Hello BJs, Rather come to a stand still for the moment on enquiries into the lives of the above but have had some good successes so far. Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would gain British voting rights? Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? The answer may help me to use electoral roll records for further research. Otherwise anyone spotting Joseph Leibowitz, cobbler of Whitechapel in the 1901 and his Romanian family including Rachel Leibowitz, daughter, born 1882 - please let me know. Thanks to Duncan for sterling efforts already on this one, but looking like another case of erratic spelling of surnames by enumerators that is hiding this. Thank you regards Alan Booth

Hello Naomi, I have recently received naturalisation documents for the year 1871. I found the info to order it on the National archives UK site. There were twelve pages but it did not give much more info than I already knew. I thought it would give place of birth of all the children and wife. It did not mention the wife but did mention children under age. But it may have changed by 1920. Some pages just had a copy of a stamp, probably the stamp was on the back of one of the pages but each page cost three pound fifty. Mary What is the name of the person you are looking for? > Hello Listers > > This question is a bit obscure but I'm hoping some of the wonderful > listers here might be able to enlighten me. > > I am trying to obtain (a) naturalisation papers for my father from > Palestine - probably from the late 1920s. I am also trying to obtain > (b) a birth certificate from Palestine from 1929. > > I've been told that this information is held at the PRO. I've looked at > the website and am not certain if this advice is correct. I'm posting a > link below. Can someone look at this link and see if what I want is > located at the PRO please? > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID > =12202&CATLN=3&Highlight=&FullDetails=True > > > Many thanks. > > Naomi Barnett > Melbourne, Australia > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sherry,Jackie,Jill and Barbara, Thankyou for your very worthwhile task of publishing the B-J News. This is the stuff that keeps us up-to-date with the people and their efforts at uniting families, Our endless search, with or without successes ! Much appreciated. Brenda Habshush, Israel. . . DISCLAIMER: This mail message was scanned for malicious content by Quality Bytes Mail Security when leaving the gateway of Quality Bytes http://qb.q-bytes.com/qbms/?c=qb .

Interesting what was said about the two names for this street being used in 1841. I thought I had discovered when the name changed because on 1861 census my gg grandparents, Saul (Solomon) Solomons (born Davis) and Catherine (Kitty) nee Phillips were at 20 Petticoat Lane with daughter Rebecca. In 1862 when son Selig (later Alexander) was born they were at 20 Middlesex Street. Obviously this dual naming had gone on for a while. I was told the name changed because Victorian sensibilities were offended by a street named after ladies nether garments! Peter Solomon North Yorkshire

Thank you to those people who have responded to my query about citations. Your replies, really, are just common sense. I wish I'd known when I first started doing genealogy how I'd eventually want to have my sources cited. I'm going to have to do a lot of revising one day. Eve Richardson (enjoying the sun between winter and spring)

the standard text on genealogical citations is *Evidence! Citation & Analysis for the Family Historian (Hardcover)* by Elizabeth Shown Mills <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url?%5Fencoding=UTF8&search-type=ss&index=books&field-author=Elizabeth%20Shown%20Mills> (Author) excerpts can be read online at <http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0806315431/ref=sib_dp_pt#reader-link> saul Issroff

< Can anyone tell me what the accepted practice is for citing a source when it is from the internet ? How do you cite an image of an original document that is either in a book or on a website ? > The purpose of a citation is twofold - firstly to acknowledge someone else's work that you have used, and secondly to enable other researchers to refer to the same source. How you cite a source in something that you are submitting for publication depends on the publication's "house style" and many publish "instructions to authors" which specify how they wish references to appear. Googling < "instructions to authors" references > will produce lots of examples. If you are merely citing a source for your own records, then of course you are free to choose whatever style you like! My own practice for internet sources (which is accepted by a lot of scientific journals) is to give the URL and the date that it was accessed. For an original document online I would record eg "Marr. cert. Jean SMITH accessed on www.dodgyrecords.com 23 Jun 2001" and in a book "Marr. cert. Jean SMITH in Brown, J. You Don't Really Want to Know Who You Are. Camford Publishing Co. (2003)" unless an editor specified otherwise. The most important thing is to give enough information that you (or someone else) can find the source again later! Beverly Bergman Camberley UK

I do not cite whether an original document is accessed online. As long as you have the original location and number of the document and you've got a copy of it, you would only need the place if you wanted to go back there for some reason. I DO cite a microfilm if it's accessed that way though. Just my quirk. Jackye > Can anyone tell me what the accepted practice is for citing a source > when it is from the internet ? > How do you cite an image of an original document that is either in a > book or on a website ? > > > For an original document online I would record eg "Marr. cert. Jean SMITH > accessed on www.dodgyrecords.com 23 Jun 2001" and in a book "Marr. cert. > Jean SMITH in Brown, J. You Don't Really Want to Know Who You Are. > Camford > Publishing Co. (2003)" unless an editor specified otherwise. > > The most important thing is to give enough information that you (or > someone > else) can find the source again later! > > Beverly Bergman > Camberley UK

Hi Eve, just a thought, but could your 1851 missing Phoebe be the young lady listed in a weel known commercial ste as Shoebe Lazarus born 1842 Plymouth Devon living in St Mary Whitechapel, London? On an actual viewing, the name seems pretty obviously to start with a P not S to me ! Here are the details, 29 Tinter [?] St West Goodmans Fields Whitechapel Samuel Joyful [?] LAZARUS Head Marr 27 Optician employing 1 man Devonshire, E[xet]er Nancy LAZARUS Wife marr bn Devonshire [??] ruth Julia LAZARUS Daughter aged 3 Born Devon (same place as Nancy) Nancy LAZARUS Sister 30 Born Devon [same place as wife Nancy] PHOEBE LAZARUS Sister 9 Bn Devon, Plymouth Eliza HOONEY [sp] Serv Un 21 General Serv Bn Ireland Regards Lesley Melbourne, Australia

I am extremely proud to be able to say that I have just uploaded B-J News 13, Purim 2008. As ever thanks to the team, who have worked so hard to bring it to you. To Mike for his amazing amount of work and general organisation in editing. To Jill, Barbara & Jackye, our proof readers, who had a very tight deadline this time. To all those of you who submitted articles because without these the former mentioned would be redundant. Enjoy! http://www.british-jewry.org.uk/New%20Member%20Area/BJ%20News/B-J%20News.htm Best wishes Sherry

Thank you to all who answered my query. Odd it was still being called Petticoat Lane on the 1841 Census but Middlesex Street on marriage certs for the same year! Thanks again Angela

Dear Eve, I would always try to cite the original source rather than the fact it was digitized and placed on the internet. If you think about any census, you would cite the year and whether it was a federal/national/state census, then the enumeration district (or equivalent) and sheet or page and line number. You don't have to cite a URL. Same thing for any original printed document, a map, or a book, etc, simply city the author, title year and publisher or ISBN. As for a transcribed document, I would probably still want to cite the original document. The only one which would cause me to scratch my head a bit are the online indices that are only available that way because there never was a printed version in the first place. Jeremy -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

Hi Angela, Going on what Elly Smith just wrote, then No 37 Petticoat Lane (which is apparently Middlesex Street) has these search details: HO107 / 725 / 2 / page 8 This will take your from 37 Petticoat Lane to No 29 Cheers, Su in Armidale NSW On 14/03/2008, at 11:47 PM, Angellza@aol.com wrote: > Am having difficulty finding anything for MIDDLESEX STREET in my > paid-for-sub (the one beginning with F) > Could anyone give me an HO 107 ref for anywhere in this street which > may > help me locate a particular person who remains otherwise untraceable. > Regards > Angela

Can anyone tell me what the accepted practice is for citing a source when it is from the internet ? How do you cite an image of an original document that is either in a book or on a website ? In choosing a category of source from a selection in one's genealogy program, when would one choose to: a) select "electronic website", for example, familysearch.org for each piece of info found there and note whether census, synagogue/church record etc. b) select "census", "synagogue/church" record and then note what website you found it on ? How does one cite a transcription ? Help ! It's all got too complicated for me ! Also, does anyone else use The Master Genealogist ? Eve Richardson

Thank you to Rosemary, Jackye and Leslie for helping me out with Phoebe Lazarus and the census entry. Eve

Lesley I've had a look at the 1851 census. As far as I can see, Phoebe was born in Plymouth. All the people above her in the list were born somewhere else, because their place of birth was 'ditto' and only changes when you get to Phoebe and Plymouth. As far as I can see, the place of birth of Nancy (wife) Julia (daughter) and Nancy (sister) ends either ...outh or ...ruth. But it's not Plymouth! Rosemary (in dark and wet North Yorkshire) Researching WOOLF, MORDECAI and JEWELL >> > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Lesley, (and anyone else who wants to help solve a puzzle and has access to the 1851 census) Could you check that census entry for Phoebe Lazarus again and see if the place of birth for Nancy (Wife) could be Redruth ? Or is it Plymouth ? Or does " [??] ruth " refer to something else altogether ? As far as I know, S.J. and sister Nancy were born in Exeter and wife Nancy and Phoebe were born in Plymouth. (For one delirious moment, I thought I had a clue to the place of origin of "sister's" mother, about whom I know nothing, but who is also my ancestor.) Eve - > 29 Tinter [?] St West > Goodmans Fields > Whitechapel > > Samuel Joyful [?] LAZARUS Head Marr 27 Optician employing 1 man Devonshire, > E[xet]er > Nancy LAZARUS Wife marr bn Devonshire [??] ruth > Julia LAZARUS Daughter aged 3 Born Devon (same place as Nancy) > Nancy LAZARUS Sister 30 Born Devon [same place as wife Nancy] > PHOEBE LAZARUS Sister 9 Bn Devon, Plymouth > Eliza HOONEY [sp] Serv Un 21 General Serv Bn Ireland >

That threw me too but if you look at the word, it really looks like Plymouth next to Phoebe when you compare the letters. Maybe the person wrote it again because he/she knew he'd messed up and thought nobody would be able to read it. Jackye Sullins (in cloudy but mild Carlsbad, CA) > As far as I can see, Phoebe was born in Plymouth. All the people above > her in the list were > born somewhere else, because their place of birth was 'ditto' and only > changes when you get > to Phoebe and Plymouth. As far as I can see, the > place of birth of Nancy (wife) > Julia (daughter) and Nancy (sister) ends either ...outh or ...ruth. But > it's not Plymouth! > > Rosemary > > (in dark and wet North Yorkshire)

Angela, In the 1841 it is called Petticoat Lane. An address search on that F site should bring it up. Regards Elly On 14/03/2008, Angellza@aol.com <Angellza@aol.com> wrote: > Am having difficulty finding anything for MIDDLESEX STREET in my > paid-for-sub (the one beginning with F) > Could anyone give me an HO 107 ref for anywhere in this street which may > help me locate a particular person who remains otherwise untraceable. > Regards > Angela

I believe Phoebe LAZARUS (born 1841) is in the New York Passenger Lists on a certain commercial site, but this was, if I recall correctly, c. 1860, on her way to join the family in Toronto, and doesn't change the original problems of where she was in 1851 and after 1861. (I'm am doing things by memory - have a new(ish) computer and now have to upgrade my genealogy software and all my files. Erg.) Eve Richardson