An excellent book, largely debunking the story that Jews were over active in the Slave trade, is : Faber, Eli. Jews, Slaves and the Slave Trade. Setting the record straight. New York and London: New York University Press, 1998. Saul Issroff

Dear Saul and others who have replied re: emigration to the Americas, I wasn't especially interested in slavery, but rather in tracing 18th century English jews who went to America and visa versa. Slavery came up because it was invloved in a number of records that I found. Eli's work was very useful as were some of the wills published on the internet by the American Jewish Historical Society (from Friedman, Wills of Early Jewish Settlers in New York), for example the will of Isaac Pinheiro: "....I leave to my son Jacob, 250 when of age, and a negro boy, and a horse which he commonly rides, with a pair of pistols, holsters, saddle, and other furniture. To my son Moses, 100 when 18 years of age, and a negro boy...And whereas by a deed of gift some years past, I gave to my son Jacob and my son Abraham, 7 negroes, 3 of whom are dead and lost by the late French invasion, and the other 4 are now in my possession, my son Jacob is not to disturb my executors in the peaceful possession of them.." We were and are just like everybody else! best wishes David Alexander Puycelsi France "An excellent book, largely debunking the story that Jews were over active in the Slave trade, is : Faber, Eli. Jews, Slaves and the Slave Trade. Setting the record straight. New York and London: New York University Press, 1998." ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

I am looking to contact Estelle Rosalie Wolfers of the UK who may be on this list (or someone may know how to contact her). I am looking for more information about her submission to the Family Tree of the Jewish People (from JewishGen.org) about a British family: Marcel LA BELL, married to Rachel HELMAN, with daughter Barbara La Bell. Rachel's mother was Sarah WOLFERS, born London in 1887. Thanks, Paul SCHIMEK Boston, Massachusetts, USA paul.schimek@gmail.com

Can you help? PLEASE PUBLISH ASAP AJEX Archivist Martin Sugarman is urgently seeking information on AC1 Hyman Issac Rosenfield, RAF, died 24/2/46 and buried in Kandy, Ceylon (Sri Lanka). We are seeking any relatives. Please call Martin any evening after 7pm – 0208 986 4868, or e mail - <mailto:martin.sugarman@westking.ac.uk>martin.sugarman@westking.ac.uk. We are seeking proof he was Jewish so his headstone can have a Star of David added If you can help with any information, please contact Martin at the Association for Jewish Ex-Servicemen and Women. Thank you. Stan Rose. *************** This message has been checked for viruses and passed OK by Norton 360 See my website www.stanrosefamily.com

At last year's "Who do you think you are?" Exhibition at Olympia, the JGSGB was approached by a local authority councillor from the London Borough of Wandsworth, Rex Osborn. He wanted information on the Salvador family who were Portuguese Jews who lived in Tooting and then Twickenham in the 18th century. Beverley Bergman, myself and Martin Nicholson from the SW London JGS, were able to find a fair bit about this family, one member of whom became a prominent American in Georgia. However, he made his money from a sugar plantation, which inevitably involved slavery. Having recently come back from a conference in Liverpool - and taken the opportunity to visit the Liverpool Maritime Museum at Albert Dock (excellent for those who had ancestors who went to USA from UK) - it is clear you cannot get away from slavery in 18th century. Much of Liverpool (and Bristol) were built on its proceeds. It does not mean we should condone it, but in 18th century people viewed things differently unfortunately. It is clear wealthy Spanish and Portuguese Jews were involved in this trade. Jill Whitehead Surrey and member of SW London JGSGB Message: 2 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:33:49 -0400 From: caddack@aol.com Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] American connections To: British-Jewry-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CA57D49E35BAEF-FF8-31A1@mblk-d11.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Dear List, I have been searching for a book documenting English jews who migrated to American colonies during the eighteenth century. I have searched on the internet and much of the information I have found is for jews involved in the Slave trade, but I need more than just this. Does anyone know if anything detailed has been published in this field? David Alexander Puycelsi France

Dear Listers For those of you following the Jacobs Family Data base developments you might be interested to know that David Simpson one of our Jacobs relatives has further developed his excellent website to include further website sources,information and data on the various related families.This has meant a significant increase in the information we hold on numerous Anglo Jewish data including records of primary sources such as wills; naturalisation papers; GRO records; portraits; photos and other materials. It is not possible to list all the families and names on the BJ site but we do hold data on the following main families beginning with the principle progenitor: DAVID JACOBS ( LIETZEN); HENRY HART;BENJAMIN HART;ISRAEL MENDOZA;ABRAHAM LAZARUS; SAMUEL CRAWCOUR;LAWRANCE PHILLIPS; JOSIAH SOLOMON. These families married into Adler;Worms; Angel;Lezard;Courlander;De Lara;Levy; Goldsid;Moses amongst numerous others and our records also include data on many of these families world wide. We are also including on the Jacobs website a range of Anglo Jewish records which we hope will support other researchers. Dr Phillip Kirby Norwich Norfolk

Thanks Sherry, a very simple explanation that makes good sense. Kind regards Naomi For Leeds, Naomi, definitely not, according to Murray Freedman some years ago. It seems to be quite a modern thing to record all these "mile stones" and apparently there was no need to record any of this for religious reasons. I just think certain mohel's kept their own records

I have to concur with Sherry. A year or so ago, I contacted several MDs who also perform circumcisions and asked about records. Some kept them, some didn't. Some researchers tend to think that the procedure has some connection with synagogues, but it really is a matter between the family and the mohel. There may be a rabbi present, but one wouldn't normally expect to find a book of circumcisions amongst their records. Other than the date of the event itself, I can't see how it is useful in any other genealogical context. In closing I offer this story (perhaps apocryphal) of a mohel who was also a shochet. Apparently he was better qualified at the latter rather than the former and his work was always "recognizable." -- Jeremy G Frankel ex Edgware, London, England Berkeley, California, USA EBIN: Russia, New York, USA FRANKEL: Poland, London, England GOLDRATH/GOLD: Praszka, Poland, London, England KOENIGSBERG: Vilkaviskis, Lithuania, London, England, NYC, NY, USA LEVY (later LEADER): Kalisz, Poland, London, England PRINCZ/PRINCE: Krakow, Poland, London, England, NYC, NY, USA

Hello Listers A message on another list has prompted me to ask if such records exist for Leeds and/or Manchester, for the period from say 1870 to 1910. Any ideas?? Many thanks. Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia

Try the "American Jewish Archive" website, especially with reference to the book "First American Jewish Families" 1654-1988 by Malcolm Stern. Regards, David Liss (Hertfordshire)

For Leeds, Naomi, definitely not, according to Murray Freedman some years ago. It seems to be quite a modern thing to record all these "mile stones" and apparently there was no need to record any of this for religious reasons. I just think certain mohel's kept their own records, maybe for interest, or maybe to show what they did with their time? Sherry > A message on another list has prompted me to ask if such records exist > for Leeds and/or Manchester, for the period from say 1870 to 1910.

Dear David Thank you, will do. David Try the "American Jewish Archive" website, especially with reference to the book "First American Jewish Families" 1654-1988 by Malcolm Stern. Regards, David Liss (Hertfordshire) ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

David, You could check out http://www.ajhs.org/ , the American Jewish Historical Society . They have contact information and I think they have a mailing list - I think it's the one I am on but I can't find the address right now. If you like, I can post a query next time a message comes through from them. Eve Richardson Toronto (where the rain suggests spring might happen this year) > I have been searching for a book documenting English jews who migrated > to American colonies during the eighteenth century. I have searched on > the internet and much of the information I have found is for jews > involved in the Slave trade, but I need more than just this. > Does anyone know if anything detailed has been published in this field? >

Dear List, I have been searching for a book documenting English jews who migrated to American colonies during the eighteenth century. I have searched on the internet and much of the information I have found is for jews involved in the Slave trade, but I need more than just this. Does anyone know if anything detailed has been published in this field? David Alexander Puycelsi France ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

Sorry to be pedantic (blame the teacher in me) but it wasn't all women over the age of 30. You had to be over thirty and on the local government register (ie be a rate-payer) or be married to a man who was. In this way the government thought they were delivering the vote to safe pairs of hands - married women who owned property or who were married to men who did, and who probably had children too and so would be likely to vote cautiously - not recklessly like younger, formr munitions workers. End of history lesson! Rosemary Rees Researching WOOLF, MORDECAI and JEWELL On 18 Mar 2008, at 18:51, Jill Whitehead wrote: > In Britain the 1918 act gave the vote to men over the age of 21 and > women > over the age of 30, and the 1928 act extended the vote to women > over the age > of 21. Before 1918 only men who owned property above a certain > value could > vote. > > Jill Whitehead > > ------------------------------ >> > > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Rosemary A Rees 3 College Fold Rathmell Settle North Yorkshire BD24 0LQ

In Britain the 1918 act gave the vote to men over the age of 21 and women over the age of 30, and the 1928 act extended the vote to women over the age of 21. Before 1918 only men who owned property above a certain value could vote. Jill Whitehead -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of british-jewry-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 18 March 2008 07:02 To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 If you wish to change the format of this digest please email british-jewry-admin@rootsweb.com (put digest format in the subject line) When you reply please remember to make the subject line appropriate and to snip everything but the original message body-thanks! Today's Topics: 1. How can excellence be exceeded? (Merv & Naomi Barnett) 2. Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH (Alan Booth) 3. Re: Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH (Sherry with Sky) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:14:58 +1100 From: Merv & Naomi Barnett <barnett@netspace.net.au> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] How can excellence be exceeded? To: British Jewry <british-jewry@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <47DE44A2.3080707@netspace.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Every time the magazine comes out I give myself some time out to enjoy the offerings made available for our edification. The editorial staff have again done an excellent job - thank you so very much. It's very much appreciated (even in the Colonies). Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:03:12 -0000 From: "Alan Booth" <alanbooth@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH To: <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200803171614.m2HGEIhk012923@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello BJs, Rather come to a stand still for the moment on enquiries into the lives of the above but have had some good successes so far. Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would gain British voting rights? Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? The answer may help me to use electoral roll records for further research. Otherwise anyone spotting Joseph Leibowitz, cobbler of Whitechapel in the 1901 and his Romanian family including Rachel Leibowitz, daughter, born 1882 - please let me know. Thanks to Duncan for sterling efforts already on this one, but looking like another case of erratic spelling of surnames by enumerators that is hiding this. Thank you regards Alan Booth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:41:36 +0000 From: "Sherry with Sky" <SherryELanda@sky.com> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <b4b3bd630803171141y19baeaf4p567f8d4df5c89c8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would > gain British voting rights? > Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? You have to be a British national to vote, so if you are not, you have to naturalise. you have to be resident in UK for a few years prior to naturalisation (I THINK it's five but am not entirely certain on that). It cost a fair bit, so a lot of people didn't bother. Have a look at the National Archives site (I am pasting a link which is long and will split in email http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0& txtsearchterm=BERKOVITCH&txtfirstdate=&txtlastdate=&txtrestriction=HO&hdnsor ttype=Reference&image1.x=49&image1.y=10 ) Best Sherry ------------------------------ To contact the BRITISH-JEWRY list administrator, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 *********************************************

Naomi, Thank you very much for your prompt reply and clear explanation of the rules on voting rights. Most educational and I guess helpful to many others on the list also. Regards Alan -----Original Message----- From: british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:british-jewry-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Naomi Fellerman Sent: 18 March 2008 10:34 To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH Allan, Joseph would have had to have been naturalised to have any voting rights but also up until 1918 would also have had to have had property! The 1918 act enfranchised all men over the age of 21 (except for conscientious objectors who were banned from voting in two general elections) and women over 30. It is interesting to note that those who fought in WW1 under the age of 21 were also given the vote in the 1918 General Election. Women between the ages of 21 and 30 did not get the right to vote until 1928! Regards Naomi Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:03:12 -0000 From: "Alan Booth" <alanbooth@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH To: <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200803171614.m2HGEIhk012923@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello BJs, Rather come to a stand still for the moment on enquiries into the lives of the above but have had some good successes so far. Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would gain British voting rights? Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? The answer may help me to use electoral roll records for further research. Otherwise anyone spotting Joseph Leibowitz, cobbler of Whitechapel in the 1901 and his Romanian family including Rachel Leibowitz, daughter, born 1882 - please let me know. Thanks to Duncan for sterling efforts already on this one, but looking like another case of erratic spelling of surnames by enumerators that is hiding this. Thank you regards Alan Booth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:41:36 +0000 From: "Sherry with Sky" <SherryELanda@sky.com> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <b4b3bd630803171141y19baeaf4p567f8d4df5c89c8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would > gain British voting rights? > Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? You have to be a British national to vote, so if you are not, you have to naturalise. you have to be resident in UK for a few years prior to naturalisation (I THINK it's five but am not entirely certain on that). It cost a fair bit, so a lot of people didn't bother. Have a look at the National Archives site (I am pasting a link which is long and will split in email http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0& txtsearchterm=BERKOVITCH&txtfirstdate=&txtlastdate=&txtrestriction=HO&hdnsor ttype=Reference&image1.x=49&image1.y=10 ) Best Sherry ------------------------------ To contact the BRITISH-JEWRY list administrator, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 ********************************************* Our website is at www.british-jewry.org.uk We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Allan, Joseph would have had to have been naturalised to have any voting rights but also up until 1918 would also have had to have had property! The 1918 act enfranchised all men over the age of 21 (except for conscientious objectors who were banned from voting in two general elections) and women over 30. It is interesting to note that those who fought in WW1 under the age of 21 were also given the vote in the 1918 General Election. Women between the ages of 21 and 30 did not get the right to vote until 1928! Regards Naomi Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:03:12 -0000 From: "Alan Booth" <alanbooth@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH To: <BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200803171614.m2HGEIhk012923@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello BJs, Rather come to a stand still for the moment on enquiries into the lives of the above but have had some good successes so far. Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would gain British voting rights? Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? The answer may help me to use electoral roll records for further research. Otherwise anyone spotting Joseph Leibowitz, cobbler of Whitechapel in the 1901 and his Romanian family including Rachel Leibowitz, daughter, born 1882 - please let me know. Thanks to Duncan for sterling efforts already on this one, but looking like another case of erratic spelling of surnames by enumerators that is hiding this. Thank you regards Alan Booth ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:41:36 +0000 From: "Sherry with Sky" <SherryELanda@sky.com> Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] Hyman and Rachel (nee Leibowitz) BERKOVITCH To: british-jewry@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <b4b3bd630803171141y19baeaf4p567f8d4df5c89c8@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would > gain British voting rights? > Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? You have to be a British national to vote, so if you are not, you have to naturalise. you have to be resident in UK for a few years prior to naturalisation (I THINK it's five but am not entirely certain on that). It cost a fair bit, so a lot of people didn't bother. Have a look at the National Archives site (I am pasting a link which is long and will split in email http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0& txtsearchterm=BERKOVITCH&txtfirstdate=&txtlastdate=&txtrestriction=HO&hdnsor ttype=Reference&image1.x=49&image1.y=10 ) Best Sherry ------------------------------ To contact the BRITISH-JEWRY list administrator, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BRITISH-JEWRY mailing list, send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BRITISH-JEWRY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 137 *********************************************

Every time the magazine comes out I give myself some time out to enjoy the offerings made available for our edification. The editorial staff have again done an excellent job - thank you so very much. It's very much appreciated (even in the Colonies). Naomi Barnett Melbourne, Australia

> Could I ask when a Jewish immigrant to London in the 1900-1903 period would > gain British voting rights? > Was it on becoming employed, owning property or naturalization ? You have to be a British national to vote, so if you are not, you have to naturalise. you have to be resident in UK for a few years prior to naturalisation (I THINK it's five but am not entirely certain on that). It cost a fair bit, so a lot of people didn't bother. Have a look at the National Archives site (I am pasting a link which is long and will split in email http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/searchresults.asp?SearchInit=0&txtsearchterm=BERKOVITCH&txtfirstdate=&txtlastdate=&txtrestriction=HO&hdnsorttype=Reference&image1.x=49&image1.y=10 ) Best Sherry