I have had difficulty tracing a Ph[o]ebe LAZARUS who, I believe, was a sister of my gr gr grandfather. According to FreeBMD, she was born in the Dec. quarter of 1841 in Plymouth, Devon. She later turns up in the 1861 census for Toronto, Canada, with members of her family and that's the last I have seen of her. The rest of the family went to the States but she doesn't appear with them there nor have I found her back in England, whence the rest of them returned. She may have got married in Canada, but doesn't appear in the list of Ontario Marriages. I think she may have died c. 1870 (thereby missing 1870/1 censuses) as her brother names a daughter of his Ethel Phoebe in 1873. What puzzles me particularly is that I can't find her in the 1851 census for Plymouth with her mother and her siblings. Can anyone else find her ? Eve Richardson (in Toronto, wondering if if we are going to have fog, rain, sun icy pellets or snow today)

I have a different on line sub to read censuses but place location is time consuming. I own 1841 pdf London census discs complete with street index. So I can look it up for you, and see if Middlesex Street is in the street index. But I dont want to take the time unless no one else is doing it for you. It makes no sense for several people to duplicate the work. If you dont get another response or answer, let me know Evelyn Wilcock (London) Genealogy site at _http://members.aol.com/ECWilcock_ (http://members.aol.com/ECWilcock)

Am having difficulty finding anything for MIDDLESEX STREET in my paid-for-sub (the one beginning with F) Could anyone give me an HO 107 ref for anywhere in this street which may help me locate a particular person who remains otherwise untraceable. Regards Angela

Thanks Mary, I found about 4 actually. Trouble is one is for Issey and I am not sure which of th two Israels I have he is...trying to work it out by working on a process of eliminating one...but it's hard! Sherry Don't know if this will help but there is a naturalisation record of Abraham Shibko in 1897 in Cardiff. No mention of anyone else.

Thanks Elly! S On 13/03/2008, Elly Smith <elly99uk@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Sherry, > > In 1901 two of the brothers Israel and Elijah are Boarders in Mile End. > RG13-325 folio 90 page 39 (SHIBLES) > > Regards > Elly > > On 13/03/2008, Sherry in France <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I could do with some help. > > > > I am looking at the SHIBKO families. > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

From the newsletter of the Toronto Family History Centre: England & Wales Certificate Ordering Service Progress of Digitisation Projects Your editor (for this week) has always been a fan of the UK birth, marriage and death certificate ordering service provided by the GRO at Southport. They produce over 2 million certificates a year and nearly all of them are mailed within one week. I know of no other jurisdiction that comes anywhere near approaching this level of consistent service. In 2004 the GRO announced that their entire, and ever expanding collection of certificates was to be digitised– the DoVe (Digitisation of Vital Events) project – which was to lead to a more efficient service for supplying certificates. Certificates would be produced direct from the digitised images rather than being copied from microfiche. Alongside this project was the MAGPIE (Multiple Access to GRO Published Events) project which was to supply new and improved indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths on-line. From 1837 onwards the birth indexes would show the maiden name of the mother, the marriage indexes the name of the spouse and the death indexes the age at death of the decedent. Thus while the DoVe project had advantages for the GRO it was the MAGPIE project that promised real benefits to the genealogical community. In August 2005 it was announced that the DoVe and MAGPIE digitisation contract had been awarded to Siemens IT Solutions with completion anticipated by the end of 2007. By July 2007 it was reported that the DoVe project was running 12 months behind schedule but nevertheless 69 million pre-1935 birth records had been received and had passed the Quality Assurance test. This included the scanned images and the data required to populate the new index. Various reports have been published indicating that further delays were to be expected with the DoVe project and while there have been rumours regarding the future of the MAGPIE project nothing seems to have been published officially. Your editor has been in touch with the GRO on this subject and has received the following from the Communications Manager dated 6 March 2008:- The digitisation of GRO Records (DoVE project ) is scheduled for completion during mid/late 2009 and GRO has begun to use DoVE data already available for certificate production from February 2008. It is intended that the DoVE data will form the basis of an on-line index which will provide a valuable new means of access to the index data and which will replace the current index available on microfiche. The publication of this index is part of the MAGPIE (Multi Access to GRO P ublic Index of Events) Project. The project is currently in a pause and review stage as GRO moves to the Identity and Passport Service (IPS) and a review of the cost, timescales and scope of the project is undertaken. The current estimate is that the digitised index will be available to the public from 2010 and as the project progresses further updates will be provided. From the reply one gets the uneasy feeling that the best that can be hoped for is a 2010 availability but there is a distinct possibility that this might not happen. Presumably the pre-1935 births data has already been paid for. Why cannot the GRO, at very little cost, go the extra mile and make a new index available showing the maiden name of the mother for the 1837-1911 period where that vital information is currently missing? So far as I am aware the GRO have not previously officially announced their intentions with regard to the MAGPIE project, one so important to researchers of UK genealogy. Can I ask our readers to pass this section of the Bulletin on to all the genealogy sites with whom they are associated so that this news receives maximum publicity.

Marg I have a Barnard LEE b. 1836 in Strand, Middlesex marrying an Isabella HOLMES c.1860 If this is any use, please contact me off list. Rosemary (in dark and wet North Yorkshire) On 13 Mar 2008, at 20:51, Margaret Cambridge wrote: > > Does anyone have a FRANKFORT/FRANKFORD/LEE connection? > Eve was the daughter of George Lawrence LEE and Julia HART born 1832 > > > Marg >> From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Rosemary A Rees 3 College Fold Rathmell Settle North Yorkshire BD24 0LQ

Hello Sherry, Don't know if this will help but there is a naturalisation record of Abraham Shibko in 1897 in Cardiff. No mention of anyone else. Mary > Hi, > > I could do with some help. > > I am looking at the SHIBKO families. I have NO personal interest. I have > looked at all the "normal" sites, JC, JCR-UK, Free BMD and UKBMD, well-known > census site etc. > > I have the following conundrum: > 16 Strand, Ystradyfodwg in 1891 census shows: > Samuel SHIBKO (widower) pawnbroker, born Podemibky, Poland (He died in 1927 > in Cardiff according to JC) > His 3 sons: Emanuel & Israel born (c1879 and c1881 respectively) Dobra, > Russia and Elijah born (1887) Hull > There is a marriage in 1895 of a Samuel to a Dora SAMUELS in Shoreditch is > this the same Samuel? > There are 2 marriages Israel (1907), Elijah (1911) both in Whitechapel > Yet, I have been unable to find any of them in the 1901 census. I have tried > all the "normal" options, and am just drawing a blank. > > Can anyone help with a) 1901 census; b) confirming if Samuel/Dora marriage > is the right Samuel; c) anything else! > > TIA (BTW I am still waiting for help with the Hebrew on my submission to > Digital View) > > Sherry > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My gr gr aunt, Eve Lee, died in 1916 in the Poplar and Stepney Sick Asylum in Bromley. According to information I received from Kate Richardson of the Royal London Hospital Archives and Museum Eve Lee had lived at 336 Camden Road, Islington and according to information in her file she was living with her cousin, Mrs. Frankfort. Does anyone have a FRANKFORT/FRANKFORD/LEE connection? Eve was the daughter of George Lawrence LEE and Julia HART born 1832 Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Sorry, forget that! Elly ---------- Forwarded message ---------- In 1901 two of the brothers Israel and Elijah are Boarders in Mile End. RG13-325 folio 90 page 39 (SHIBLES) On 13/03/2008, Sherry in France <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > I could do with some help. > > I am looking at the SHIBKO families.

Sherry, In 1901 two of the brothers Israel and Elijah are Boarders in Mile End. RG13-325 folio 90 page 39 (SHIBLES) Regards Elly On 13/03/2008, Sherry in France <sherry.landa@wanadoo.fr> wrote: > Hi, > > I could do with some help. > > I am looking at the SHIBKO families.

Hi, I could do with some help. I am looking at the SHIBKO families. I have NO personal interest. I have looked at all the "normal" sites, JC, JCR-UK, Free BMD and UKBMD, well-known census site etc. I have the following conundrum: 16 Strand, Ystradyfodwg in 1891 census shows: Samuel SHIBKO (widower) pawnbroker, born Podemibky, Poland (He died in 1927 in Cardiff according to JC) His 3 sons: Emanuel & Israel born (c1879 and c1881 respectively) Dobra, Russia and Elijah born (1887) Hull There is a marriage in 1895 of a Samuel to a Dora SAMUELS in Shoreditch is this the same Samuel? There are 2 marriages Israel (1907), Elijah (1911) both in Whitechapel Yet, I have been unable to find any of them in the 1901 census. I have tried all the "normal" options, and am just drawing a blank. Can anyone help with a) 1901 census; b) confirming if Samuel/Dora marriage is the right Samuel; c) anything else! TIA (BTW I am still waiting for help with the Hebrew on my submission to Digital View) Sherry

Hi, Was anyone evacuated from London to Kings Lynn at the beginning of WW2? My sister and I (Shirley (b.1933) and Mavis (b.1935) Morris were evacuated to Clenchwarton, Kings Lynn. Shirley went with her school, Sigdon Road, Hackney, and I was sent later when old enough. We went to Clenchwarton Primary School and remember a very kind teacher from London, Miss Goldstein, who looked after us. We have a photo taken at a school(?) picnic if anyone would like me to email it. Would love to hear memories of Kings Lynn. With best wishes, Mavis Aaron Shaffer Redbridge, Essex ___________________________________________________________ Rise to the challenge for Sport Relief with Yahoo! For Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/

Email me off-list with this Stan, because I have done some research in Paris. S On 11/03/2008, Stan Rose <stan@stanrosefamily.com> wrote: > > Thanks Sherry. I will discuss this with Diana and there may also be > some of mine to research there. > > Stan, > ******** > > At 07:53 11/03/2008, you wrote: > >The French SIG will still help. All civil records are the same procedure, > >regardless of religion. > > > >On 10/03/2008, Stan Rose <stan@stanrosefamily.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for that Sherry. Trouble is - I omitted to say that there is > > > no Jewish connection. > >Our website is at > >www.british-jewry.org.uk > >We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > > >British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Trying to find out more about the family of Paula SMILOWSKA, born Poland c1858. She married Asher HYAMS in Portsmouth in 1883 and died in West Derby registration district in 1921. I can't find her on the 1881 census so assume she came to England after then. Does anyone have any links? Jill Researching: HYAMS, SMILOWSKI/A (and spelling variations)

For information posted from another list, with permission of the original poster. NB This is FOR INFORMATION ONLY, it's outside the list remit, I am just bringing it to the attention of anyone who might be interested as your list administrator. Thanks Sherry I read with interest an item in the Weekend Australian Magazine March 8-9 2008 entitled Rajzner's List. It refers to a book originally written in Yiddish by Rafael Rajzner after the Holocaust, entitled "The Annihilation of Bialystoker Jewry". The author was one of only 200 Bailystok Jews who lived through the Concentration Camps. In it are lists of people from the town, with an original population of 100,000, who died during those terrible years. It is about to be privately published in English due to the efforts of Harry Lew a descendant of one of the families from the town, who lives in Melbourne, Victoria. Entitled "The Stories Our Parents Found Too Painful to Tell" it will be available by April. Harry Lew can be contacted at harlew@blaze.net.au. Perhaps this may be of interest to anyone who has contact with or is connected to Jewish people with Polish ancestry. This link will take you to the page where you can read the entire context. http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/index/0,,5012694,00.html I found just reading the item heart rending. Regards Eilleen

Thanks Sherry. I will discuss this with Diana and there may also be some of mine to research there. Stan, ******** At 07:53 11/03/2008, you wrote: >The French SIG will still help. All civil records are the same procedure, >regardless of religion. > >On 10/03/2008, Stan Rose <stan@stanrosefamily.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks for that Sherry. Trouble is - I omitted to say that there is > > no Jewish connection. >Our website is at >www.british-jewry.org.uk >We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > >British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The French SIG will still help. All civil records are the same procedure, regardless of religion. S On 10/03/2008, Stan Rose <stan@stanrosefamily.com> wrote: > > Thanks for that Sherry. Trouble is - I omitted to say that there is > no Jewish connection.

Ta Stan, Did as you requested, but no luck. Cheers, Su in Armidale NSW On 09/03/2008, at 11:06 PM, Stan Rose wrote: > Barnet and Finsbury are two different areas. Finsbury is in the > London Borough of Islington (was Middlesex) and Barnet is a town in > Hertfordshire, now part of the sprawling London and is the London > Borough of Barnet. So, you could search both those places? > > > Stan. > ******* > Bucks. UK

Hello Listers This question is a bit obscure but I'm hoping some of the wonderful listers here might be able to enlighten me. I am trying to obtain (a) naturalisation papers for my father from Palestine - probably from the late 1920s. I am also trying to obtain (b) a birth certificate from Palestine from 1929. I've been told that this information is held at the PRO. I've looked at the website and am not certain if this advice is correct. I'm posting a link below. Can someone look at this link and see if what I want is located at the PRO please? http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=12202&CATLN=3&Highlight=&FullDetails=True Many thanks. Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia