Possibly, I don't have any birth (or death) records for Ralph Lazarus. I imagine that people were apprenticed into a trade young, the trial says since 14. But I think that it was a witness who had been a butcher 20 years, not Ralph. Surprisingly, Ralph does not get to answer questions himself, only other witnesses. David Levy

David, The Old Bailey record says he had been a butcher for 20 years. Perhaps he was born ca 1765 rather than ca 1775? David Puycelsi The dates match more or less, but I know my Ralph died young, before 1809. It's possible he had other children I don't know about. My Ralph Lazarus married Polly/Mary Moses in 1796 per the Great Syn. records, and his father was Moshe Defoe (from his Hebrew name). I ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

We have a Ralph Lazarus on our Cemetery Project www.genpals.com don't know if its the one you are after as I missed the begining of this thread. Regards Gaby Laws London UK On 31/03/2008, David L Levy <David.Levy@umb.edu> wrote: > > Thanks, > Yes, I know about that - most probably my guy, from the date, and the > fact that there were probably only two Ralph Lazarus's around at the > time, and only one butcher. > > The case is very interesting, turning on the kosher style of butchering, > David > > David L. Levy > Professor and Chair > Department of Management and Marketing > University of Massachusetts, Boston > 100 Morrissey Blvd., Boston, MA 02125, USA > http://www.faculty.umb.edu/david_levy/ > > Our website is at > www.british-jewry.org.uk > We update regularly. Let us know if you have ideas to offer. > > British-Jewry-admin@rootsweb.com is the address to use for help. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BRITISH-JEWRY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The dates match more or less, but I know my Ralph died young, before 1809. It's possible he had other children I don't know about. My Ralph Lazarus married Polly/Mary Moses in 1796 per the Great Syn. records, and his father was Moshe Defoe (from his Hebrew name). I don't know anything about the Nathan's Thanks, David L. Levy

Thought some of you might be interested: Some genealogical sleuthing recently turned up a line of Gold/Gould cousins in Australia that I didn't know about. One (who stayed in England) turns out to the famous Tommy Gould, who was the only Jewish serviceman to be awarded the Victoria Cross in WW2. This jogged my father's memory, who said, "of course, the war hero Tommy Gould - he was at my barmitzvah!" A couple of obits with descriptions of how he saved a submarine: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/12/07/db0701.x ml http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_20011211/ai_n14434244 cheers, David Levy

Dear David, There was also a Myer Lazarus, butcher of St. James Place. He is recorded in the Gazette for 1723 (Gazette 6171). Could this be the father or grand-father? David Puycelsi ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

Thanks, Yes, I know about that - most probably my guy, from the date, and the fact that there were probably only two Ralph Lazarus's around at the time, and only one butcher. The case is very interesting, turning on the kosher style of butchering, David David L. Levy Professor and Chair Department of Management and Marketing University of Massachusetts, Boston 100 Morrissey Blvd., Boston, MA 02125, USA http://www.faculty.umb.edu/david_levy/

De arDavid, Found this one where Ralph says he has been a butcher for 20 years (Old Bailey t17970215-34). David Alexander Puycelsi Subject: Re: [BRITISH-JEWRY] LAZARUS children under question Janis, and her father was Ralph Lazarus, a butcher. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL's new homepage has launched. Take a tour at http://info.aol.co.uk/homepage/ now.

Hi Don't know if this will be of interest but I have a lot on the HENOCHSBERG family. Let me know if you want info. Keira Lockyer in Australia. You say Sara SYMONDS JACOBS - married Maurice Julius HENOCHSBERG

> Would SKS with access to the Jewish Chronicle archives be able to look up > the below notices for me please? JC 25.5.1894 deaths .....On 18th May at 35 Queen's Rd., NW., Miss Caroline raphael, aged 87; and ... Caroline Raphael ... ... ... .. ...JUNE 8 1894 (Page:3).> A very kind lister has already sent me scans of the above. Cheers, Babs O'Connor Penrith, NSW, Australia

Janis, I have a Sarah Lazarus (ggg gmother) born abt. 1801 in London, and her father was Ralph Lazarus, a butcher. Obviously not the same immediate family, but the name repetition suggests a links (Sarah was very common, but Ralph/Raphael much less so) Ralph died young and probably did not have any other children, but I know he had at least one brother, Samuel Lazarus (Shmuel ben Moshe deFoe, from the Great Syn records - the link to Ralph is through their Hebrew names with the same father). Samuel married Elizabeth Nathan in 1798, but I have not tracked down their descendents. Thanks, David Levy

Does anyone know where the records of the Borough Synagogue were sent after its closure? I have a note from the Jewish Chronicle of 11 Nov 1960 that the last sermon (or service) was on that day. Surely they weren't thrown out? My subscription to the JC has come to an end. Dinah Harvey Sydney Australia

Dear Listers, Would SKS with access to the Jewish Chronicle archives be able to look up the below notices for me please? JC 25.5.1894 deaths .....On 18th May at 35 Queen's Rd., NW., Miss Caroline raphael, aged 87; and ... Caroline Raphael ... ... ... .. ...JUNE 8 1894 (Page:3). Many thanks for any assistance. Cheers, Babs O'Connor Penrith, NSW, Australia

I would like to contact any former WAAF who was stationed at RAF Leuchars - RAF St.Andrews, Scotland during 1943 in WW2. Please reply off-list. Thanks Stan Rose Bucks. UK ************** This message has been checked for viruses and passed OK by Norton 360 See my website www.stanrosefamily.com

Hi Lister's Please can someone advise me if the following are connected to your families. I know there are a number of people who have LAZARUS families. I've located some children from marriages of my family (from 1881 census). I'm not certain if these do belong to me or if I'm grabbing at straws. I'm trying to reduce costs, by not ordering marriage certificates if they don't belong to me. The following found on 1881 census: Morris LAZARUS wife: Flora COHEN staying at 26 Draper Street, Newington, Surrey Catherine LAZARUS b c1860 Phoeobe LAZARUS b c1862 Sarah LAZARUS b c1864 Ralph LAZARUS b c1866 Nancy LAZARUS b c1868 Bella LAZARUS b c1870 Rosea LAZARUS b c1872 Flora LAZARUS b c1873 Fanny LAZARUS b c1874 John LAZARUS b c1877 Sophia LAZARUS b c1879 I will send the next family on another posting Thank you Janis

Hi Susan Yes it was me. And yes, it was down to the usual multitude of names! Marie was known as Marie or Martha SIMONS JACOBS or SYMONDS JACOBS. She was the daughter of Saul SYMONDS (SIMONS) and Hannah (Henrietta) ELKAN. It took me ages to discover where the JACOBS part came from. With the help of Pat Simons (not sure if she is a BJ lister), I found that my gg-gf Saul was the son of Moses JACOBS and Bluma SIMONS. Some of the family used the name JACOBS, some SIMONS and some SIMONS JACOBS. To complicate matters, Saul changed his family name to SYMONDS during the 1880s. If you look at the GRO indexes for the 1840s-1880s, there are numerous entries for "SIMONS JACOBS" and spelling variations. Marie's siblings were as follows: Sara SYMONDS JACOBS - married Maurice Julius HENOCHSBERG Flora SIMONS JACOBS (SYMONDS) - my g-grandmother - married Mendel HYAMS Godfrey JACOBS (SYMONDS/SIMMONDS) Morris/Maurice SIMONS (SYMONDS) Kate SIMONS JACOBS (SYMONDS JACOBS) - married David MORRIS Elkan SIMONS (SYMONDS) - married Annie Ososki Hope that clarifies matters! Jill <I was able to explain the 6 ½ gap between marriage and the birth of their 1st child. (Conjugal rights were not part the prison system at that time). What I cannot remember is whether we discussed why JC referred to the bride’s family as Symonds. According to the GRO, her name was Marie Martha S Jacobs. Was this a 2nd marriage? Or just the usual multitudes of names sent to try us?.

My memory and my filing system have let me down. Someone on the list (Jill maybe) was interested in the following - Jewish Chronicle November 6, 1885 Daniel Jacoby son of the late Sigmund Jacoby ….at North London Synagogue….to Marie Symonds, youngest daughter of Saul Symonds, 252 Pentonville Rd. I was able to explain the 6 ½ gap between marriage and the birth of their 1st child. (Conjugal rights were not part the prison system at that time). What I cannot remember is whether we discussed why JC referred to the bride’s family as Symonds. According to the GRO, her name was Marie Martha S Jacobs. Was this a 2nd marriage? Or just the usual multitudes of names sent to try us? Regards, Susan McPhedran Bowmanville, Ont

Does anyone have information on the family of Henry Michaels who, according to Susser, was buried in Ipswich in 1815. "From the Susser East Anglia Cemetery transcripts: Henry Michaels: Here lies a man who walked in the good path, a righteous man ... all his actions were for God's Name, and his soul clave to the living God, Naphtali from ?Durkheim (E. Germany?) who died and was buried on Thurs 14 Tamuz 5575 [= the 14 Tamuz 5575 was Sat 22 July 1815!], aged 86" Information on anyone in UK prior to 1815 and coming from Durkheim Germany would be of interest. Angela

Sorry Sherry I missed it Keira From: "Sherry with Sky" <SherryELanda@sky.com> > As Admin I alerted people to this, when it came to my attention a > couple of weeks ago. > > Sherry > >

Am not sure if you are aware that a Harry Lew in Australia has had a book in Yiddish by Rafael Rajzner translated into English. It evidently gives an incredible account as to what happened to the jews in Bialystok Poland with hundreds of people named. Names I know that are mentioned include CHARNOWSKI, ELKES, ECKSTEIN, RUBINSTEIN, LEVINSON, NAJDUS, MAKOWSKI, KRAKOWSKI, JACOBSON, KAPLAN, ZABLUDOWSKY etc. I found out about it in the The Weekend Australian Magzine March 8-9 i2008 n a story by Fiona Harari. I contacted Harry Lew and he is happy for anyone interested in getting a copy to contact him direct on harlew@blaze.net.au Regards Keira Lockyer in Australia.