises several interesting questions concerning her > "find" of her great grandmother's last name apparently being SFERDLIN > as recorded on the marriage certificate. Naturally she is excited but > as always a measure of caution ought to be thrown into the pot. Is > this name real? Is it possible there might have been an error. Miriam > didn't say whether the certificate was hand-written or typed. > > > Jeremy > -- >

Hi Sherry, Thank you for the response. I already have my surnames (more to come I'm sure) in the surname list and have made use of the list to write to others. I appreciate having this resource...but so far no connections made. One day??........... Luana Sherry with Sky wrote: > Hi Luana, > > Do you know we have a surnames list for this very thing? Have a look > and see who else on list is looking at these names and/or submit your > names so other people who are browsing can see you are interested in > these names. > > http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/Surnames.htm > > Look forward to receiving your submission (and anyone else's > submission or update). > > Sherry (still in Salford) > > On 05/03/2008, LS <mygen@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > >> Hi List, >> >> My husband's ancestors have been hard enough to trace and even harder to >> connect to other surnames that connect, yet I know they do. >> > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Help, I'm trying to decipher the birthplace of my ancestor Tracy Medd (maiden name Hackel) She is shown in the 1851 census HO 107 1570 page 40 - folio283 Lambeth, St Johns Waterloo, 21 Lower Ann Place. Could any listers who have access to some of the paid websites look up the 1851 census for me please and help me work out her birthplace. (I can't find her on the 1841 census at all. Thankyou Maureen

Barnet and Finsbury are two different areas. Finsbury is in the London Borough of Islington (was Middlesex) and Barnet is a town in Hertfordshire, now part of the sprawling London and is the London Borough of Barnet. So, you could search both those places? Stan. ******* Bucks. UK At 10:19 09/03/2008, you wrote: >Hi Maureen, > >Have been trying to find her on the 1841 at Finsbury (where her >birthplace Barnet is, according to the 1851), no luck. What are her >parents names, and a younger sibling, preferably the youngest in the >family. > >Cheers, > >Su in Armidale NSW > >Our website is at >www.british-jewry.org.uk >We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > >British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry I can't find her at all from this description! Sherry On 09/03/2008, pondrill <pondrill@net-tech.com.au> wrote: I'm trying to decipher the birthplace of my ancestor Tracy Medd (maiden name > Hackel) She is shown in the 1851 census HO 107 1570 page 40 - folio283 > Lambeth, St Johns Waterloo, 21 Lower Ann Place.

I think you'll find this is "simply" the translation of a patronymic, rather than a surname Saul was son of Solomon becomes Saul SOLOMONS whilst Solomon was son of David, becomes Solomon DAVIS. After a generation or two it tends to sort itself out and the families start sticking to one surname. Sherry On 09/03/2008, PETER SOLOMON <peter.solomon2@btinternet.com> wrote: > > I got quite a surprise when I obtained a copy of my gg grandads marriage > certificate from1859. I already knew that he used both Saul SOLOMONS and > Solomon SOLOMONS at different times, (he is shown as Saul on the > certificate). What I wasn't prepared for was his fathers name, it is shown > as Solomon DAVIS. This was a real surprise. Both were born in Holland and I > believe it wasn't unusual for the former Dutch citizens to change their > names in England as they were unable to do so in Holland. Does anybody think > that Saul is using the Hebrew style of naming as in Saul son of Solomons? > Was this common? I am not familiar with Jewish tradition as I am not Jewish. >